I don't know, RDK. I just couldn't shake the feeling that there was still that little 'something' missing, y'know? But then you added your two cents worth!

NOW, all is well!!


:BIG:

Motörhead did this until the very end.

as a matter of fact, I read quite a lot of posts (< social media, BJ boards) saying that it was so I came back to check... but when I see that Old Grumpy's still around I'm relieved, I know that all is well in Joviland. :cool:

Wait! So there are other Bon Jovi boards out there and social media sites stating that JT was dead???? Are you sure you just weren't Lurking here????

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We're important!
In fact Ive always considered JT the 2nd most important boards, being the official one the 1st ofc. Just because its in the official FC website.

I have a theory I'd like to test out. We heard word that delays were because of some legal problems with a producer. What are the odds the legal problems are with Luke? They just had a TBT picture with Michael Beardon and it seems strange to reference a time if it didn't end amicably.

I've been thinking there has to be a reason things just haven't come out after we know they did them. I Got You Babe, the Always walk beside you music video, Lighthouse, his cancelled tour dates not getting rescheduled. Could something be going on that is preventing things from moving forward?

I'm glad you mentioned your theory because I've been thinking about something of that kind myself too for the same reasons. Especially "Lighthouse" not being released when you know Richie's commitment to children's charity gigs and stuff is very strange.

The legal problems seemed to be with Michael Bearden since Roman talked about it when Richie and Ori were working with him (I remember talking about it on this board way back then). But if you check the comments on Ori's recent IG pictures, you'll see only praise and support from Michael Bearden. So now I'm not so sure anymore. Who knows what's going on? We heard about his problems with "the other blonde" and S. Borg but who knows what mess he's been dealing with since he left BJ or even before he left?

Related or not?
- Ori's website was deleted some time ago (it hadn't been updated for years before it disappeared) while Richie's "coming soon" page is still on (via the McGhee Entertainment page)
- can't find any news re/Roman's song co-written with Richie being released + the Peace festival in Moscow that was previously announced as the start of Roman's tour as a supporting act to RSO.

AH, if the producer they mentioned having troubles with was Beardon then a big chunk of my theory goes out the window. The rest is still odd though. I don't think his problems with Nikki would prevent putting literally anything out.

Trouble In Paradise?????


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I never said they did, I just mentioned it as an example of dirty little secrets we don't know about (until one day we do).

I don't think the stuff with Nikki would prevent Richie, legally, from releasing something, if that's what you mean. My impression at the time was that Roman was saying the delays were caused by Richie being "tied up" in dealing with them - like perhaps with court appearances meetings with lawyers, depositions, that kind of thing.

But the Ebbin thing. He hasn't been involved in this project at all, has he? I wonder if there was some falling out between AOTL and this project?

At any rate, I don't remember any of the legal references being tied to music at all - unless Nikki could make some claim that some of it came from the songwriting they did together. Otherwise I think it was all over the threats and Richie's counter suit.

But I've slept since then, too. :roll:

Yes, in 2014 he co-recorded/produced Ori's "Every Road" for her Japan-only greatest hits CD and then we assumed he was working on the RSO album too.
http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/ne...796/page5.html

There's a "black hole" between August and October 2014: Ebbin reheased with Richie and Ori in August but it was Bearden who played with them in October
http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/ne...796/page7.html
and then there was a new "black hole": exit Bearden, enter Bob Rock.


Richie and Ori gave a phone interview before their 2 gigs in Brazil. The new release date is December. People, take note.
http://cultura.estadao.com.br/notici...ra,10000060900

in Google English:
https://translate.google.fr/translat...%2C10000060900

You're the best for putting this all together, thank you. As far as I know there's been nothing on his social media channels about a falling out. I don't know if he was replaced by Michael or had had enough and walked away or what the deal was.

I mean this thread STARTED when Ori said the album will be out in April. Of 2014. So could it be coincidence that all the projects that Richie's camp not only talked about but actually completed couldn't be put out? I don't buy the theory that they're waiting for BJ to put something out but something absolutely has to be happening behind the scenes for money to be put into projects and then abandoned completely.

