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Rated_R_Ron 08-25-2013 02:07 AM

We Weren't Born To Follow - Live question
 
Hey,

So your personal opinion of the song aside, can someone who is somewhat musically proficient explain to me why does this song come off so boring and lifeless when performed live?

I know the band's instruments and the vocals are tuned half step lower during live shows, but it doesn't kill most songs like it does this one. WWBTF just sounds so low and muddy and it's like Jon is half asleep singing it.

Many artists play live half step lower and it doesn't totally zap the energy out of the music. Can anyone please explain what's happening there?

Here's a simple example:


TwinFan 08-25-2013 02:19 AM

I believe it does with the amount of guitars. There's so many layers on the album version, and not so many live.

Javier 08-25-2013 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1151048)
I believe it does with the amount of guitars. There's so many layers on the album version, and not so many live.

This. there's I think like 6 or 7 guitar tracks on the album version at any given time. There's also that aside from down tuning a semitone, they also play it a few beats slower than the album version. Jon's vocal delivery is also lifeless most of the time. Everyday faced a similar problem when played live.... The version from New meadowlands 2011 is I think the best they've ever played it live imo....

Captain_jovi 08-25-2013 07:08 AM

Someone on here pointed out it's not just done half a step down, they changed the key of the song and did half a step lower than that, making it a full step lower than the album version. I've never been able to figure out why, it doesn't seem that demanding vocally.

Rated_R_Ron 08-25-2013 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1151054)
Someone on here pointed out it's not just done half a step down, they changed the key of the song and did half a step lower than that, making it a full step lower than the album version. I've never been able to figure out why, it doesn't seem that demanding vocally.

Interesting.
To my untrained ears it sounds like the live version is 3 semitones lower than the studio version.
So the live version will be transposed to a new key a whole step lower and then due to the Eb tuning will sound an additional semitone lower. Of course, I may be wrong on this.

Javier 08-25-2013 07:42 AM

That would make the studio version to be in Am instead of G#m. Now, it's been ages since I've heard the studio version but, I don't remember it like that. Or maybe I'm just used to the live version as that's the only time I listen to Bon Jovi nowadays anyway....

TwinFan 08-25-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1151054)
Someone on here pointed out it's not just done half a step down, they changed the key of the song and did half a step lower than that, making it a full step lower than the album version. I've never been able to figure out why, it doesn't seem that demanding vocally.

I'm 99% that this is false. It's just a half step down from the album tuning.

The song starts on an Abm chord, and when Richie (or Phil or Bobby or Jon) plays it live, he plays an Abm chord.

Rated_R_Ron 08-25-2013 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1151057)
That would make the studio version to be in Am instead of G#m. Now, it's been ages since I've heard the studio version but, I don't remember it like that. Or maybe I'm just used to the live version as that's the only time I listen to Bon Jovi nowadays anyway....

The studio version is in G#m (or B major) standard tuning, but the live version sounds lower than just one semitone, also Jon sings it live much lower.

Javier 08-25-2013 08:15 AM

Jon can sing it an octave lower if he wants or chooses to. It's still tuned down half a step, not a whole step (or step and a half). He often sings lower octaves live, not just on this song....

hackster73 08-25-2013 10:44 AM

Its a boring unmemorable song anyway. Thats where the problem starts.


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