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Alphavictim 01-10-2013 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1100225)
I don't think that Richie did not had nothing to do because:
[LIST=1][*]He's a co-writer

Nope.

Also, holy cluster**** of a sentence. Is that a triple negation?

Captain_jovi 01-10-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1100216)
After listening to the single quite a few (and already too many) times I'm more and more getting the impression that this song was just recorded by Jon, John Shanks and maybe Bobby.
David is nowhere to be found...the keyboard licks are that simple even I could play them (and that's saying a lot), the drums sound programmed and not like Tico at all (in the single version at around 2:52 when the song goes back to the chorus - that's in my opinion not the way Tico would be drumming in such a situation). Richie shines as much as Dave on the record - the solo could be easily from Bobby or Jon. And even the backing vocals - that's Jon backing himself up, again no sign of another band member.
Either really no one appeared for the recording of this song (for good reasons) or Shanks finally managed it to produce the shit that much out of the song that you can't recognize any band member anymore.

You're making a conspiricy out of nothing. It's Richie on the track. Listen to the main riff. The solo is pure Richie's style. Dialed back and watered down, but that's definitely a Sambora solo. Keyboard wise it's as challenging as the keyboards to Have A Nice Day (almost non-existent).

bonjovi90 01-10-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1100234)
You're making a conspiricy out of nothing. It's Richie on the track. Listen to the main riff. The solo is pure Richie's style. Dialed back and watered down, but that's definitely a Sambora solo. Keyboard wise it's as challenging as the keyboards to Have A Nice Day (almost non-existent).

I just said that's my impression ;)
You're right about Richie, but it's really so watered down that it's laughable. However, I find it interesting that Shanks twittered about rock songs with guitar solos and David Bryan said in an interview there'd be lot of keyboards on this album - will the single really be the great exception? :D (ok in some way WWBTF also was the exception on TC)

Captain_jovi 01-10-2013 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1100236)
I just said that's my impression ;)
You're right about Richie, but it's really so watered down that it's laughable. However, I find it interesting that Shanks twittered about rock songs with guitar solos and David Bryan said in an interview there'd be lot of keyboards on this album - will the single really be the great exception? :D (ok in some way WWBTF also was the exception on TC)

Agreed, it's laughable. At the end of the day it's a fun pop song that makes me happy, for now, and I have the album to look forward to.

crashed 01-10-2013 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1100236)
I just said that's my impression ;)
You're right about Richie, but it's really so watered down that it's laughable. However, I find it interesting that Shanks twittered about rock songs with guitar solos and David Bryan said in an interview there'd be lot of keyboards on this album - will the single really be the great exception? :D (ok in some way WWBTF also was the exception on TC)

It could very well be because they pick the most radio friendly song as the single, not the best, as they really should.

rolo_tomachi 01-10-2013 12:57 AM

I think the real hit single will be released just before the new album out. The second single will be released before the new album, is a possibility, Aerosmith released a second single before.

crashed 01-10-2013 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1100246)
I think the real hit single will be released just before the new album out. The second single will be released before the new album, is a possibility, Aerosmith released a second single before.

This is the best shot they have at a hit single, anything else after probably won't chart anywhere at all....unless they have an Always or something up their sleeve...something that just connects with everyone, everywhere.

sambos apprentice 01-10-2013 01:35 AM

i think it's a really great wee pop song.

they're not gonna do another Slippery guys.

if you want "ROCK" come follow my band-we're in our 20's, skint and have a desire the same as jon and the gang had circa 85

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GabrielC 01-10-2013 01:54 AM

If they do a ballad as good as Aerosmith's ballad was, I will be impressed.

DryCounty 01-10-2013 02:01 AM

I'd be impressed if there even is a proper ballad on the album.

LeaJovi 01-10-2013 05:28 AM

I'd be impressed if there is a solo on this record. A proper one.

Spidey5150 01-10-2013 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1100242)
It could very well be because they pick the most radio friendly song as the single, not the best, as they really should.

