Originally Posted by GabrielC (Post 1155312)

Oh my god, I forgot how awful the setlists from the start of the tour were.

Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1155330)

I caved like the wussy I am and bought tickets on ebay. Screw it. It's Friday night. If nothing else, I'll have a fun night out at the casino having dinner, losing some money and getting drunk with a buddy.My expectations are nil for the show, so it can't possibly disappoint me.

Originally Posted by GabrielC (Post 1155312)

Oh my god, I forgot how awful the setlists from the start of the tour were.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1155331)

Hahahahaha they keep pulling you back in.

Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1155330)

I caved like the wussy I am and bought tickets on ebay. Screw it. It's Friday night. If nothing else, I'll have a fun night out at the casino having dinner, losing some money and getting drunk with a buddy.My expectations are nil for the show, so it can't possibly disappoint me.

Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1155353)

Dang, Dan, I wish you would have told me you were thinking about going. I had a ticket in Section 14, Row H that I would have just given to you. I'm still in my "immobilization" brace for a few more weeks so I can't make the show as I can't drive, sit or well, just about do much of anything..lol!!

Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1155330)

I caved like the wussy I am and bought tickets on ebay. Screw it. It's Friday night. If nothing else, I'll have a fun night out at the casino having dinner, losing some money and getting drunk with a buddy.My expectations are nil for the show, so it can't possibly disappoint me.

Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1155358)

You are funny. There's nothing wrong with enjoying a night out at a Bon Jovi show, even though they're not playing the '95 Wembley set list.

Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1155360)

Yeah but people around here these days act like they'd have more fun going to the dentists.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1155361)

Aloha !



Yeah, that's because, shock, horror, more and more people over here aren't like someone like you, who seems to think that a poor Bon Jovi show is still a good night out. There's not been any show played in America that have made me rather wanted to be in the venue as opposed to just sit at home and watch TV. And this tour is been consisting of nothing but poor Bon Jovi shows, minus about 5 shows, really. Autopilot, poor vocals and dreadful setlists. If you can't detect the first one, don't hear the second one and don't care for the last one, then yeah, I'm sure you'll have a blast.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1155362)

And this whole setlist argument - the songs their playing are the songs I fell in love with. I don't get tired listening to them on a record, so why I'd get tired listening them to the few times I get to hear them live every couple of years - also makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1155363)

There you go, and I agree. I'm off to the show myself. I desperately wanted to go to the first show - not because it was the first show but because I had open heart surgery less than 5 weeks previously and I was just glad to be alive. Even my surgeon said I could go and then the show was cancelled :( So I am going to enjoy this one no matter what. We are going to see some people we know and probably eat too much and drink too much and then have an evening of music. It's all good. :D

And Deb - I am sorry that you can't make it but keep looking at the positive. Once that brace comes off you will feel much better.

Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1155362)

And this whole setlist argument - the songs their playing are the songs I fell in love with. I don't get tired listening to them on a record, so why I'd get tired listening them to the few times I get to hear them live every couple of years - also makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1155367)

Aloha !



It does when the entire set is played on auto pilot and is filled up with songs you absolutely don't care for, and the ones you do care for sound dreadful live. Then that setlist argument suddenly makes a lot of sense, and it's the reason why most of my friends who still went to see the band 10 years ago no longer give a shit. But again, if you can't detect auto pilot and don't hear how off key Jon is nowadays, I'm sure you'll have a blast.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1155371)

Why is it this feels like high school, when liking Bon Jovi just wasn't cool. Except I'm on a Bon Jovi board.

You only comment on something these days when you're trying to make out that somehow those who still enjoy the band are some sort of suckers or musical retards who can't tell the difference between a good show and a bad. It's some sort of superior elitist bullshit. You're in danger of sounding like a cantankerous old man.

Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1155363)

There you go, and I agree. I'm off to the show myself. I desperately wanted to go to the first show - not because it was the first show but because I had open heart surgery less than 5 weeks previously and I was just glad to be alive. Even my surgeon said I could go and then the show was cancelled :( So I am going to enjoy this one no matter what. We are going to see some people we know and probably eat too much and drink too much and then have an evening of music. It's all good. :D

And Deb - I am sorry that you can't make it but keep looking at the positive. Once that brace comes off you will feel much better.

Originally Posted by heart†1155376

Deb, wishing you a speedy recovery...

Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1155362)

Any night out to me is better than a night in with the TV. I can go and enjoy a night with local bands who are nowhere near the level of Bon Jovi, so it's nonsensical that I wouldn't enjoy a night with a band who, whilst currently nowhere near at their best - and I would never disagree with that - are still pretty ****ing good.

And this whole setlist argument - the songs their playing are the songs I fell in love with. I don't get tired listening to them on a record, so why I'd get tired listening them to the few times I get to hear them live every couple of years - also makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1155375)

Aloha !



I wasn't the one who started the "Yeah but for some it seems like they like the dentist more" thing. You've repeated that thing several times, albeit in different words, and I don't think I've replied to you like the way I did just now simply because I felt it wasn't worth the hassle.

Your words are making it sound like those that are critical of the band shouldn't be posting here simply because you, apparantly, don't see auto pilot or hear the off key kind of things others do. Which is fine, like I said. If you don't, you'll probably have a blast. You're not the only one, they're still selling 15.000-35.000 tickets on a nightly basis, and yes, most can't tell a good show from a bad show either. It's why Bon Jovi, and in fact plenty of other acts, still sell a lot of tickets.

However though, I do hear and see it. It's what made me sell most of my tickets and cancel almost all my plans for this tour. Your comment in regards to the dentist is what makes me respond, because I feel like defending my point of view. You don't seem to understand how someone could not enjoy any Bon Jovi show, whereas I don't understand how anyone could still enjoy any (American) Bon Jovi show. I offer my point of view, you offer bitching about my point of view as opposed to counter points. Yeah, that puts us back in high school.

I don't think I've ever really bitched about you personally, because you do seem to enjoy the shows, and it is what it is really. I don't get it, I'll never get it, but it's fine by me. Once you start ridiculing me indirectly for not liking the same things you do, you're kind of on thin ice, that's pretty much how Jovitalk has always worked, or any message board really. But judging from what most people on Jovitalk are saying owadays, and the impopularity in regards to the PBP's nowadays I no longer seem to be the only one here. Which is much to my surprise, really, because that's never been how Jovitalk has worked.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1155381)

No personal bitching at all, Seb. But saying "I" hear these things and "you can't" comes across as very condescending when I can hear exactly the same things you do, so that pushed my buttons the wrong way. I don't understand how someone can just stand at a show and not sing, dance, but I've seen people do it. Maybe that's where the difference is.

But I stand by what I've said and you're right I've said it a few times. But when it becomes wrong to like Bon Jovi on a Jovi board, then maybe it's time I left, not you.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1155375)

But judging from what most people on Jovitalk are saying owadays, and the impopularity in regards to the PBP's nowadays I no longer seem to be the only one here. Which is much to my surprise, really, because that's never been how Jovitalk has worked.

Originally Posted by Sissy3 (Post 1155406)

For anyone who may care this is what's posted on Backstage so far. Apparently some of them are getting texts from friends at the show. I removed multiple exclamation points and all caps. The op was a little excited. LOL :D

1. Lost Highway
2. That's What The Water Made Me
3. You Give Love A Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. Radio Saved My Life
6. Superman Tonight
7. It's My Life
8. Because We Can
9. What About Now
10. Captain Crash
11. Keep The Faith
-------------------------------------
On the circle:

12. Bed of Roses
13. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
14. Thick As Thieves
15. (You Want To) Make A Memory

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16. Army of One
17. We Weren' t Born To Follow
18. Who Says You Can't Go Home
19. Bad Medicine w/Pretty Woman
20. Sleep when I'm dead

Encore:
21. Wanted Dead Or Alive
22. Livin' On A Prayer


Show over

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1155411)

The official setlist listed I'd Die For You after Army of One and Have A Nice Day as the song to open the encore. Both were probably dropped due to the strict curfew of the Mohegan Sun Casino. Audibles (all unused) were BOB, IBTFY, DC and Just Older.

Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1155413)

If that is the case they should have been on stage 10 minutes earlier

Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1155413)

If that is the case they should have been on stage 10 minutes earlier

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1155416)

Aloha !



Doesn't really matter. In the Mohegan Sun the band is given a 2 hour time slot to play, if they start earlier they'll have to finish earlier as well. Just look up the history of the band playing there, they've always been shorter shows than usual, with 1 exception during the Lost Highway tour, I think.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Lisa71 (Post 1155415)

Apparently if true, Phil was late arriving.

Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1155413)

If that is the case they should have been on stage 10 minutes earlier

Originally Posted by Lisa71 (Post 1155415)

Apparently if true, Phil was late arriving.

Originally Posted by Kazyyy12 (Post 1155424)

I was there last night, i will post a full review later, but I can confirm the comment "I should've known when it started snowing.". Jon said something like that, I can't remember the exact words. Show was good, came to an abrupt ending though. I expected more out of the encore, but I think that was a curfew issue. They were late onstage by about 15 minutes, the "Showtime in 1 minute" thing flashed on the screen then it took about 15 minutes for them to come on. JBJ did say that there would be some surprises, but I think the strict curfew made them cut out I'd die for You, HAND, and any chances of an audible getting played.