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james_d 05-30-2019 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1253173)
It’s great Phil takes the time out to chat on Twitter but he can be pissy with some of his replies.

I appreciate humour can sometimes be lost in text but in the same breath, it’s HIM asking his followers to submit questions. No need to then get sarky with flippant answers.



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Honestly I think you've hit the nail on the head in regard to twitter in general here. You can't get things like tone properly so I don't know if he's being serious some of the time.

Supersonic 05-30-2019 10:50 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1253173)
It’s great Phil takes the time out to chat on Twitter but he can be pissy with some of his replies.

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He's also started to come off as arrogant (or maybe ignorant?) to me. I get a replacement guitarist not nailing the guitar solo's note for note when they start playing with a band but saying none of the solo's are "technically that difficult" after you've never, ever, after about 200 shows, nailed any of them is a bit odd to say the least. Surely if he could do it he'd have played them right at least once?

When Richie improvised it rarely ever felt out of place yet when he's doing the solo's themselves they still feel out of place. He just lacks the bluesy feel Richie has and it shows every time he gets a chance to shine. It's all nice and well for the majority of people not hearing the difference but once you do it just sounds wrong.

I thought by now he'd have learned how to add the proper flow to the solo's but instead they've drifted off to something generic and how every random guy would play this stuff; the occasional recognizable lick in between random fills and riffs. That's all well and good if you're playing in a cover band doing random covers by random bands but if you're playing in a band doing nothing but Bon Jovi songs the solo's need to be spot on.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

james_d 05-30-2019 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1253176)
Aloha !



He's also started to come off as arrogant (or maybe ignorant?) to me. I get a replacement guitarist not nailing the guitar solo's note for note when they start playing with a band but saying none of the solo's are "technically that difficult" after you've never, ever, after about 200 shows, nailed any of them is a bit odd to say the least. Surely if he could do it he'd have played them right at least once?

When Richie improvised it rarely ever felt out of place yet when he's doing the solo's themselves they still feel out of place. He just lacks the bluesy feel Richie has and it shows every time he gets a chance to shine. It's all nice and well for the majority of people not hearing the difference but once you do it just sounds wrong.

I thought by now he'd have learned how to add the proper flow to the solo's but instead they've drifted off to something generic and how every random guy would play this stuff; the occasional recognizable lick in between random fills and riffs. That's all well and good if you're playing in a cover band doing random covers by random bands but if you're playing in a band doing nothing but Bon Jovi songs the solo's need to be spot on.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

He did also say that getting the correct emotion across is really difficult. If by technically hard he's referring to really fast playing then he's not wrong to say Bon Jovi songs aren't like this. But I agree he's a bit arrogant at times.

Jeeper 05-30-2019 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1253175)
Honestly I think you've hit the nail on the head in regard to twitter in general here. You can't get things like tone properly so I don't know if he's being serious some of the time.



Good point. I’m sure some of it is intended as humour.


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Supersonic 05-30-2019 11:41 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1253177)
He did also say that getting the correct emotion across is really difficult. If by technically hard he's referring to really fast playing then he's not wrong to say Bon Jovi songs aren't like this. But I agree he's a bit arrogant at times.

I think he's full of shit when it comes to that and he knows it too. "getting the correct emotion across..." We're not talking about Clapton or Knopfler who put down a specific feel to these guitar solo's. First you've got to learn the right notes, then you've got to learn how to play the right notes. He's doing neither. He's picked up a few licks and has build his own solo with it.

Most guitar players will all agree that whatever came after 1992 hasn't been that difficult, no. But whatever came after 1992 isn't making up most of the setlist either. Even the basic riffs are wrong by a small margin. Raise Your Hands? Timing is off every single time. Bad Name? Riff is played the wrong way. Bad Medicine? Takes the tempo out of the guitar solo every time. And whenever you compare his way with Richie's way it's always Richie who did more bends, more fills, more licks, more scales whereas Phil X often follows up a scale with a huge bend.

