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Becky 07-15-2018 07:36 PM

I’m not an advocate of wallowing in misery and that seems to be all that’s going on here. I check in to see if there are problems or bots, but I also spend a fraction of the time here I used to. I found something that brings me happiness, so my primary focus is there until there’s actually something developing on the Bon Jovi front.

The life and joy have been sucked right out of this forum. Depressing.

Rdkopper 07-15-2018 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1243066)
Richie said in one of those HOF interviews that the first thing Jon said to him when they saw each other was, “I love you,” and Richie said it back to Jon. It seems they are fine, whether they get back together or not.

So why is the SAME discussion being repeated after 5 years, 6 years, however long it’s been? This obsessive speculation being repeated over and over again is about as useful as a bull with udders.

Agree...

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Eveline 07-15-2018 07:39 PM

Does anybody feel miserable here? I'm serious.

All Richie's drama is kept in ONE a**long thread so it's so EASY to steer clear of it in case it's boring or depressing for anyone. If I'm not interested, I don't participate. Period.

Thinny 07-15-2018 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1243069)
I’m not an advocate of wallowing in misery and that seems to be all that’s going on here. I check in to see if there are problems or bots, but I also spend a fraction of the time here I used to. I found something that brings me happiness, so my primary focus is there until there’s actually something developing on the Bon Jovi front.

The life and joy have been sucked right out of this forum. Depressing.

I agree completely, and I'm spending less time here too, but that's partly becasue the band, or anyone related to the band are not giving us anything to look forward to or get excited about. It's only natural that in the absence of anything new people go over the same stuff again and again, and unfortunately most of that is negative. But i think we should probably get used to the lack of news and my gut tells me that they are all going to be slowing down a lot going forward, which is also only natural I suppose...

JackieBlue 07-15-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1243066)
....So why is the SAME discussion being repeated after 5 years, 6 years, however long it’s been? This obsessive speculation being repeated over and over again is about as useful as a bull with udders.

Not sure, since RDK didn't answer my question. I think we're having all this fun because RDK assumed that I was criticizing Jon when I was simply explaining a pot-kettle-black epiphany I had. But that didn't occur to me until we were knee-deep into it.

Couldn't possibly be a discussion we've repeated for much more than a year and a half, though. 'Cause I didn't start bitching about Jon throwing Richie under a marketing bus until the promos for THINFS started in late 2016. ;)

Eveline 07-15-2018 08:36 PM

Oh, half of the people only yawn and moan here so how can this be any interesting? :D

https://twitter.com/Csnaps_org/statu...04358289158145

Richie Sambora supports his troubled ex Heather Locklear from the sky

The clock is showing there are about 12 hours till it's available. I'm really curious... Yovana's posts give me this funny feeling she knew it all along o.O

JackieBlue 07-15-2018 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1243070)
Agree...

:shock:

You have GOT to be kidding me!! Seriously?? You're the one who STARTED that discussion we've covered "over and over and over". You jumped to Jon's defense over what you apparently thought was unjust criticism and started disputing what I said with your usual mix of "power-phrased (incorrect) facts" BEFORE you even read enough to know I wasn't criticizing!

One of the reasons I repeat myself "over and over and over" is because you don't read what I write the first time I post it. ::bang:

I get that you don't like to read long posts and that's fine. If you aren't going to read it, don't comment on it.

In case you've forgotten already, the entire trip down memory lane started HERE

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1243037)
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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1243036)
I see it as a win-win. :)

The ones I referred to know who they are; and they absolutely deserved to win that point. They do have a right to express their opinions without me harping on it.

My win was an integrity check-up. I did a lot of bitching about Jon saying over and over that THINFS was about his integrity (one of my core values) while, in the very same interviews, he was refueling the fans' anger with Richie by digging up old news and dropping "hints" about Richie's past addiction issues. This, after saying for years that the band didn't air their diirty laundry. But he knew that "reason" was something the fans would readily buy in to; and it would keep most of them from looking further for any other reasons that could possibly cast him or the band in an unfavorable light. When I followed that thread, I realized that, intentionally or not, Jon had never shown any real compunction about publicly discussing band members' shortcomings while making himself look better; so I didn't want to hear him spout BS about his "integrity".

Then, yesterday, I had a big "pot-kettle-black" moment. It dawned on me that there was something lacking in my own integrity if I'm judging others, when my bitch is the way they were judging someone else.

(It's a lesson I have to re-learn from time to time.):roll:


Yep. Karma is a bitch; the truth will come out, and justice will be served. Zen horses will win the race. Every time. :)

I love how over dramatic you are 'he was refueling the fans' anger'...

Okay Jackie, let's go round and round again... With everybody and mother fixing on the question 'what's going on with Richie?' and not focusing on the new record, Jon had to give a generic answer... it had NOTHING to do with refueling fans anger... He was just being honest and it wasn't really until the Howard interview where Jon insinuated it was drug related...


For ONCE, RDK, please do me the courtesy of actually READING what I wrote. Read for COMPREHENSION, please. And CONTEXT. It's not even a long post.

CLIFF NOTES: I wasn't criticizing Jon! I was explaining that.I HAD criticized him in the past for being hypocritical and it led to me realizing that I was as guilty of hypocrisy as I had accused him of being. It was historical background!!!

Jee-zus! A girl can't even apologize for something around here without somebody bitching about it! :D

Walleris 07-15-2018 10:13 PM

I wish I had half the time you guys have to be discussing the same subject for years over and over again...

JackieBlue 07-16-2018 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1243062)
What you are forgetting is, Jon was basically out of the limelight until he started promoting THINFS. Sure he did some spot interview but after he was done promoting WAN, he did his usual time off endeavours...

Now comes THINFS... Its now time to sit on the couch and here come all the Richie questions...

I think Jon's been as honest as possible. I think he was just as clueless as fans were... I believe they never really had a true conversation about why... and I think as Jon was finding out little pieces of info, he shared it. People wanted answers and Jon did what he could to answer questions that he didn't have the answers to...

Jon and Richie were married for 30 years and they know more about each other than anyone... Jon never bashed Richie. He was blindsided, hurt, and took it like a divorce.

We live in a society where the truth is offensive so Jon speaking the truth is honesty, not offensive... You need to understand that!!!

I understand all of that, tyvm; I just don't agree with all of it. :)

I've responded to most of it more than once, and you seem to be ignoring it, so I'm not doing it again. It's all in previous posts if you're interested.

The only thing new here is your comment about truth. I'm not offended by truth or honesty. Never have been. And I couldn't be offended by Jon's "truth" because he can't seem to decide what that is. It changes with every new promotion.

As I said, the only thing that offended me about Jon's "truth" was the way he used whatever it was, at the time, to manipulate fans and to further undermine whatever respect they still had for a bandmate he claims to love and have no ill-will towards, just to sell a record and strengthen his own position with fans in the process. You think he didn't do that. Point taken. But that doesn't change my opinion.

IMO, the media is an instrument Jon uses to get across any mesage he wants to get across, exactly the way he way he wants to get it across, at any given point in time. That's actually the purpose of media. And Jon plays it like a Stradivarius. Still, it's naive, imo, to buy into every message, without question, until the next message comes around, only to buy into the new message, no matter how contradictory it may be, as if the previous one never existed. But that's how I see it. You seem to see it differently and that's okay.

Now, since you seem to agree with Becky that this conversation should never have taken place, I guess we can stick a fork in it, right? :)

JackieBlue 07-16-2018 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1243076)
I wish I had half the time you guys have to be discussing the same subject for years over and over again...

Retirement, baby!! :D


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