They broke that trend with Make A Memory, a song Jon was in love with, and rightly so, as I think it's fantastic, but did not fit the mold of stereotypical pop single. They would of course release LH as the second single. As for BWC, i've already lost interest. I listened 2 or 3 times on Monday and 2 or 3 times yesterday, but none today, and I have no desire to go back to it.

Jayster 01-10-2013 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Spidey5150 (Post 1100288)
They broke that trend with Make A Memory, a song Jon was in love with, and rightly so, as I think it's fantastic, but did not fit the mold of stereotypical pop single. They would of course release LH as the second single. As for BWC, i've already lost interest. I listened 2 or 3 times on Monday and 2 or 3 times yesterday, but none today, and I have no desire to go back to it.

I've listened to it twice.... And I never want to hear it again.

SuperBrad 01-10-2013 08:54 AM

I think im the odd one out , ive listened to it probally 30 times and still going strong !!!!! Love it .

steel_horse75 01-10-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1100210)
I disagree, the last two albums have had plenty of big choruses in my opinion.

Big as in BTBMB, WITS, IDFY, LYHOM I could go on.

steel_horse75 01-10-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperBrad (Post 1100296)
I think im the odd one out , ive listened to it probally 30 times and still going strong !!!!! Love it .

Im the same. The solos are piss poor but then so is RS these days so I dont expect anything from him - other than that I really like it. More than when WWBTF was released.

Fastlane 01-10-2013 01:00 PM

To me, it sounds like a filler song on a mid-80's REO Speedwagon album. I'm shocked....

Robd788 01-10-2013 01:08 PM

Well the Absolute Radio breakfast show were not too complimetary about the song this morning. Infact they were taking the piss out of it and the lyric 'I dont wanna be another wave....' This is a blow as they are usually very supportive of anything Bon Jovi.

DevilsSon 01-10-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Robd788 (Post 1100316)
Well the Absolute Radio breakfast show were not too complimetary about the song this morning. Infact they were taking the piss out of it and the lyric 'I dont wanna be another wave....' This is a blow as they are usually very supportive of anything Bon Jovi.

What else would one expect? I mean, honestly, this song is so bad that there aren't enough derogatory words to describe it accurately. And I'm always amazed how people go "yeah, it sucked at first, but now it has grown on me". Of course it's 'catchy' and 'memorable' if you listen to it a zillion times. But is that the point really? That sounds to me like programming your own minds to like a song just because it's Bon Jovi. Do you do that with any other artist? Listen to one song for 30 times even if your first reaction was to turn off that stereo as soon as possible?

No idea...maybe you do...all I am saying though is that if you take a deep look at it, there is NO WAY POSSIBLE a human being who appreciates the sincerity and musicianship of old-school Bon Jovi will naturally like Because We Can. Because it is not sincere and there is no musicianship in it. It's bad and I am speaking in the most objective way possible. Now given this, the only reason for people to like this song is because of the emotion, the 'fan' connection that they have with Bon Jovi. And maybe that's normal. But hell, as soon as one has to justify how this is Bon Jovi 2013 and Jon is 50 years old, and expectations should be a lot LOWER, and everything else on the radio is even worse, and etc etc and what not...it just proves that even the people who rate the song highly, deep inside, they do know how bad Because We Can really is.

Just a ramble.

Robd788 01-10-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100320)
What else would one expect? I mean, honestly, this song is so bad that there aren't enough derogatory words to describe it accurately. And I'm always amazed how people go "yeah, it sucked at first, but now it has grown on me". Of course it's 'catchy' and 'memorable' if you listen to it a zillion times. But is that the point really? That sounds to me like programming your own minds to like a song just because it's Bon Jovi. Do you do that with any other artist? Listen to one song for 30 times even if your first reaction was to turn off that stereo as soon as possible?

