I honestly don’t understand that you guys can listen to this crap. I’ve tried to listen to them, but it’s so shitty. I skipped to the next song within 30 seconds. You can’t call this good music, cause simply - it isn’t.

Let me second that

So you've listened to 30 seconds of each song and decided it was crap. :rolleyes:
Sounds to me like you'd already made up your mind...

Music is subjective. What some people like, others hate. Too many people here seem to think that their opinions are indeed fact.

That must be why their concerts are sold out and the sales numbers are through the roof.

If this wasn't Richie Sambora, would anyone really care and force themselves to like the new material?

Richie and Ori don't work as a music duo. The songs are average at best. Live performances are a mess.

Richie's solo concerts even as late as 2014 were as close as you could get to a real Bon Jovi concert (like the old days). I'm glad I got to witness a glimpse of the greatness while it was still there.

Nowadays it's just sad the only option left is either Bon Jovi the band with a bunch of hired guns and an awful singer or RSO which nobody really knows what it is. Neither is the music I love or want to hear.

I don't give a damn if it is subjective or not. Those are the facts to me.

And that sums it up perfectly for me.

And this is absolutely right. That's exactly what subjective means. The facts to you! Not to everyone. I have no problem with that. You are entitled to your opinion, completely, as am I. Just because I enjoy something or hate something, I don't expect everyone else to feel the same...

To tell other people that "You can’t call this good music, cause simply - it isn’t." is just plain silly. What is crap to one person could be amazing to another. Not everyone's taste is the same. I don't get how that is so difficult for some people to understand.

To some people Bon Jovi suck and have never done a good song. They are not wrong, that's just their opinion.

Not really! Usually when something is great, the majority likes it...

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RD that absolute rubbish. It doesn't even make sense is relation to the quote that people have different tastes....

No one hearing it is another story but the majority of the people that have heard it in the above situation are extremely disappointed....

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You mean like people that listen to the first 30 seconds of each song! :mrgreen:

I honestly don't care how many people do or don't like the RSO EPs. I just don't like being told what I can and can't like.

I think the first is OK and the second is good. I'm entitled to my opinion...

Has anyone told you that you can't like it? I don't think so. But I can express my bewilderment how some people can like something that I dislike.

It's not a judgement that my opinion is correct and their opinion is wrong.

I think you just misunderstood Thierry's post. It's a phrase, not a command.

He's not forbidding you to call it good music. He could have said: "This can't be considered good music..." You wouldn't take that as a command, would you?

just saw the gig Rso did for namm 2018, 45 mins - 8 songs - only one from the 2 rso eps...
i end up telling mainly negative stuff about the rso project but it is so directionless and uninspired...richie keeps acting weird, trying to be a frontman but he acts weird and akward to say the least...he also tries to direct the band and he just confuses them.
in a live gig mistakes happen but this whole project has zero chances of success, no tight performances, no rehearshals, all over the place performances. nowdays with all the social media and exposure people can identify if someone is genuine and loves what he does or if he feels he is the rockstar who doesnt really try anymore...
Richie should take an acoustic guitar and write a couple of songs true to him, he cant back the whole rock n roll star and sadly makes a foll of himself.

ps. i ve listened to the two eps again yesterday and some of the songs like magic or together on the outside sound pleasant but sth is missing for sure imo

It's sad, but you're totally right...the whole project makes no sense at all. However, talking about acoustic stuff, the songs off the eps performed live acousticly are actually listenable and interesting. There's two great guitar players and good singers, why the hell don't they want to show it?

