Because We Can
 

I find this site hilarious.

Let me get this right.

A bunch of fans who don't sound like fans get on a Bon Jovi site and constantly tear the band to shreds no matter what they release.

On top of that,They still attend the shows but then criticise the set list and Jons' voice.You call yourself fans?

Have any of you morons had a hit single or an album out or even toured extensively for that matter?BIG ****IN NO.

But you will criticise this band over and over again.If you don't like them why come here???

As for this SEB guy...who the **** are you?Are we supposed to know you?

Mate don't be so jealous that this legendary band has made great music for 30 years while you're still trying to put out a single.

By the way the new song is awesome..so stick that in your pipes and smoke it.

I tried listening to it again yesterday. I still hate it. Maybe even more. Only parts I can remember are the first parts of the melody for the verses and chorus. The song is a lot like WWBTF in that respect, if you look beyond those first lines the melodies just repeat over and over. Unless you count that second chorus that is a straight rip from WDYG. Or Some Fun. Whatever. This song is bloody awful.

I only say what I think, sorry for that.

I'll be honest, I though that Jon's voice was going to suck because of all the comments I read online but as I said after the concert and I still say, at least in Argentina, he rocked, his voice hasn't been that good in years! Really, I was more than satisfied with his performance (and of the whole band) and really it was one of the best nights of my life. Also, I followed the tour via YouTube and in Canada his voice seemed to be even better than here, like he improved (remember the HAND era, that sucked).

As I said to a friend, if he didn't sing well on the 12/12/12 concert is because they aren't touring, as soon as they hit the road Jon's voice will get better ;)

Saying that is like "hey, you can't talk bad about the government because you've never been a politician!".

To talk good as soon they release the album, I'm sure I'll like something on it.

LOL.

I'm not even trying.

If you think this is awesome, good for you! I don't think the same. To me I Believe is awesome, Hey God is awesome, even It's My Life is awesome, but in my opinion this is far from awesome.

Pretty simplistic way of communicating.

I've been here over 10 years, hate the song and I'm going nowhere, thank you very much.

There's nothing hater about liking Bon Jovi when they release material of substance.

I don't have a problem with JBJ's voice. The guy's 50. Fair enough.

Just because I'm a fan doesn't surely mean I have to blindly love every song they put out.

And just because I don't like one single, doesn't mean I don't have a right to call myself a fan.

Grow up.

I'm glad you love the site, the diversity of the fanbase and the acceptance of polarised views is exactly what makes it what it is... if you want a love-in, go to Backstage and you'll no doubt find plenty of people who just want to talk about how great everything is in the world of Jovi.

Explained this before but; if you have invested in a band; emotionally as well as financially, then their output, good or bad, is something you want to talk about. When you want to talk about it, you need people who understand. It's why I come here. Hope this gives you an insight into some of us who aren't being complimentary about the song.

I don't smoke anymore, so I can't stick your post in my pipe but I could print it out, roll it up and wipe my... no! I am being nice. Thank you for your insight.

And for the record, another two of my favourite artists, David Bowie and Nick Cave are currently promoting two of, in my opinion, their worst singles ever too.

But I still love them. Because I'm not 5.

Ok.
To be honest. People usualy need have place where they can take their frustration, negative emition and let them go.
This board is good place for things like like this.

I don't need come to board bands which I hate to proof how I have great taste of music.
I don't need. I don't like production ow BWCan but I won't do any other threats in which i will say again, again about production, about shanks ecc.

If it will be any chance to say for example to Jon something. I will say that there are many others great producers han Shanks. But I won't say on every topic about how I don't like this production.

Critising on everything show that people who do that has problem.

Fans can also criticize. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to praise each and every of their work.

I think this site gets an unfair rep for being too negative. I think what you mistake it for BobbyJovi is us micro-analysing every little thing. Its like having a Bon Jovi thread on another forum you get a general conversation, but here we literally discuss every little thing about the band. Some good, some bad. Some people more negative, some more positive, some on the wind up.

