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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1227330)

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I think blaming Richie for leaving the tour without really wondering why he did it is the key, but no one seems to be interested in this...

✋ um... Excuse me, but I have been... yeah, since, like... um... Day One. :D

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227302)

Jon won't and shouldn't congratulate Richie... Richie congratulating his old band that he walked out on was the right thing to do... Jon should not return that back to a band he was never in...

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I agree 100%

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1227331)

So, are you saying that in 30 years Jon was the only one who stood by Richie and it never worked the other way around? Or are you just dismissing all the times that Richie had Jon's back? Exactly how was Jon supportive of Richie when Richie told him that it was too soon to go back out and Jon said tour or leave the band? That's real understanding brotherhood for you.

You have no argument here, RDK. At the end of the day they have probably both ****ed each other over and both been supportive over the years. The only difference is that this was public. And Richie's not the only one who could have decided something different 3 months sooner. In fact, he TRIED to exercise a different option. They BOTH had the option to make different choices before the tour started. Jon just had more power in the relationship. That doesn't mean that he was any more noble or any less of a dick in his actions.

And WHEN exactly did Jon tell Richie that?? I thought YOU said I was reading too much into that comment! That Jon probably hadn't HAD any real conversations with Richie since Calgary. I was taking it too literally, remember. You're having as much trouble deciding if Jon talked to Richie or not as he is.

And for the record, I don't know if he was drunk or not when he did it, but your boy Jonny was the FIRST one to open his mouth about trouble in the band AND the FIRST one to do any bashing. Let's not lose sight of the truth while you're focusing on that big picture there.

When you use the word 'probably' it just tells me that your guessing at opinions... Whatever makes your story sound better...As far as facts go, we are sticking to the topic as to why Richie left and they are both telling the same story... it's about Richie leaving to spend time with his daughter... I'm okay with all of that and if Richie needed some time to do so, I'm all for it...

However the big BUT here is that he decided to bail on everyone three months in... I know you think that big bad Bon Jovi bullied him into it but I think a grown 52 year old man could have made that decision prior to the start of the tour... There is a bigger picture of Richie just ****ing Jon here... He ****ed everyone and that's as selfish as you could get...

Finally, he sees Jon moving on without him... without even skipping a step or blinking an eye so he decides to be a bigger dick and bash the band in an interview...

Those are facts... Everything else is just assumptions and bullshit...

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1227330)

Richie was not the first to hit. It seems that no one remembers the stabbing trapeze when Jon said at a press conference that thank god, Richie was not The Edge, and that he could be replaced.

Everyone here was a big dick, everyone. But the Leader, the CEO, the team Quarterback is the one who has to carry all the responsibility, like it or not. At the root of that, Richie spit some things and everything became a great snowball.

I think blaming Richie for leaving the tour without really wondering why he did it is the key, but no one seems to be interested in this, and prefer to think of things like a relapse or something like that. Richie was clean and on vacation with his daughter that week before leaving, he even said something about being ready to go back to the leg. All very suspicious. My guess has not changed, there have been tensions between Jon and Richie since the tour began, and we already know how Jon is when he pushes the guys. Tal vez pudo haber sido la gota que colmo el vaso.

If Jon has no voice because of an overexertion on the 2013 tour, that's not Richie's fault.

If they are both telling the same story, you have to go with that... 'No one had a fight and it wasn't about money'

The day after Richie left the tour, he was in Hawaii with his daughter...

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1227332)

[emoji113] um... Excuse me, but I have been... yeah, since, like... um... Day One. :D

If this is true then you are nothing but a hypocrite because you just game me your reasons why Richie left and why it's all Jon's fault...

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227321)

Friends? I'm pretty sure Richie will never share a stage with Jon Shanks.

Sure?
https://youtu.be/jZ3WYwHSvI4

They didn't share the mike so it doesn't count :cool:

I have my theory of conspiracy. I think Richie was not happy on the tour and somehow he had no options, let's be honest, the album was already done and the tour was scheduled, so it did not matter to Richie's wishes. not turning was not an option even though richie was not ready, and jon knew it. The tensions in the first leg were what made the dock jump.

Another thing, whenever jon was asked by the subject of Richie in the first months of tour, this said that personal matters. but when they arrived in Europe with the big stage Jon seemed more worried and began to say that Richie would have to return, that this was a job and he would not behave like an angry child.

Jon and Camp Jovi seemed to struggle to bring Richie back in that stage, until they reached Slane, the point of no return. After that show, the things change, and Jon no longer wanted to know anything about Richie, however Richie seemed to be willing to return to hide park or the shows in NJ. My theory is that they both knew the importance of slane, it was Jon's favorite place on that tour, I think they planned to immortalize the moment for a dvd / bluray release. But they needed Richie, and he did not show up. I think Richie was aware of all this and was the way to hurt Jon. and that's why Jon did not let Richie back on the tour even though a few weeks earlier he was trying to bring Richie back. Both was hurts.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227337)

If this is true then you are nothing but a hypocrite because you just game me your reasons why Richie left and why it's all Jon's fault...

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You know, you'd save yourself a lot of time and energy and back pedaling if you would read the comments. Rolo said no one seemed interested in trying to understand why Richie left before blaming him for leaving, which is exactly what I've been saying for 4-1/2 years - that it wasn't fair to blame Richie for walking away until we knew the whole story about why he left the way he did.

No hypocrisy there, friend.

And where, specifically, in anything that I posted did I tell you why Richie left or say that it was Jon's fault?

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227317)

You can thank Richie for the wonderful vocals Jon has today too BTY...

What is this word BTY you keep using in many of your posts? Do you mean BTW (by the way)?