Love this sound, they just have to improve and have more security to play their new songs.

better than back in the days _ but still aweful

Message from doodleedledoo says it all

I hate to be that guy, but this is awful for professionals. Musically they have little sense of dynamics, Orianthi sounds good as a guitar player but she's got the same problem as Sambora, neither of them ever pull back or shut up. It's just an unrelenting wail fest, even when the sax player is soloing. They sound like they've been listening to each other as soloists 'cause they both seem to follow the same pattern; a few wailing pentatonic bits and then a widdley widdley bit. They're playing like a decent, from the middle of nowhere, cover band. That metal like version of One Way Out, added nothing new, special, personal, nothing, just a cheap fast food version of the Allmans. Same with Pride & Joy. Some songs not good for her range, they can both sing and play but it just needs to be reeled in if they're going to try to make anything of this partnership. They might think, "it's only Rock and Roll, lighten up" but I say, you can't afford to throw it away in these days. You need to be tight, concise and authentic on some level. I wanted to like their partnership but I can't. I'm embarrassed for them.

Well, I really enjoyed that performance, Richie's vocals are actually in great shape now. I agree that they need to pull back in the soloing a little, but not much. It's far from the wail fest that "doodleedledoo" suggests. He also called Pride and Joy a "metal version" which is ridiculous....

It's amusing that people complain that there are not enough guitars on the EPs and then when they play live their is too much. Another perfect example of how they can do no right with some people... :rolleyes:

I do wish that they would cut down the covers and play more of their own stuff. I wonder if one of the EPs will be a covers EP and that's why we haven't got I Got You Babe on any of the releases yet? Having said that I thought Pride and Joy was great and nice to see an upbeat Bluesier number in the set!

There are clearly some edits between songs, so I wonder if this is the full set list or not?

The lack of rehearsals were the main criticism of their early performances and it sounds to me like that have finally addressed this, as the band seemed pretty tight, so it's heading in the right direction as far as I'm concerned...

Instrumentally, it's a mess.

Vocally, however, this is the best Richie has sounded since 2013.

This drummer is the one that used to play with them in the past?

If it is, yes, the rehearsal made results. If it's not, finally they manage to got a better drummer.

The bass player is good to and has presence.

I think the problem with the "too much guitar" is because they keeping solos that leads nowhere. But apart from this, I liked. Richie voice is very good. I just don't take why he keeping doing that ugly face all the time :mrgreen:

Don’t get it. Why so many covers when they have new material? They are surely trying to promote RSO yet barely play their own songs.

Richie sounds great but he’s just awkward as a frontman. The LYHOM intro is pure JBJ. Counterproductive when he’s trying to break away from the Bon Jovi sideman label to literally copy what the frontman of said band has done for years. Think of something new.

Also, the soloing is mostly shit. It’s repetitive, uninspiring and often just a mess.

People need to realise that they are getting scrutinised (as Jon does persistently vocally) because they are seasoned, talented musicians serving up average, chaotic live shows. It’s not a witch hunt. He sounds great. Much better than Jon. But the rest is just a mess.


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Just cos they make sweet music between the sheets dont mean they are good together writing songs.
What ive heard so far is utter dirge (even worse than new Bon Jovi material and thats saying something!) and reports of them cancelling shows and when they do finally have a show its sloppy proves this.

Did Richie really leave Bon Jovi for this? Clearly thinking with his d1ck again which has always been an issue for him.

He and (probably) she are so much better than this but together it just dont work.

He didn’t meet Orianthi until after he left Bon Jovi. When he left Bon Jovi, he was into “jamming with fabric” and Nikki Lund.

He just makes terrible decisions via booze and his knob

Richie also said, specifically, that neither Nikki nor "jamming with fabric" had anything to do with why he left the tour.

The problem is that every time Richie was reported doing anything, after he left, that became the new "reason". Soon people were saying they had lost count of how many excuses he had given and that he was always contradicting himself. Fact is, until the end of 2013, when he said that he needed to be home with Ava, the only reasons that Richie had alluded to were in a tweet about personal business and in a red carpet statement that he and Jon "just aren't happening" (after which, he diplomatically closed the door to any further questions by saying "the band's like a family; and family business stays in the family"; a technique that some people apparently haven't mastered yet).