Its been said before that's it like supporting your favourite football team, and its a perfect analogy. You may abuse and criticise from the touchlines, but you still support them and want them to perform to their best. Saying you cant pass opinion if you havent had a hit single is at best childish at worst plain retarded.

We can easily pass judgements on setlists- if they are shit we will call them out on it. This isn't backstage. Equally because a set list looks shit on paper, doesn't make the show bad- again, we can only judge on what we see in a PBP and then once we see the video and then hear the fan reports can you get the real picture. But again, the criticising is because we all want them to put on the best show they can. Why be satisfied with a half arsed phoned in show when you know they can do better?

You say "But you will criticise this band over and over again.If you don't like them why come here???" I suggest the same if you can't take reasoned adult discussion both good and bad. I know there are some comments that don't fit that, but its the internet, it happens. But you have a group of very big fans where who know a hell of a lot about the band and have been to a hell of a lot of shows and will continue to do so. They have every right to say they don't like the new single. I didn't at first, still don't rate it that highly, it doesn't diminish my love for the band. Equally if some people love it, some hate it that's great. I like Work For The Working Man and hate Just Older. Different strokes for different folks.

But don't just come in and put everyone down if you don't join the discussion in the first place

This. Great post.

Well said man! I've been looking on here for years every now and again mainly for the comedic value of most of the people on here that think they know Bon Jovi and what its about. I rarely post because it seems pointless I'm not into bashing others opinions which this site seems to be more about. Most on here (not all) Don't have the first clue about songwriting, production etc. just my opinion

Please Bobby J and Wonderland, ENLIGHTEN US with your ENHANCED WISDOM :O

BWC is No.20 in the UK midweeks, so the fall is already beginning from the early days sales. Bowie not there, so it has been excluded.

I believe that charts quoted previously were iTunes? I suspect this midweek chart is compiled from more sources than that.

Correct. iTunes is solely that, this is the official updates so all downloads + physical of which iTunes is a big percentage, but not all

It hasn't even begun yet!

This is NOT an album but a single. It doesn't work the same. Ask any average person walking down the street what they think of the new Bon Jovi song. All will say, what Bon Jovi song?

It's going to take months for this thing to take off. A successful song released in January, could be the song of the summer.

My guess is by March, we'll start hearing it on radio more frequently

No, its a single. Its released this week so its charting this week in the UK. Those are the facts I'm posting. Its 20 in the midweeks will probably end up lower by Sunday. That's purely UK SINGLES CHART performance.

They may release more songs closer to the album launch, but this is how it is for Because We Can. I understand that BJ are an album band, have been for years, but that's the current state of play for the chart performance in the single in the UK. Singles do indeed hang around longer now in the download age, but this one would need the extra promotion of the back of the front-loaded fanbase sales. Only then will it get more recognition and trigger people to be interested for the album/tour

It's not always that slow. Taylor Swift's "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" climbed to the top of the Billboard's Hot 100 in less than a month, for example.

I just read this on a Bon Jovi Facebook group:

But if Shanks say that those songs are "great" I don't know what to think.

I'm still not crazy about the song. I don't hate it but it just doesn't grab me. Still, I bought the damn thing from Itunes, my loyalty to this band amazes me....

Hahaha he said the exact same thing when people complained about WWBTF's lack of solo and someone asked him if there were solos on The Circle.

They quoted it from his Twitter: https://twitter.com/johnshanks1/stat...85423038681089

I'm not saying I don't believe, I just don't think he's saying anything someone involved with the record isn't supposed to say. I hope he's right though.

It's definitely as bland and safe a statement as he could make. It's not like he could day there are no great songs or just some good ones. But he's also not going out of his way to proclaim how fantastic it is. So whatever...

Has anyone heard the song on uk radio? Doesn't look like radio 2 have added it to the playlist! I do hate it when jovi don't get a chance with some stations, regardless of opinions on the song (which is better than a lot of stuff they will play), it seems they just don't want to play the band full stop

I know, I only wanted to put the source. Sorry!

I think that I read on Twitter that someone listened on the UK radio, don't know on which one, though.

