Are you for real?

I've just had the same thought...

Richie has done some amazing stuff, especially Stranger, but calling all of his work a masterpiece would be similar to saying that all Jovi songs from the 80's or 90's were pure masterpieces. They aren't and Richie's stuff isn't, either. In fact, I personally regard half of Undiscovered Sould and half of Aftermath as filler stuff.

Aside from about 5 songs, I can't even listen to his stuff.

That makes 3 or 4 of us. Some of Richie's good stuff is very good but in my opinion there just isn't very much of it. And the live stuff I have heard recently can be summed up (by me) by saying "he tries too damn hard". He overplays everything as if he's trying to be noticed. He's too old for that and he should know that he's better than that.

Oh well, actually I was just joking. I don't even like the whole BJ catalogue and there is no artist I would love just everything about. Recently I've been actually listening to a set of like 20 songs on the loop and that's it. Now I'm trying to (re)discover other music than BJ so it makes it more fresh and me less obsessed. Don't worry, I don't worship anyone in this band, I just enjoy the music.

It's kind of funny that my words have caused such an uproar. It feels like I almost said something ridiculously scandalous and digged a corpse out of the grave. I'm sorry. I didn't even mean it that serious.

To state an opinion and then take it back because the majority doesn't agree with you... and then, justify taking it back by saying that you don't even know the songs, is kind of amateurish...

Everyone is welcomed to post here but you are dealing with diehards... Now that you admit to only knowing a fraction of the catalog and liking only 20 songs, you are limiting yourself to conversation... And more so, not going to be taken serious...

I AM a newbie. Two years in the fandom is like nothing, yet still trying to catch up on fast and furious. I love the band and the fandom, still have lots to learn. Actually, as a person who's not a native speaker and not a long time fan, I feel fairly comfortable and enjoy the music. The fandom is not easy to please, this is what I've noticed, still I want to be a part of it as it comes along. I LOVE Richie and his solo stuff speaks to my heart, whatever it is, but truth to be told, I don't worship him. I know the guy has his weaknesses, I don't want to defend im to no end. He doesn't need it anyway, he's class in its own and whoever follows him, will do it anyway. I just want to say that I enjoy being a part of the fandom as I can always learn something new from you and I appreciate your opinions, having the freedom to express my own, too. No hard feelings, really. Thank you for your effort, I love the place:)

You are showing lots of humility here, that's a great sign! That's not usually the case on Jovitalk with many new members who come here as delusional fanboys/fangirls and can't handle their precious idols being criticized.

Give it a year or two and you too will become a high-demanding mostly-miserable Bon Jovi die-hard like the rest of us ;)

thank you:) and I hope I'll stay as humble as I am now 'cause Jon and the band are giving us more than we can hope for and that's a lot to be thankful for!

That's the way I look at it. They could have called it quits, but just gave us a new CD with 18 songs, 19 if you get a different version. That's like 2 albums of yesteryear. They are touring again. I'm going to take every moment I can and enjoy it because it won't last forever.

this! and I'm definitely enjoying myself :)

Im still really excited for the album ! Im having doubts that it will ever be released though .... I hate when people get on here and bag the shit out of Richie , but that's their opinion and they are entitled to it . Richie is sloppy live now i guess and Jons voice is embarrassingly bad , but i still love and respect them both for what they have accomplished over the years. They will always be the soundtrack to my life ;)

OMG, THIS!!

(I think I love you!) :D

*joins in* That's the attitude!

But but but but um....WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?????

On a serious note, that's very true. They both have given us so much over the years and both now completely suck live. Even if it's for completely different reasons, it's almost poetic how both of them declined so dramatically pretty much at the same time.

Honestly, it's fine. RD takes his stress out on this forum by preying on those he doesn't agree with. Don't take him seriously, and you'll be fine - most don't :)

SPOT ON remark...it truly is worth mentioning how 2 guys with great talent and chemistry lost the magic being on theor own..
jon wouldnt be able to sing great if richie came back but still the definition of a great band is a sum greater than its individuals parts

**PERSONAL OPINION**

I'm not altogether sure that it is for completely different reasons. Different manifestations of the same reason perhaps, and different coping skills, for sure; but I think the underlying reason is the same: they need each other - and they both know it.

Jon needs Richie to be at his best. Richie needs Jon to be at his best. Bon Jovi needs Jon and Richie to be at their best.

Yin. Yang. Dark. Light. Jon. Richie.

That's all. :cool:

Needing someone to be your best does not qualify as a reason to suck. Not in my book.

The real reasons are different:
Jon - never learned to maintain his instrument unlike a proper singer
Richie - never learned to manage his lifestyle unlike a proper celebrity.

So I guess one could say the reason is similar that it's a lack of discipline for both; but I again that's very different levels of discipline and I feel these are apples and oranges.