No idea...maybe you do...all I am saying though is that if you take a deep look at it, there is NO WAY POSSIBLE a human being who appreciates the sincerity and musicianship of old-school Bon Jovi will naturally like Because We Can. Because it is not sincere and there is no musicianship in it. It's bad and I am speaking in the most objective way possible. Now given this, the only reason for people to like this song is because of the emotion, the 'fan' connection that they have with Bon Jovi. And maybe that's normal. But hell, as soon as one has to justify how this is Bon Jovi 2013 and Jon is 50 years old, and expectations should be a lot LOWER, and everything else on the radio is even worse, and etc etc and what not...it just proves that even the people who rate the song highly, deep inside, they do know how bad Because We Can really is.

Just a ramble.

I dont actually like the song either. I am just hoping they may 'beef' it up for the live version to make it bearable during the show.

Robd788 01-10-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100320)
What else would one expect? I mean, honestly, this song is so bad that there aren't enough derogatory words to describe it accurately. And I'm always amazed how people go "yeah, it sucked at first, but now it has grown on me". Of course it's 'catchy' and 'memorable' if you listen to it a zillion times. But is that the point really? That sounds to me like programming your own minds to like a song just because it's Bon Jovi. Do you do that with any other artist? Listen to one song for 30 times even if your first reaction was to turn off that stereo as soon as possible?

No idea...maybe you do...all I am saying though is that if you take a deep look at it, there is NO WAY POSSIBLE a human being who appreciates the sincerity and musicianship of old-school Bon Jovi will naturally like Because We Can. Because it is not sincere and there is no musicianship in it. It's bad and I am speaking in the most objective way possible. Now given this, the only reason for people to like this song is because of the emotion, the 'fan' connection that they have with Bon Jovi. And maybe that's normal. But hell, as soon as one has to justify how this is Bon Jovi 2013 and Jon is 50 years old, and expectations should be a lot LOWER, and everything else on the radio is even worse, and etc etc and what not...it just proves that even the people who rate the song highly, deep inside, they do know how bad Because We Can really is.

Just a ramble.

I got the impression that the DJ only played as it was on the playlist so in a matter of weeks the song will be dropped and never played on Absolute again

rolo_tomachi 01-10-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robd788 (Post 1100323)
I got the impression that the DJ only played as it was on the playlist so in a matter of weeks the song will be dropped and never played on Absolute again

Never thought I'd say this to a Bon Jovi song, but oh yeah, I hope that day comes and stops ringing Because We Can in the radios. I wish it wasn't to play at every show of the new tour.

Rdkopper 01-10-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100320)
there is NO WAY POSSIBLE a human being who appreciates the sincerity and musicianship of old-school Bon Jovi will naturally like Because We Can. Because it is not sincere and there is no musicianship in it.

I think the song is great! And I bet most people my age like it too because it does have that old school 80's vibe to it. I even hear Love Song by Tesla in the guitar. The guitar at 4:00

Tesla 4:00

BWC 2:30

I even hear an Extreme - Play With Me as well.

But you are all so fixated on These Days you fail to see beyond anything else.

DevilsSon 01-10-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1100351)
I think the song is great! And I bet most people my age like it too because it does have that old school 80's vibe to it. I even hear Love Song by Tesla in the guitar. The guitar at 4:00

Tesla 4:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aubjDJc07E

BWC 2:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Z3nh-ah_k

I even hear an Extreme - Play With Me as well.

But you are all so fixated on These Days you fail to see beyond anything else.

Your post made me think instantly of the Homer Car.

Anyhow, Rdkopper, this was not meant to start a conversation or a discussion. It was a ramble and I am honest here, no irony or pun intended whatsoever. It is beyond my comprehension how somebody who likes Bon Jovi for their albums 1984 to 1995 (and even a little further occasionally) can genuinely, honestly, and wholeheartedly enjoy this song without some form of auto-brain-wash or whatever you want to call it.