Since he left, people have attributed Richie with giving everything from "creative freedom" (and implying that Jon was holding him back) to "jamming with fabric" to forming a duo with a woman he didn't meet until nearly a year after his departure, and anything else he may have mentioned in interviews, as his "reason" for leaving. But other than personal business and the statement about him and Jon, and band business, the only reasons he has given are needing to be home with Ava and when it came time to leave he just couldn't make himself go out the door (paraphrased from memory). None of those contradicts the others and could all very reasonably be tied together as part of THE reason, which Richie has since said he "ain't telling."

Even with the one reason he has stated repeatedly, people have tried to make him out to be a liar, because he said he needed to be with Ava, at the time, and he has since made numerous relatively short trips away from home. Over the past five years, since he first made the statement, Ava has grown from a 15-year-old, about to begin testing her independence, into a young woman who is no longer a teenager and is pretty much out on her own. I doubt Richie ever felt he needed to be at Ava's side 24/7/365, but probably wanted to be more available, and with more flexibility, than a typical Bon Jovi tour would have allowed.

Whatever happened, and for whatever reason he's not with the band now - whether it was his decision, or Jon's, or by mutual agreement - I think it's unrealistic for fans to think he's not going to make music anymore; but it's definitely a stretch to assume that anything we've heard is what he left Bon Jovi to do.

IMO, it's another question of cause and affect. Did he find something he'd rather be doing and decide not to return to the band? Or did he fall into something that he settled for because he had planned to rejoin Bon Jovi when things were worked out and that never happened? My guess is more in line with the latter, but to each his own.

I think Jon's reaction on Howard summed it up perfectly. Richie's head is a mess and it sound like he never really got a real grip on his drug issues...

When Howard started with that "too much time on the road BS" (Jon must have been rolling his eyes) because Howard then turned to Jon and said "What? You're not buying it?"... That's when Jon said "One day Richie will tell his story"

There was also another part when Jon said "Richie has issues"

Look, I don't know if Richie's using on and off. Certain drugs could have long term effects, even when you stop using. None of us are blind and naive to Richie's odd behaviors over the past few years... You don't need to be an excerpt to see the big picture and within each interview / performance, more and more becomes evident...

Richie Sambora is a train wreck and is currently in a dark place. Hopefully one day he figures it all out..

Aloha !

No, the problem is that you can't seem to connect the dots as to why he left. Everyone on this board seems to understand just fine how Richie's statement in regards to being home was bullshit and a cover up for the bigger issues.

You, however, have spend so many posts on disecting everyone's thoughts and issues in regards to the split for the sole reason to wipe Richie's slate clean. Whenever someone's there to bitch about Richie's sillyness you carefully ignore all the shit he got involved with and/or subsequently turn it into some "Richie is the victim here".

After the split, the first statement to go out was Richie needing to be home with his daughter. We all knew it was bogus. Then there's a total lack of communication, then there's bogus press from a b-list TMZ reporter, then there's shitty interviews in which he clearly stated he wanted to have a life. And thus more time for other projects, much like "Jamming with Fabric". Then there's small digs towards Bon Jovi's poppy direction, then there's the "I wanted more freedom" because I was a leadsinger too, then there's the "jamming" on stage, there was more "jamming" on stage, there's the many drunk performances, the slurring on stage, the failed side projects, many, many mistakes while playing songs, all the lyrics he forgot, the cancelled shows, the lack of new material, more "jamming" on stage turned into pointless noodling, rotating band members, the missed ques, the many delayed release dates... The list is endless nowadays. For every little high there's a few bigger lows.

But yeah, it's clearly the fans perception being the problem here and thus we wind up post number whatever-the-**** on how everyone's so wrong in regards to Richie's departure. We get it, you like Richie. We don't. We all think he's a **** up. A hero to zero. He's a multimillionaire who can buy pretty much all the help he can get to get his shit together and yet pissed all over everyone's fans hopes and admiration. He's a has-been who's thrown all credibility away for the sole reason to booze a bit too much after the pain got too much to bear. Boohoo. And until he's got himself sorted out, apologizes, admits he was full of shit, he deserves no back up from anyone.