I haven't listened it on Argentina's radio.

I wasn't attacking you, my bad. My frustration was more at the Bon Jovi camp's vague answers. He had a great opportunity to get fans pumped by mentioning a specific upcoming song.

Love seeing the shit some fans are giving shanks on twitter. At least we know es reading it. It won't change anything but maybe somewhere in the back of his head...

He's getting the same flack he did for "Born to Follow" and he's dealing with it the same way so I doubt it. "Wait for the album to be impressed". Like....if you know how people are going to react, why follow the exact same path?

Good question. Maybe he does what it seems a lot of people do in these situations, he's rationalizing that only the loons and assholes would bother to publicly complain, and thus it's a fringe minority and he can ignore their criticism. Or maybe he doesn't have the guts to bring it up to Jon Bon. Or he doesn't care because he gets a nice paycheck come March.

I wish the band would go with a new producer since Shanks is now the producer with the most albums with the band. This deviates from their history.

That said.... the reaction of some to the new single is just off. It's a single that was designed for mass consumption and it does work whether you like it or not. You simply cannot hold BWC up and compare it to past work or use it to gauge the album. It's been designed to get lodged in the brain of anyone that is within earshot of it. The chorus is repetitive with the melody of the chorus done instrumentally twice. It's a commercial jingle that's been engineered for a world with a ridiculously short attention span and it has achieved that goal. It obviously does not reflect the album anymore than WWBTF reflected The Circle.

I don't understand because they aren't songs with killer riff and guitar solos, they will always be criticized for not doing this, useless.

So sometimes hate this band. They should leave that shit and come out with a winning rock song.

Foo Fighters is a great example, they make great songs for radio and stadium.

The Pretender

Walk

Rope

This time like these

Best of You

Wheels


I miss the artistic quality of a Bon Jovi song, I miss the real rock, there are many ways to sell a great album. But they have to show their true talent, and I think that has been lost.

Afterman of The Lowdown not a perfect album, but it's an honest album, and there are rock songs. With John Shanks reach this level is impossible.

Like most Jovi songs if the 10 years its already on its way out of the uk charts.
From 10 to 20 in 48 hours.

People expecting bigs songs and chorus's will be disappointed. Those days are long gone. The last 2 albums haven't had any big songs on with a big chorus

I disagree, the last two albums have had plenty of big choruses in my opinion.

I don't have nothing against "cheesy pop music", because if Jon say "Hey, this is going to be a pop record with bits of dubstep*" and it is good pop/dubstep music, maybe I'd like it. The thing is when the music itself is bad, doesn't matter the genre.

I don't know if you get me, musically, I Wanna Go by Britney Spears is the biggest bucket of crap you can find, but it's a nice pop song. This is not.

*Just imagine it: IT'S-MY-WUBWUBWUBpjjjjjjjjjjjjWIIIIIIIIIIIWAWshhhh*richie' s guitar here*DUMDUMDUMWUBUWUB-LIFE

After listening to the single quite a few (and already too many) times I'm more and more getting the impression that this song was just recorded by Jon, John Shanks and maybe Bobby.
David is nowhere to be found...the keyboard licks are that simple even I could play them (and that's saying a lot), the drums sound programmed and not like Tico at all (in the single version at around 2:52 when the song goes back to the chorus - that's in my opinion not the way Tico would be drumming in such a situation). Richie shines as much as Dave on the record - the solo could be easily from Bobby or Jon. And even the backing vocals - that's Jon backing himself up, again no sign of another band member.
Either really no one appeared for the recording of this song (for good reasons) or Shanks finally managed it to produce the shit that much out of the song that you can't recognize any band member anymore.

I don't think that Richie did not had nothing to do because:

1. He's a co-writer
2. You can clearly hear him on the "We caaan, our love can move a mountain" and on the shouts between "I am a rock not another grain of sand" and "I wanna be the one you run to when you need a shoulder".

I just think that he didn't give much of a **** while writing this and Shanks finished to destroy this.

Offtopic: I've listened it over 160 times. Stupid sexy Jon.