And I think that the one person fixated on These Days is you. I never mentioned it. What I mentioned was sincerity and musicianship. Bon Jovi always came across as genuine and sincere. My problem is not with the song being commercial, pop, radio-friendly, whatever you want to call it. You can be all that and still sound genuine and real! My problem is with the fact that it does NOT sound real. It sounds manufactured and at times the lyrics are so stupidly put together that they don't really make any sense.

"You live for the fight when that's all that you got!" vs. "I don’t wanna be another wave in the ocean / I am a rock, not just another grain of sand (that’s right)"

It's not even These Days level here that I am talking. But it's ok. Maybe you genuinely like this soppy middle-of the road pre-school summer camp optimism and that wouldn't be a surprise ( given all kinds of nonsense you have previously posted and believed in).

Yet, personally, and I repeat myself, I can't believe that someone who became a DIE HARD because of the majesty of Wanted Dead Or Alive, the unique guitar sound of 7800 degrees, the punch of Bad Name, the depth of My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms, the energy of I Believe, the feeling conveyed by Someday I'll Be Saturday Night, the speed of the Homebound Train or the heaviness of If I Was Your Mother can by ANY possible means possibly enjoy this pile of uninspiring lacklustre middle-of-the road overproduced junk that is Because We Can. And these are my 2 cents.

Living_on_my_Hair 01-10-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1100351)
I think the song is great! And I bet most people my age like it too because it does have that old school 80's vibe to it. I even hear Love Song by Tesla in the guitar. The guitar at 4:00

Tesla 4:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aubjDJc07E

BWC 2:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Z3nh-ah_k

I even hear an Extreme - Play With Me as well.

80's vibe you say? Tesla and Extreme? Or are you just trolling? Not sure if serious
http://image.legios.org/var/albums/r...g?m=1352641802

crashed 01-10-2013 06:06 PM

I certainly don't hear any Tesla or Extreme or anything remotely like 80's rock in it.

In fact, I can't relate it to anything at all - being that I have no idea who Fun are that a lot of people are saying it sounds like (and to be fair, I have no interest in knowing either.)

DevilSon I haven't listened to it repeatedly because I'm trying to justify liking it - if I did that I'd have played Aftermath Of The Lowdown a lot more than the approximate two and a half times I've listened to the full album. And I said myself for the first 30 seconds to a minute of Because We Can my reaction was pure confusion mixed possibly with some horror...but then the melody caught me and I enjoyed it. It's no Keep The Faith, Stick To Your Guns, Blood On Blood or Love's The Only Rule. I'm not even sure it's a One Wild Night or Captain Crash. Those songs I'd all rate somewhere between eight and whatever I'm allowed to go up to after ten for something like KTF.

It is what it is. Part of me's even annoyed at myself for liking it, but I can't help it. So somewhere in that poppy, happy, overproduced shine there must be something resembling a tune.

Captain_jovi 01-10-2013 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1100365)
And I said myself for the first 30 seconds to a minute of Because We Can my reaction was pure confusion mixed possibly with some horror...but then the melody caught me and I enjoyed it.

It is what it is. Part of me's even annoyed at myself for liking it, but I can't help it. So somewhere in that poppy, happy, overproduced shine there must be something resembling a tune.

Spot on with me. I haven't given much of an opinion of the song simply because both sides are being total asses at times. For as much as the people who hate it are getting up in arms being told they have to like it, the people who just genuinely like it are getting talked down to for liking a fun song. Both sides are just going nuts over 4 minutes of sugar.

ticos_stick 01-10-2013 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1100351)

But you are all so fixated on These Days you fail to see beyond anything else.

You're a one trick pony, and the trick isn't even very good.

Panda 01-10-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100354)
Your post made me think instantly of the Homer Car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPuYGPcvD4

Anyhow, Rdkopper, this was not meant to start a conversation or a discussion. It was a ramble and I am honest here, no irony or pun intended whatsoever. It is beyond my comprehension how somebody who likes Bon Jovi for their albums 1984 to 1995 (and even a little further occasionally) can genuinely, honestly, and wholeheartedly enjoy this song without some form of auto-brain-wash or whatever you want to call it.