You're welcome! I do remember we talked about this Ebbin/Bearden episode before and noticed we knew nothing about it.
Ebbin and Richie's former touring band did the Summer 2014 tour but in the fall, they were out of the picture and Bearden was at every show and event with Richie and Ori, which I found quite strange at the time. But none of them talked about it in their media outlets, you're right.

I don't "buy the theory that they're waiting for BJ to put something out" either, it doesn't make sense from a business perspective.
I'm led to believe that there's something that Richie can't control such as contractual obligations or any other legal clause or another act of blackmail that cause all the changes and delays we've been witnessing for 3 years. That's why I alluded to the Lund/Borg case: whatever's going on behind the scenes stays behind the scene... until TMZ reveals it!

Hmm, maybe Jon/BJM is somehow able to hold Richie back from releasing something before the band does? I know it's far fetched, and I seem to remember Jon saying that Richie doesn't even have/need a contract. Still, that thought just popped up in my mind ;-)

When Richie (and the other guys) re-signed the band contract some years ago (I guess every contract last some years, not a lifetime), it could have a limitation not to release a solo project or release it under some terms.

This contract had been broken by Richie in 2013 by leaving. It's a grey area now, maybe these limitations still apply until they sort things out...

But, I have a feeling that Bon Jovi isn't the reason of this big delay in Richie's projects....

I'm 99% sure it has nothing to do with the BJ Machine.
Roman mentioned "problem with R's producer" at a time when Bearden was his producer. And now I also remember a very long interview with Bearden (I posted the link here somewhere) in which he didn't mention Richie or Ori at all when he spoke about his past & current work. It was done and published before Roman's radio interview.

Does Ori read the board? Here's what she instagrammed today (she posted this photo before):

Bearden is in the TBT category on the official RSO IG page:
https://www.instagram.com/rsomusic/


and they're having a Soprano moment over there in Calabasas! :lol:

Just commenting on this. Ori's site was hacked years and years ago, and once it was put back on, it was never updated since. Not touching anything else, and this is all speculation, but I think this could have something to do with the website being part of her abandoned pop career. If you are talking about the old website that is. Perhaps the people behind that, were behind the web site as well. Once she joined Alice Cooper's band that road seemed to have already been abandoned and incidently all this hacking and moving to something else was around the time of releasing Heaven in this Hell.

Or, it could be that people behind the Heaven in this Hell - stage of her career which is the same time as she was with Coops - have abandoned the next website, who knows? She was involved a lot with Dave Stewart, for example, playing on his record and even starring his video girl in a catsuit. Nice video btw if someone hasn't seen it and she rips.

I'm talking about the one that was online in 2014/15. Like Richie, I didn't know Ori before 2014's New Year's Eve.

She's still a close friend of Dave Stewart's. She posted pics of herself at his Nashville home some time ago and he sometimes posts a nice comment on her IT/TWT pages.

I love this Eurythmics-sounding song with a Fellini-inspired video:

I don't think so. I think it's just been a mishmash mess from the start with all the "changes". There is no hurry because I don't think they, as in RSO have a label to push any contract. This is all on his dime. Scuttlebutt (gossip) was they were shopping for a label when they were in Nashville about a year ago and resigned with Doc as Mgr. They had brought her mgm and label into the Coach house show in LA last Sept. They also went from there to NY? Tommy M. has his label but it's indi and I will bet self pay, just provides a way to press, promote and release in an organized fashion. His friend left Dangerbird and went to Electra right before Dangerbird dropped him and again Indi with a split investment when from a business point of view he still had the BJ connection for value. I remember the interview during the AMOL time where he said they dropped him and he really seemed hurt by it. They had Samsung as a promoter in Brazil (they have done all the Best of Blues there) and will be opening for Bad Company so no promoter of their own either. This is a business - and Jon said Richie was not the name on the contract. He may have had an agreement with Jon but that would imo have ended with the tour, or when he failed to show. Have to be an escape clause. His only business connection to BJ now is that quarterly songwriters check when they have airplay or use of material.