But yeah, I am having a great day. :D

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Richie disapointed many of us since he left in numerous ocassions, he has to find himself because he doesnt seem focused, inspired or anything.

Exactly this - plus as Steel Horse said he thinks with the wrong body parts. Alcohol is especially the great deceiver - it convinces the user that they are better, great, can do anything so long as liquid courage and chemical creativity remains. That Lie is very hard to Overcome. Robin Williams said he was afraid of sobriety, because he might lose his edge only to find he was better.

Plus, when people are surrounded by "yes" people, it's a tragedy waiting. Most people believe Elvis was "yes to death". If you don't think RS is - look at social media, it's very clear IF you Want to see it. (Even what's deleted is out there) Wealth with addiction unfortunately brings enablers, fellow users and makes rock bottom a long way down. Some damage becomes irreversible. It makes me furious and breaks my heart at the same time - he was at one time the best. Jon said one day he may tell his story but there have been so many inaccuracies, inconsistencies and telling "his story" just in the last few years - I'm not sure "I'll" believe.

Couple of sayings I learned in dealing with addicts that are both true: "An alcoholic is an Ego-Maniac with an Inferiority Complex." and "If You Want to find Out Who Your True Friends Are - Get Sober." Or go broke - the circle gets small.

Whilst once again everyone is on it... I have never given an opinion on him leaving but... was thinking about it the other day... I think he missed the Calgary show because he got pissed up, fell off the wagon whatever and Jon just couldn't take it anymore... "thank you for your patience"... that said its been 5 years, Im digging Phil X live (moments on the SA leg of the tour sealed it for me) and lyrically I really like THINFS record... That doesn't mean I dont miss Sambora.. Wanted live will NEVER be the same... Im not really digging his stuff with his misses, Id much rather he went solo... Roll on the Rock hall induction!

Which begs the question: Why would Jon think there would be any reason for Richie to do that if we all already know the whole story?

Including me. I just don't assume that I know all the reasons behind it.

It's the respectful thing to say... And I agree that it should come from Richie... There is a story to be told here and Jon dismissing false rumors isn't it...

Jon has been doing a great job keep his opinions to himself regarding the matter...

Howard brought it up and started playing the poor Richie card... Jon dismissed it...

Richie's odd behavior and sloppiness fills in the rest...

Sorry Jackie!!!

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I don't like it when people try to make discussions about me and my opinions, but Seb, you are wrong on so many counts that I'm not sure where to begin. I'll give it a shot, though, because I don't like to let incorrect statements stand unchallenged. Call it a pet peeve.

1. I can connect dots with the best of them. I just prefer my "dots" to be based on what people have actually said or things that can be proven, rather than a bunch of assumptions about what I think may have happened.

2. You seem to think that I am the one exception to "everyone on this board" who is smart enough to understand that Richie needing to be home was BS and a cover for bigger issues. On the contrary, I have said many times that Ava was obviously a politically correct or 'acceptable' smokescreen to cover up the real reason Richie left. The difference is that, unlike many on this board, I don't pretend to know what the "real" reason was; and I'm not overly fond of playing guessing games to "come up" with a reason based on what someone else has said or my own assumptions.

3. I challenge you to prove that I have ever tried to wipe Richie's slate clean, or that I have ever said that the reason he left isn't because of addictions, or because he's a mess, or that fans were "wrong" about any other reason they came up with. However, I will admit to questioning the "facts" they use to arrive at those conclusions. For example, I'm still waiting for you to tell me which 2010 leg it was that Richie flaked out on. You seemed pretty sure about it, iirc; but I swear, I've looked and I still haven't found any public information on it. And, in this particular case, Richie categorically denied that he left the band to jam with fabric; and it couldn't have been because he had the hots for Ori because they hadn't met yet, so I feel fairly comfortable in saying that if people believe that either of those is the reason he left, they're probably mistaken. I maintain that just because he commented on something in interviews, like many of your examples, that doesn't necessarily mean that it had anything to do with why he left. It could have; but it also may not. We dont know.