And I think that the one person fixated on These Days is you. I never mentioned it. What I mentioned was sincerity and musicianship. Bon Jovi always came across as genuine and sincere. My problem is not with the song being commercial, pop, radio-friendly, whatever you want to call it. You can be all that and still sound genuine and real! My problem is with the fact that it does NOT sound real. It sounds manufactured and at times the lyrics are so stupidly put together that they don't really make any sense.

"You live for the fight when that's all that you got!" vs. "I don’t wanna be another wave in the ocean / I am a rock, not just another grain of sand (that’s right)"

It's not even These Days level here that I am talking. But it's ok. Maybe you genuinely like this soppy middle-of the road pre-school summer camp optimism and that wouldn't be a surprise ( given all kinds of nonsense you have previously posted and believed in).

Yet, personally, and I repeat myself, I can't believe that someone who became a DIE HARD because of the majesty of Wanted Dead Or Alive, the unique guitar sound of 7800 degrees, the punch of Bad Name, the depth of My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms, the energy of I Believe, the feeling conveyed by Someday I'll Be Saturday Night, the speed of the Homebound Train or the heaviness of If I Was Your Mother can by ANY possible means possibly enjoy this pile of uninspiring lacklustre middle-of-the road overproduced junk that is Because We Can. And these are my 2 cents.

yep. this is my thoughts exactly. but apparently I'm a follower. as RDidiot would say.

SadieLady 01-10-2013 08:36 PM

I liked it, I bought it. I'm not comparing it to any other song either from Bon Jovi or from other musicians. I even like the carnival vibe of the solo and feel it fits the song, I don't need a cranked out extended guitar solo. I think it will be great live--this is an arena song which is what Jon writes for. My only "negative" thought is that it should have one more verse but then again there have been other Bon Jovi songs that have had way too many choruses in my opinion. I would not say that I am a die hard but I am an avid fan.

JoviForever 01-10-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1100365)
I certainly don't hear any Tesla or Extreme or anything remotely like 80's rock in it.

In fact, I can't relate it to anything at all - being that I have no idea who Fun are that a lot of people are saying it sounds like (and to be fair, I have no interest in knowing either.)

DevilSon I haven't listened to it repeatedly because I'm trying to justify liking it - if I did that I'd have played Aftermath Of The Lowdown a lot more than the approximate two and a half times I've listened to the full album. And I said myself for the first 30 seconds to a minute of Because We Can my reaction was pure confusion mixed possibly with some horror...but then the melody caught me and I enjoyed it. It's no Keep The Faith, Stick To Your Guns, Blood On Blood or Love's The Only Rule. I'm not even sure it's a One Wild Night or Captain Crash. Those songs I'd all rate somewhere between eight and whatever I'm allowed to go up to after ten for something like KTF.

It is what it is. Part of me's even annoyed at myself for liking it, but I can't help it. So somewhere in that poppy, happy, overproduced shine there must be something resembling a tune.

If you saw the trailer for The Apprentice last year which was played to death, the song in the background was by Fun. It's a pop song basically.

danfan 01-10-2013 10:43 PM

OK, I'll say it. Still could use more guitar, but I'm loving the lyrics, drums and Jon's voice on the tune. Took me a few listens.

Johny 01-11-2013 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1100388)
OK, I'll say it. Still could use more guitar, but I'm loving the lyrics, drums and Jon's voice on the tune. Took me a few listens.

The lyrics? I kinda expected something kinda bigger in thought.. I love the title, I think it would work better as an album title than What About Now. I was surprised that it is a love song actually. Or it should look like a love song and it has some notions of deeper meaning. It's written in the theme of LOAP and BTBMB but not in their league. I translate BJ songs to my language and this one wasn't that much entertaining. The "because we can" line seems not natural as the last line of the chorus, it's in a different person etc.