Would you, not as a fan but a business, invest your money on them?

Depends on what their new songs sound like. ;)

But who needs a major record company nowadays? BJ because they've been a successful band for 30+ years and it's a huge machine that needs a lot of $$$ to move on but Richie as a solo act, just like Jon as a solo act, can't expect to sell out stadiums so creating his own label or signing with an indi label wouldn't make much difference. All he needs is a deal with a bigger record co. for distribution only. cf the business model used by Little Steven for Darlene Love's album for example:
http://www.billboard.com/articles/bu...even-van-zandt

https://books.google.fr/books?id=1W7...bution&f=false

I think that it'll be easy for RSO to find promoter(s) in Europe, especially in Germany, Holland and Scandinavia (and England ?) where there's a big demand for American r'n'r bands. His 2014 tour was rather successful, wasn't it? Japan and Australia should be easy too.

[QUOTE=Old Joysey;1203489]Depends on what their new songs sound like. ;)

".... used by Little Steven for Darlene Love's album for example:
http://www.billboard.com/articles/bu...even-van-zandt

https://books.google.fr/books?id=1W7...bution&f=false


Didn't realize Steven had a label. Remember the pics of him and RS on that aforementioned NY trip? Hum....... I know Tommy has Sonogram records too. Steven and his wife both posted Birthday wishes to RS - he really doesn't get that many from other artists. NJ family so to speak.
I guess calling their shows in 2014 successful is relative to what they are trying to accomplish. Hard for me to wrap my head around, even if he says otherwise, Richie not missing the big audience. They drew a crowd, more so to the free show but the largest numbers I've seen for him, in Brazil. Most of the social media comments however were about the BJ connection. That may die down especially once BJ starts this next tour. Was shocked on fb to see how many didn't realize that he was gone when they saw the pic today.

Thanks for clarifying that. Anyway, she used to have a website before that, which was the one that was hacked according to her twitter at the time and the "new" website was put up. I am a guitar fan and I followed her more closely at earlier times, originally due to Steve Vai connection she had.

I knew she is still friends with Stewart, but he seemed to be somewhat involved with her career back before the gig with Coops, although to be clear, that is just an impression of mine, not a matter of fact.

Ori is such a sweet girl by all accounts, and everyone she worked with has never had anything but high praise for her. It is a shame she gets so much shit, here. But oh well.

Sure, I'm the one who always post pics with and tweets from Little Steven! ;)
I've been a big Stevie fan since 1979 (1st Jukes album), that's why I know that he's always tried to promote BJ the band and supports the guys individually too (I'm the one who posted the VZs' BD wishes to Richie ;) And I "discovered" BJ because the Jukes told me about the band and "Runaway")
For example, he helped them find gigs in Scandinavia (where he had some connections long before "Lillyhammer") when they were a band nobody knew, he hired them as his back up band for the theme song he wrote for a movie, etc. And he's probably BJ's only support in the R'n'RHOF (Stevie is a member of the Board).





As I said before, I'd love Steve to be Richie's producer. And I can't help thinking that he offered him to release his album on his own label, even though it's a very small one that can't offer much...

I meant "commercially successful" since they were sold-out if what I read was true.

Was not. Only die-hard fans who surf the internet know the whereabouts of the band members, the other ones ("casual fans") only care for the music and shows.

And Ori keeps on posting old pics and her old "studio time" motto:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIwNzjvB...aken-by=theqof

NB: tomorrow night they'll be jammin' with Joe Bonnamassa in a tiny club/bar in LA (cf "the other thread" for details).

