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rosa3 03-17-2017 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1221026)
But but but but um....WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?????

On a serious note, that's very true. They both have given us so much over the years and both now completely suck live. Even if it's for completely different reasons, it's almost poetic how both of them declined so dramatically pretty much at the same time.

I guess you have not had a chance to look at Becky's review of the Memphis show from last night, but it won't matter to you because your opinion won't change, right?

Walleris 03-18-2017 12:30 AM

The Richie Sambora & Orianthi album
 
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Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1221039)
I guess you have not had a chance to look at Becky's review of the Memphis show from last night, but it won't matter to you because your opinion won't change, right?


I did see Becky's post and I'm happy for her, but why should my opinion be changed because she loved the show? I have my own standards for what I consider a good performance from Jon and Richie.

If you think a movie sucked, would you chang your mind if I said it's my favorite?

golittleperson 03-18-2017 03:10 AM

"It's not a given that you're going to be good. It's will power. You have the opportunity to suck every second, you chose not to. It's a choice."

David Bryan

JackieBlue 03-18-2017 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1221043)
... I have my own standards for what I consider a good performance from Jon and Richie...

In your previous post you said the real reasons Jon and Richie suck today is that Richie never learned to manage his lifestyle and Jon never learned to maintain his instrument. I won't argue that, although those reasons would also share the same underlying cause, i.e., they made mistakes. It happens. Sometimes it happens over and over again. You can call it a lack of self-discipline, or irresponsibility, or just not giving a damn. At this moment in history, it doesn't matter what you call it because neither you nor they can change the past.

Richie can't go back and undrink the alcohol or unmake the choices he made. Jon can't unsmoke the cigarettes he smoked or re-sing all the notes he sang improperly because he didn't use a better technique. What's done is done. All they can do now is avoid making more poor choices.

This isn't meant to challenge your right to have your own standards of performance from Jon and Richie. That's entirely your prerogative. But I will say this: If your standards are based on how much better Jon and Richie could be if they had never made mistakes in the past, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed with them from now on. No matter how much people bitch about it, they can't unscramble an egg. The best they can do at this point is turn it into an omelet. :)

I also agree that needing someone in order to be your best doesn't qualify as 'a reason to suck' - if by 'reason' you mean 'a justification for' or ' an excuse'. I'm not excusing past (or current) behaviors. But I still think that needing someone can be 'a reason to suck' when 'reason' is defined as 'a trigger' or 'a precipitating factor'. I've seen depression, insecurity, and stress (just to mention a few side-effects that can result from unexpected change) cause too many brilliant people to self-destruct or turn in less than their best performances. And while it's true that Jon's vocal issues and Richie's erratic performances have been problematic for years, the sudden and rapid decline in both since April 2013 is too coincidental for me to believe that it wasn't caused by the split.

When I said 'the best' I didn't mean the best they have ever been or the best they would be in a perfect world. I meant the best they can be at this point in their lives, warts and all. Because, frankly, that's the only realistic expectation we can have. And in my opinion, the odds of either of them achieving a personal best increase exponentially when they are working together instead of separately.

Given what we know about the current state of affairs, I may be reaching for the stars, too. But at least this is a choice they could make in the present. It's something they can change without having the ability to travel through time for a do-over.

SuperBrad 03-18-2017 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1221030)
SPOT ON remark...it truly is worth mentioning how 2 guys with great talent and chemistry lost the magic being on theor own..
jon wouldnt be able to sing great if richie came back but still the definition of a great band is a sum greater than its individuals parts

Very very true .

Eveline 03-18-2017 09:27 AM

Jackie, beautifully said! I do agree.

Eveline 03-22-2017 12:12 AM

I've stumbled upon richiesambora.com today and this big headline at the top of the page announcing 'New Website Coming Soon!' made me chuckle. The guy just loves leaving things hanging in the air. A true magician indeed! :D

GabrielC 03-22-2017 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1221409)
I've stumbled upon richiesambora.com today and this big headline at the top of the page announcing 'New Website Coming Soon!' made me chuckle. The guy just loves leaving things hanging in the air. A true magician indeed! :D

It's been that way for a while.

Captain_jovi 03-22-2017 04:50 PM

According to the wayback machine at least December of 2015, replacing the preview and coming soon of "I got you babe".

Zacm95 03-23-2017 02:08 AM

Anybody see this? Had to be kind of awkward... sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place. Didn't see any other thread

https://twitter.com/rollingstone/sta...51654783881221


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