Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1243049)

Lol (Again! no song)

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1243043)

He's human... He's personable in interviews.... what's old news to us is not old news to the mainstream... Everytime the question is asked, he's answering it like its the first... Again, until Howard, he's been pretty consistent and generic with his answer...

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1214446)

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1243049)

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I like everytime some way you quote the Bible! it's true

btw if I was JBJ/RS I would feel waaay a “rock star” if I find people who overanalyze and talk about me like this lol

JBJ: "History speaks"

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1243060)

Man, you really DO want to go round and round again, don't you? (I didn't bullet it, but I tried to keep the paragraphs tiny.) [emoji14]

It was old news to the mainstream before the BWC tour ended, RDK. But regarding Jon's changing "generic" responses:

In 2013, when people actually cared about what happened, Jon skirted those questions like a champ. His generic response was primarily "personal issues, he just didn't show up, rock band isn't a life sentence."

2014: it was the NFL deal that broke Jon's heart, the label who betrayed him, and they were starting a new chapter because "...Richie left. It's not that big a deal; being in a rock band isn't a life sentence".

2015: Not much about Richie, focus was possible new music

2016: Most people outside of the fan base had all but forgotten that Richie had left the band. The die-hards had long-since given up on learning more about what happened and had basically moved on. Then the promos started and Jon brought Calgary up in every single interview.The first alcohol reference I remember (after the 2013 one) was the Mossman article (Nov 2016).

https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...ng-jbj-t69749/

I still don't trust that article, but it was the first of the drinking/drugging comments or innuendo in almost every interview after that until it just became a standard part of Jon's generic response, along with he just didnt show up, nobody's heard from him since Calgary, Jon was so devastated that he couldn't sing in the shower and his guitar was giving him the finger, being in a rockband...

As you say, that "generic response" remained basically unchanged until the rockhall promos started, but by then alcohol and Jon being more critical of Richie (in a perfectly noble way, of course) had already been a consistent part of it for well over a year.

There was an article bonjovi90 translated around that same time that is a decent example of the things I mentioned earlier, like Jon tugging on the fans' heartstrings to rile them up again, and how he brought Richie into the discussion, if the interviewer didn't, and then kept the focus on Richie's shortcomings to avoid straying into territory that might shine a light on Jon or the band as a possible part of the problem.

Here's a link to that whole discussion:
https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/new-b...st1214389.html

If you check it, you can see that I'm not the only one who thought Jon was talking more about Richie's business than he had before. In fact, DryCounty posted about how open Jon was.being about the Richie drama, and would you like to see how you responded?



Still think I was just on a witch hunt? That it was just my imagination or faulty Richie-centric interpretation that caused me to see Jon elaborating more and more in each interview? [emoji14]

(BTW, it occurs to me: Are we having this 'deja vu all over again' moment because you thought I was being critical of Jon again in my earlier post? If so, you need to go back and read that one, too. I wasn't bitching. I was just explaining my epiphany that led to the "Buckle up" post you didn't want to read.)

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1243061)

RE: Jon and Richie - I sometimes get this mental image of them, having kissed and made up, sharing a bottle of wine

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1243062)

Jon and Richie were married for 30 years and they know more about each other than anyone... Jon never bashed Richie. He was blindsided, hurt, and took it like a divorce.

Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1243064)

Funny, this is exactly what Heather did to Richie. He found out she was divorcing him in a f@kin' interview! Jon was nursing him to health for months, keeping him busy recording and touring, writing songs for him, allegedly inviting him over to his house for some time so he could recover mentally and THEN, Richie would just 'thank' Jon for all this after a few years and do the very same to him? Such a betrayal, which in his case almost cost him his own life, just because he 'suddenly' felt very unhappy? That would make R the biggest motherf***er in the world and I refuse to believe that is the truth. Period.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1243066)

So why is the SAME discussion being repeated after 5 years, 6 years, however long it’s been? This obsessive speculation being repeated over and over again is about as useful as a bull with udders.

Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1243063)

Why am I not having trouble imagining that you would do that.