Just found what I was looking for. Looks like Dave Stewart discovered her before the Coop:

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guita...etition-591439

+ There are a few articles & pics on DS's website:
http://davestewart.com/category/musi...cing/orianthi/

"They" are spying on us! :eek:
Now Ori's website page says "coming soon" like Richie's whereas yesterday it was a dead link!
http://www.orianthimusic.com/

The Dave Stewart connection was well before Coops. Coops actually first met her in American Idol where Ori was for one reason or another that I can't recall. He asked her to play the riff for School's out which they performed on TV. The story goes - by Alice himself - that he jokingly asked if she wanted to be in the band and she said "yes" straight away. He didn't expect that since that was around the time of According to you and it looked like she might have a pop career. But I take anything Alice says publically with a bathtub full of salt as he is a showman and will say whatever strikes his mood. I don't actually mind that, but since most people here probably don't know him - that story might be true or it just might be something he thought later that "could be true" and makes a nice story. He does that :)

Much later on, late in 2011 Damon Johnson was asked to join Thin Lizzy as a band member as opposed to a hired hand, and Coops called Ori, and she became one of the longer standing members of his touring band. It's a great band, and one of the very best gigs a pro musician can land. She had been playing with Stewart for a good while mostly in Troubadour and f.ex. that single and the video for Girl in a catsuit had been out a while by that time.

Alice tours for about half a year usually, although this year the dreadful Hollywood Vampires have screwed it all up and the old man has been working too hard imo. Anyway that leaves plenty of time for the band members for their own bands and projects, and Ori used to join Stewart in Troubadour every now and then. Here's a clip I like from 2013. She was in a better form than she has been lately.

I have learned....... TY - But I did see the BD tweets on twitter before here. ;-)

As to "commercially successful" I have a few friends who were at several of the shows (10 for one of them) and they said you could buy tickets at the door the nights of except for 2. I forget which 2, I think 1 was London and maybe the last night. Also big difference between 2012 and 2014 shows... but that was well discussed on here.

Didn't Steve Vai "sneak her in"?

I am not completely sure, hut I think that was a different time, and later at that, doing the Stairway to Heaven. She was on American Idol quite a few times, actually, at least four times I can remember right away.

@Orianthi - Now for some more mixing !!
http://oi64.tinypic.com/11lqudf.jpg

Is that Bob Rock sitting in the chair? Whoever it is, he has easily the best haircut in the pic.

Nice to see some signs of life. Hoping to hear this sooner rather than later.

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Indeed.

But I actually stopped waiting for this "actively". I think that's actually a good way to spare myself some nerves ;) There's nothing we can do about this, and when it drops, it drops. And when it does, I'll be instantly ready to hear this stuff :)

I have to admit that I'm kinda jealous to see Richie working with Bob and not Jon... what would be cool is a joint effort between the two (Shanks and Rock for different tracks and sounds)... although Bob doesn't come cheap. I think he's more of a Richie fan than Jon...

TBH, if the picture was just Bob and Richie, I might actually be excited but she is just completely turning me off to this entire project... The second I hear her voice on a song, I'm going to throw up... That I got you babe clip was awful...

After HAND, Jon said that John is going to be doing all he albums going forward and he wasn't lying about that... I'd just love to see Jon in the studio with Bob Rock.

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Haha, good deal Manbour! I generally do the same, but THINFS has gotten me excited for new music, and reminded me how much I enjoyed AOTD.

I'm actually most happy to see Richie looking happy and healthy. Last time I checked in was when we got video of him and Orianthi coming out of some building and him looking strung out.

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She also had up pics with Robby Krieger at the house - said came to dinner and laid down some tracks for their record - or something close to that. So, still recording.

Of course I'm very looking forward to the new album, as Richie's solo work has proven to be very good (for me)! Especially with Bob Rock on board, I think they have a lot of potential there. (But that's probably nothing new for most people here).

But I guess all the delays and (legal?) issues and so on might have led to such a let's call it "fatalistic" attitude.

Yes, Bob Rock is producing and playing on the album that will be released when it will be released.



Richie and Ori were fimed for Oprah's show: