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united17 08-01-2013 02:39 PM

I have had friends here commit suicide though not for medical reasons. One of them I would've known for 13 years had he been alive today.

I think that the option of suicide whether due to physical, mental or situational stress or unhappiness should be available to all. A quick read of the quote below will enlighten you as to how my country's government treats suicide.

Recently one of my friends was in hospital for a suicide attempt of overdosing and the doctor instructed her to tell the police she had take the wrong amount of the wrong medication as she couldn't see the pills in the dark. She told me that despite being in a state of delirium following the overdose and having had her stomach pumped and whatnot - she was interviewed by police officers at 5AM.

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In Singapore, attempting suicide is a crime under Section 309 of the Penal Code. A woman was recently sentenced to jail for repeated suicide attempts. Her case, even if unusual, spurs us to question a law that penalises people facing extreme distress, when they actually need social support.

Suicide is one of the top ten causes of death in Singapore. In 2011, the Samaritans of Singapore (SOS) handled more than 44,000 hotline calls, indicating the number of people contemplating suicide even if not attempting it. In recent years, suicide has increased among the elderly and the young. In 2011, the elderly made up 23% of all suicides, even though they constitute only 9.3 % of the population. From 2010 to 2011, the suicide mortality rate doubled among those aged 65-74 and those aged 85 and above. From 2008 to 2009, suicide among those aged 10-29 also rose by 70%, increasing from 64 to 91 deaths.

In 2009, the highest suicide rate – 28.7 per 100,000 – occurred among men aged 65 and above, more than double the national rate of 10.7. Suicide also increased among men aged 20-29, with their suicide rate almost doubling from 10.8 in 2008 to 20.1 in 2009. While suicide mortality rates among women and girls have declined in the last ten years, their highest suicide rate is also among those aged 65 and above, as for men and boys.

For every death resulting from suicide, there are seven suicide attempts. Arrests for attempted suicide have increased, from 706 in 2007 to 992 in 2011 (almost three a day).

Supersonic 08-02-2013 01:57 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1149036)
It's a tricky topic. I am strongly against any type of suicide for people who have no "good" reason (if that's not the "duh" statement of the century).

I'm honestly not trying to pick on you, but who are you to decide what's a good reason for someone else?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

TwinFan 08-02-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1149270)
Aloha !

I'm honestly not trying to pick on you, but who are you to decide what's a good reason for someone else?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I had a tough time choosing the wording for that. I meant that I'm strongly against suicide of people who are just sad, or even depressed. There IS a better way out. But to me, a "good" reason would be a terminal illness.

united17 08-03-2013 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1149319)
I had a tough time choosing the wording for that. I meant that I'm strongly against suicide of people who are just sad, or even depressed. There IS a better way out. But to me, a "good" reason would be a terminal illness.

If you don't mind me asking - what is the better way out?

TwinFan 08-03-2013 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by united17 (Post 1149351)
If you don't mind me asking - what is the better way out?

Help from loved ones/professionals.

Jim Bon Jovi 08-04-2013 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1149354)
Help from loved ones/professionals.

If it was that simple then suicide wouldn't even be an issue.

You ever heard the old cliche': He seemed fine, no one could have guessed what was going on in his head... It's said for a reason. Of the few people I know who have committed suicide, none of them seemed like they needed any help or assistance.

Add to the fact that depression is such a misunderstood condition that I'd imagine most people are unwilling to "out" themselves as much of the time it would get the wrong reaction.

Supersonic 08-04-2013 11:06 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1149319)
I had a tough time choosing the wording for that. I meant that I'm strongly against suicide of people who are just sad, or even depressed. There IS a better way out. But to me, a "good" reason would be a terminal illness.

Oh, I know what you mean. But still, who are you to decide whether it's a good thing? I know people who have been under heavy medication and therapy and yet the only thing that has done this for them is make them numb to pretty much everything, which really isn't a nice way to live. So why say no when someone's physical health is perfect but mental health just can't be fixed?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Kathleen 08-05-2013 10:15 PM

How about someone deciding to stop a treatment that keeps them alive? My Mom died last Friday after refusing kidney dialysis anymore. Is that suicide or is that a sensible choice when there is no hope for a recovery?

RS8MB0R8 08-08-2013 03:49 PM

Also, if someone wants to end their life for whatever reason, surely there should be a controlled environment in which they can do it?

So many suicides have knock on psychological effects for those people who witness them and if someone is intent on choosing death over life, they're likely going to find a way to do it anyway. Why should innocent bystanders be caught up in the trauma?

UKjovi 08-09-2013 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1149638)
How about someone deciding to stop a treatment that keeps them alive? My Mom died last Friday after refusing kidney dialysis anymore. Is that suicide or is that a sensible choice when there is no hope for a recovery?

So sorry to hear that Kathleen, must be the hardest thing ever. I know it will happen to my parents but I just cannot imagine life without them.
As for her choice I would think it is the right one however painful it is for you.

I do believe it is a person's right to choose when they go, it is their life after all?
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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1149501)
Aloha !



Oh, I know what you mean. But still, who are you to decide whether it's a good thing? I know people who have been under heavy medication and therapy and yet the only thing that has done this for them is make them numb to pretty much everything, which really isn't a nice way to live. So why say no when someone's physical health is perfect but mental health just can't be fixed?

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Not all drugs do that to you Seb, there is citalopram. It allows you to carry on with life without thinking about suicide all the time.
Thing is getting people to go to the doctors to talk about it plus getting a doctor that understands.


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