Can you give me your lyrics explanation? I love talking about songs and what they mean because I love looking for and finding best expressions and way to translate it to my language.

danfan 01-11-2013 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1100405)
The lyrics? I kinda expected something kinda bigger in thought.. I love the title, I think it would work better as an album title than What About Now. I was surprised that it is a love song actually. Or it should look like a love song and it has some notions of deeper meaning. It's written in the theme of LOAP and BTBMB but not in their league. I translate BJ songs to my language and this one wasn't that much entertaining. The "because we can" line seems not natural as the last line of the chorus, it's in a different person etc.

Can you give me your lyrics explanation? I love talking about songs and what they mean because I love looking for and finding best expressions and way to translate it to my language.

I don't know - I guess it's a Jovi thing. The whole staring out the window, being sick of living in black and white, wishing for "technicolor". It's cheesy, but in that classic Bon Jovi fashion. A weird thing (for me anyways), is I love Jon's voice at certain points in the song when it's backing vocals.

nickolai 01-11-2013 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100354)
Your post made me think instantly of the Homer Car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPuYGPcvD4

Anyhow, Rdkopper, this was not meant to start a conversation or a discussion. It was a ramble and I am honest here, no irony or pun intended whatsoever. It is beyond my comprehension how somebody who likes Bon Jovi for their albums 1984 to 1995 (and even a little further occasionally) can genuinely, honestly, and wholeheartedly enjoy this song without some form of auto-brain-wash or whatever you want to call it.

And I think that the one person fixated on These Days is you. I never mentioned it. What I mentioned was sincerity and musicianship. Bon Jovi always came across as genuine and sincere. My problem is not with the song being commercial, pop, radio-friendly, whatever you want to call it. You can be all that and still sound genuine and real! My problem is with the fact that it does NOT sound real. It sounds manufactured and at times the lyrics are so stupidly put together that they don't really make any sense.

"You live for the fight when that's all that you got!" vs. "I don’t wanna be another wave in the ocean / I am a rock, not just another grain of sand (that’s right)"

It's not even These Days level here that I am talking. But it's ok. Maybe you genuinely like this soppy middle-of the road pre-school summer camp optimism and that wouldn't be a surprise ( given all kinds of nonsense you have previously posted and believed in).

Yet, personally, and I repeat myself, I can't believe that someone who became a DIE HARD because of the majesty of Wanted Dead Or Alive, the unique guitar sound of 7800 degrees, the punch of Bad Name, the depth of My Guitar Lies Bleeding in My Arms, the energy of I Believe, the feeling conveyed by Someday I'll Be Saturday Night, the speed of the Homebound Train or the heaviness of If I Was Your Mother can by ANY possible means possibly enjoy this pile of uninspiring lacklustre middle-of-the road overproduced junk that is Because We Can. And these are my 2 cents.

Yeah that's right. Lets have Bon Jovi sounding all 80s & 90s again. Lets turn them into a nostalgia band.

Because this would be the beginning of a worse demise for the band than releasing something a bit current sounding that's a bit fun and catchy. And what the hell are you talking about referencing a die hard in the same light, as glorifying 7800 Degrees. The album is by FAR the worst the band has ever released. That's why they don't play anything off that album and Jon has admitted this on numerous occasions.

I just think you are a total arrogant asshole for this post and you've made yourself look like one of those idiotic trolls on here & I had more respect for you than that. Everyone is a Bon Jovi fan for their own reason, everyone gets something different out of the back catalogue for their own personal reason.

You don't like the song - I get it. But don't chastise the people that do - and accuse them of (in so many words) not being true/real Bon Jovi fans.

Beaky 01-11-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nickolai (Post 1100433)
Yeah that's right. Lets have Bon Jovi sounding all 80s & 90s again. Lets turn them into a nostalgia band.

Because this would be the beginning of a worse demise for the band than releasing something a bit current sounding that's a bit fun and catchy. And what the hell are you talking about referencing a die hard in the same light, as glorifying 7800 Degrees. The album is by FAR the worst the band has ever released. That's why they don't play anything off that album and Jon has admitted this on numerous occasions.

I just think you are a total arrogant asshole for this post and you've made yourself look like one of those idiotic trolls on here & I had more respect for you than that. Everyone is a Bon Jovi fan for their own reason, everyone gets something different out of the back catalogue for their own personal reason.

You don't like the song - I get it. But don't chastise the people that do - and accuse them of (in so many words) not being true/real Bon Jovi fans.

I do love how you call him out on asking for Bon Jovi to sound like Bon Jovi... no one really wants them to re-make Slippery (okay, maybe some do) but let's stop pretending they are not chasing fads... they are. They're just not chasing the one's they helped create anymore.

This next comment is a general one...

I have seen a lot of people calling this 'classic Jovi' - is it really? This is as much an example of 'recent Jovi' as I have ever heard.

The usual 'pick yourself up, look in the mirror, we can do it!' lyric, over weak, plinky guitar work and shiny, bright, frankly shocking production values. Before anyone says Prayer had a similar lyrical theme, please... totally different league of writing. A Motown bassline, rolling out a talkbox for the first time since the 70s and a whopping double-chorus... these songs are poles apart.

One of them IS classic Jovi... it's not the one with the lyric about being a fart in a lift, or whatever it is.

But then I freely admit, this is just my opinion and my taste. If you love it, power to ya...

ezearis 01-11-2013 02:12 PM

I don't know about you guys, but everytime I listen to this one I like it more.

DevilsSon 01-11-2013 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickolai (Post 1100433)
Yeah that's right. Lets have Bon Jovi sounding all 80s & 90s again. Lets turn them into a nostalgia band.

Because this would be the beginning of a worse demise for the band than releasing something a bit current sounding that's a bit fun and catchy. And what the hell are you talking about referencing a die hard in the same light, as glorifying 7800 Degrees. The album is by FAR the worst the band has ever released. That's why they don't play anything off that album and Jon has admitted this on numerous occasions.

I just think you are a total arrogant asshole for this post and you've made yourself look like one of those idiotic trolls on here & I had more respect for you than that. Everyone is a Bon Jovi fan for their own reason, everyone gets something different out of the back catalogue for their own personal reason.

You don't like the song - I get it. But don't chastise the people that do - and accuse them of (in so many words) not being true/real Bon Jovi fans.

nickolai. First of all, let me get all the non-important stuff out of the way.

1. Yes, I am an arrogant asshole!
2. No, I don't care even the slightest if you lost all respect for me (whatever that may mean)
3. I am well beyond the 'groupie' age of 16.5 when I may have thought that accusing someone of not being a 'real' or 'true' fan meant anything at all
4. 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit might not be the best of Bon Jovi records, yet the guitar work on it is the most complex and ambitious Richie has recorded, song in song out. The reason I enumerated those songs/ albums was to highlight everything that made Bon Jovi stand out and everything that is lacking in this particular song! I was not even asking for all those elements. Just one would have been enough...but...no!

Having clarified this, let's focus on the gist of it!

I don't want Bon Jovi to be "sounding all 80s & 90s again" in the sense you phrase it. I don't want them to re-release Slippery, or Jersey or Faith or These Days. They should simply sound like themselves. Great bands transcend decades and fashion, and make music that is first and foremost their own music, maintaining a certain level of quality. I admit, there aren't that many who are still relevant but I can start enumerating a bunch.

Extremely successful ones: Bruce Springsteen. AC/DC
Very successful ones: Pearl Jam. Iron Maiden
Moderately successful ones: Alice Cooper. The Scorpions

These are NOT nostalgia acts. Go to any of their concerts, listen to any of their recent records. NONE sound like it's 1985 - yet they all make honest genuine music that represents them as musicians in the 2010s. Do they get radio airplay? Some do, yes. Do they top the charts? No, they don't. Do they care about those aspects primarily? I don't know - but certainly, it is NOT mass appeal that they aim at when they release these records. Yet they remain extremely successful. Again, knowing the way you think, you will say: "if Bon Jovi sounded like Bruce Springsteen, they would be accused of blah blah blah!". And no, I am not saying they should sound like Springsteen either.