If this stuff wasn't technically difficult for him he'd do it. Its the subtle nuances Richie added which makes him standout compared to his peers from that time. The right emotion? Meh... All this adoration, night after night, and yet the guys who do know what they're talking about says he's doing it wrong. I think he knows by now he's not able to replicate whatever Richie came up with and the fanboys on Twitter are getting to him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

james_d 05-30-2019 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1253179)
Aloha !



I think he's full of shit when it comes to that and he knows it too. "getting the correct emotion across..." We're not talking about Clapton or Knopfler who put down a specific feel to these guitar solo's. First you've got to learn the right notes, then you've got to learn how to play the right notes. He's doing neither. He's picked up a few licks and has build his own solo with it.

Most guitar players will all agree that whatever came after 1992 hasn't been that difficult, no. But whatever came after 1992 isn't making up most of the setlist either. Even the basic riffs are wrong by a small margin. Raise Your Hands? Timing is off every single time. Bad Name? Riff is played the wrong way. Bad Medicine? Takes the tempo out of the guitar solo every time. And whenever you compare his way with Richie's way it's always Richie who did more bends, more fills, more licks, more scales whereas Phil X often follows up a scale with a huge bend.

If this stuff wasn't technically difficult for him he'd do it. Its the subtle nuances Richie added which makes him standout compared to his peers from that time. The right emotion? Meh... All this adoration, night after night, and yet the guys who do know what they're talking about says he's doing it wrong. I think he knows by now he's not able to replicate whatever Richie came up with and the fanboys on Twitter are getting to him.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

You're quite probably right. I don't play guitar so don't notice a lot of the differences other than tone and timing a lot of the time.

Jeeper 05-30-2019 12:34 PM

Phil X
 
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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1253176)
Aloha !







He's also started to come off as arrogant (or maybe ignorant?) to me. I get a replacement guitarist not nailing the guitar solo's note for note when they start playing with a band but saying none of the solo's are "technically that difficult" after you've never, ever, after about 200 shows, nailed any of them is a bit odd to say the least. Surely if he could do it he'd have played them right at least once?



When Richie improvised it rarely ever felt out of place yet when he's doing the solo's themselves they still feel out of place. He just lacks the bluesy feel Richie has and it shows every time he gets a chance to shine. It's all nice and well for the majority of people not hearing the difference but once you do it just sounds wrong.



I thought by now he'd have learned how to add the proper flow to the solo's but instead they've drifted off to something generic and how every random guy would play this stuff; the occasional recognizable lick in between random fills and riffs. That's all well and good if you're playing in a cover band doing random covers by random bands but if you're playing in a band doing nothing but Bon Jovi songs the solo's need to be spot on.



Salaam Aleikum,

Sebastiaan



I agree. While being technically proficient, his delivery is often rushed. He’s sometimes ahead of the beat, over bends notes making him out of tune and as you say, generally lacks that feel.


I’ve seen him comment several times about how Jovi songs/solos are not difficult. He’s also made a few shitty remarks about Richie on his Fretted Americana videos before now yet can’t play any of RIchie’s solos as well.


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Thinny 05-30-2019 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1253182)
He’s also made a few shitty remarks about Richie on his Fretted Americana videos before now yet can’t play any of RIchie’s solos as well.

I'm amazed at how many people conveniently forget that, and all the other times that Phil has implied that he's not really of fan of the type of music that Bon Jovi play. Yet Richie says anything remotely negative then everyone jumps all over it. Says a lot about the agenda of some posters...

Rdkopper 05-30-2019 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1253190)
I'm amazed at how many people conveniently forget that, and all the other times that Phil has implied that he's not really of fan of the type of music that Bon Jovi play. Yet Richie says anything remotely negative then everyone jumps all over it. Says a lot about the agenda of some posters...

You're comparing apples to oranges.

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BonJovi100 05-30-2019 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1253190)
I'm amazed at how many people conveniently forget that, and all the other times that Phil has implied that he's not really of fan of the type of music that Bon Jovi play. Yet Richie says anything remotely negative then everyone jumps all over it. Says a lot about the agenda of some posters...

I talked with Phil X in 2013 and he said that he was big SWW and NJersey fan in 80s.


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