And that's exactly why I qualified my comments as a personal opinion. ;)

"You write your truth and I'll write mine."

I guess you have not had a chance to look at Becky's review of the Memphis show from last night, but it won't matter to you because your opinion won't change, right?

The Richie Sambora & Orianthi album
 

I did see Becky's post and I'm happy for her, but why should my opinion be changed because she loved the show? I have my own standards for what I consider a good performance from Jon and Richie.

If you think a movie sucked, would you chang your mind if I said it's my favorite?

"It's not a given that you're going to be good. It's will power. You have the opportunity to suck every second, you chose not to. It's a choice."

David Bryan

In your previous post you said the real reasons Jon and Richie suck today is that Richie never learned to manage his lifestyle and Jon never learned to maintain his instrument. I won't argue that, although those reasons would also share the same underlying cause, i.e., they made mistakes. It happens. Sometimes it happens over and over again. You can call it a lack of self-discipline, or irresponsibility, or just not giving a damn. At this moment in history, it doesn't matter what you call it because neither you nor they can change the past.

Richie can't go back and undrink the alcohol or unmake the choices he made. Jon can't unsmoke the cigarettes he smoked or re-sing all the notes he sang improperly because he didn't use a better technique. What's done is done. All they can do now is avoid making more poor choices.

This isn't meant to challenge your right to have your own standards of performance from Jon and Richie. That's entirely your prerogative. But I will say this: If your standards are based on how much better Jon and Richie could be if they had never made mistakes in the past, I'm afraid you'll be disappointed with them from now on. No matter how much people bitch about it, they can't unscramble an egg. The best they can do at this point is turn it into an omelet. :)

I also agree that needing someone in order to be your best doesn't qualify as 'a reason to suck' - if by 'reason' you mean 'a justification for' or ' an excuse'. I'm not excusing past (or current) behaviors. But I still think that needing someone can be 'a reason to suck' when 'reason' is defined as 'a trigger' or 'a precipitating factor'. I've seen depression, insecurity, and stress (just to mention a few side-effects that can result from unexpected change) cause too many brilliant people to self-destruct or turn in less than their best performances. And while it's true that Jon's vocal issues and Richie's erratic performances have been problematic for years, the sudden and rapid decline in both since April 2013 is too coincidental for me to believe that it wasn't caused by the split.

When I said 'the best' I didn't mean the best they have ever been or the best they would be in a perfect world. I meant the best they can be at this point in their lives, warts and all. Because, frankly, that's the only realistic expectation we can have. And in my opinion, the odds of either of them achieving a personal best increase exponentially when they are working together instead of separately.

Given what we know about the current state of affairs, I may be reaching for the stars, too. But at least this is a choice they could make in the present. It's something they can change without having the ability to travel through time for a do-over.

Very very true .

Jackie, beautifully said! I do agree.

I've stumbled upon richiesambora.com today and this big headline at the top of the page announcing 'New Website Coming Soon!' made me chuckle. The guy just loves leaving things hanging in the air. A true magician indeed! :D

It's been that way for a while.

According to the wayback machine at least December of 2015, replacing the preview and coming soon of "I got you babe".

Anybody see this? Had to be kind of awkward... sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place. Didn't see any other thread

https://twitter.com/rollingstone/sta...51654783881221

God for me this proves Richie on guitar on Wanted is the only way it should be ... thats bad english isnt it .... you get what I mean... I see something like this and I really do wonder how much longer it will be untill him and Jon perform together again

Why awkward?

Here's the link to the full clip that was posted over on the YT thread, btw, in case you didn't see it:

https://youtu.be/5FRaqjk3324


And on the backup vocals. Nobody does it better, imo. Not even close.

"The new album will be on Spotify VERY soon" in Orianthi's words. I for one can't wait, even if it will be most probably a couple of months yet ;)

I'm excited about it, too.

The friend who emailed me a screenshot of Ori's message said, "well, we know 'soon' can be anytime between tomorrow and next Christmas ..." :)

But whenever they're ready to release it, I'm ready to listen to it.

The RSO album is the new Chinese Democracy

Hopefully not another WAN

This.

+100000000000000

I miss the JBJ+RS harmonies.

As happy as I am that Richie and Orianthi will soon have new music, I would feel more comfortable that Richie be the one giving the updates, seems that Orianthi is more like a representative, representing Richie, IDK, it just seems weird that Richie hasn't said really anything recently, maybe I'm just overanalyzing LOL.

I think you are, it seems to be a team effort and team release. Frankly she has a much better handle on social media than he tends to but I assume it's a marketing company or third party. Either way since it has both of their names I don't think it's weird she's updating people.

I dont see this being released anytime soon.
Its been finished for ages - Eddie Trunk said he has heard a few from it and that was ages ago.
Maybe labels just aren't interested.