All I am saying is that Because We Can is a manufactured song that sounds like it has come from a song-factory where they mass-produce songs that make no sense, yet are consumed, because that's 'what works' today.
It sounds as if a bunch of untalented musicians came together and recorded some sound in a gutter, copied lyrics from a Scientology for beginners hymn book, recorded a guitar solo using one finger only on a piano keyboard, while the singer was not quite sure whether he was drowning or whether he should have used nose drops to breath better. When the 'product' was finished, they stamped BON JOVI on it and put it on itunes. It's like writing Ferrari on a Toyota (without insulting Toyota who make great cars).

And I was neither trying to insult anyone or act condescendingly. I do apologise if it did though.

Johny 01-11-2013 05:59 PM

I've read first BWC review here in the Czech Republic. The attention is higher because of the concert in June. They're making fun of Bon Jovi. They said that they wouldn't be surprised if selling the tickets to the show stopped because of how shitty is the single with uninspired and embarrassing lyrics and total po sound. They also mention that Bon Jovi were once a rock group but it is gone by now.

bonjovi90 01-11-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100479)
nickolai. First of all, let me get all the non-important stuff out of the way.

1. Yes, I am an arrogant asshole!
2. No, I don't care even the slightest if you lost all respect for me (whatever that may mean)
3. I am well beyond the 'groupie' age of 16.5 when I may have thought that accusing someone of not being a 'real' or 'true' fan meant anything at all
4. 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit might not be the best of Bon Jovi records, yet the guitar work on it is the most complex and ambitious Richie has recorded, song in song out. The reason I enumerated those songs/ albums was to highlight everything that made Bon Jovi stand out and everything that is lacking in this particular song! I was not even asking for all those elements. Just one would have been enough...but...no!

Having clarified this, let's focus on the gist of it!

I don't want Bon Jovi to be "sounding all 80s & 90s again" in the sense you phrase it. I don't want them to re-release Slippery, or Jersey or Faith or These Days. They should simply sound like themselves. Great bands transcend decades and fashion, and make music that is first and foremost their own music, maintaining a certain level of quality. I admit, there aren't that many who are still relevant but I can start enumerating a bunch.

Extremely successful ones: Bruce Springsteen. AC/DC
Very successful ones: Pearl Jam. Iron Maiden
Moderately successful ones: Alice Cooper. The Scorpions

These are NOT nostalgia acts. Go to any of their concerts, listen to any of their recent records. NONE sound like it's 1985 - yet they all make honest genuine music that represents them as musicians in the 2010s. Do they get radio airplay? Some do, yes. Do they top the charts? No, they don't. Do they care about those aspects primarily? I don't know - but certainly, it is NOT mass appeal that they aim at when they release these records. Yet they remain extremely successful. Again, knowing the way you think, you will say: "if Bon Jovi sounded like Bruce Springsteen, they would be accused of blah blah blah!". And no, I am not saying they should sound like Springsteen either.

All I am saying is that Because We Can is a manufactured song that sounds like it has come from a song-factory where they mass-produce songs that make no sense, yet are consumed, because that's 'what works' today.
It sounds as if a bunch of untalented musicians came together and recorded some sound in a gutter, copied lyrics from a Scientology for beginners hymn book, recorded a guitar solo using one finger only on a piano keyboard, while the singer was not quite sure whether he was drowning or whether he should have used nose drops to breath better. When the 'product' was finished, they stamped BON JOVI on it and put it on itunes. It's like writing Ferrari on a Toyota (without insulting Toyota who make great cars).

And I was neither trying to insult anyone or act condescendingly. I do apologise if it did though.

Spot on post!


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