You should be able to understand that, since you don't seem to believe that any of those examples had anything to do with the real reason he left, either. Again, the only difference is that I don't pretend to know what the real reason is and you seem to think that you do. I don't have a problem with your opinion, or anyone else's, for that matter. "Everyone on this board" could be right. As I said, my only pet peeve is the incorrect statements or faulty memories that some of the assumptions are based on. Granted, like others, you may have connections and may breathe the rarified air that I don't have access to, and perhaps your assumptions are based on facts from that realm. I'm unfortunately limited to what has been published and what the principals have been quoted as saying. So I like to keep that much straight.

4. I appreciate your acknowledgement that my annoying comments about Richie usually occur "whenever there's someone to bitch about his sillyness". (So, you see, there IS a fix for that; I'm sure you can figure out what that might be. But I have to say that it might be a little one-sided, since it seems that you don't have a problem with people repeatedly bitching and saying the same negative things over and over about Richie. The problem seems to come in only when I repeatedly point out errors of fact, because you think I'm trying to wipe the slate clean.) I hate to disappoint you, but I have ignored nothing in Richie's behavior. I don't deny the truth in many of your examples. I certainly don't try to turn him into a victim. I don't pretend that he hasn't made some major mistakes on and off stage - now or in the past. And I don't believe that you or anyone else can show examples of where I did.

But I also don't let those mistakes or my disappointment define him or assume that that's all there is to him, any more than I let the fact that Jon spins like a top define him, regardless of what some people think. They're human beings, and people just aren't usually that one-dimensional. If that's how you choose to define people, go for it! I'll continue taking people for the complex creatures they are, warts and all.

5. I realize that some of this will be repetitious, since I covered most of it in my original post; but your press timeline is a little off. After he left the tour, the very first public statement, from Richie, was a tweet the next day, stating that he was okay and that he had to stay in LA "to take care of some personal business." Later that day TMZ reported that "sources" informed them that Richie left because of money and Jon's treatment of him. At no time did TMZ say that their sources included, or had even spoken with, Richie, so that could have come from anyone. The next public statement from Richie, iirc, was June 29 on the Genlux red carpet with Nikki, where he made the statement about Jon and band business. During that interview he did say that while he had been off the road he had been working on fashion and using that time to be with his daughter; but he didn't say those were the reasons he left. But when asked about why he left and the stumbling blocks to his return, he said, "I can't say... it's not for me to say. The band's like a family and family issues should stay in the family."

I believe that the first time that Ava was actually given as a reason was in November of 2013.

And it was 2014, I believe, before he started making noise about creative freedom, bla bla bla, and that was in promo interviews for his solo shows when he was asked about his music and how it was different as solo act.


With all that, I will say you did get one thing right. I do like Richie. But although I think your "we all" might be a slight exaggeration, it's actually immaterial to me whether you like him or not, or under what conditions. Because if you go back and read the original post, I think you'll find that I only pointed out that people assume reasons for why Richie left that he never actually stated were reasons.

That's all. Not that I think anyone is wrong about why he left. Not that people are wrong to think he's a ****-up. Not that everyone, or anyone, should support him. None of that's my call. I just pointed out that he denied that he left to jam with fabric and he hadn't met Ori so he didn't leave Bon Jovi "to do this". Oh, and that some people wouldn't accept the one reason that he did give (smokescreen that it probably was) just because he made several trips away from home over the next 4-1/2 years.

If you have a problem with me pointing out errors in things that are stated as fact, take it up with people who don't bother to get their "facts" straight. And you might start by getting your facts straight about what I have and have not said in my 'whatever-the-**** posts' because you seriously missed the mark on that.

Or you could always just look for the ignore button.

No need to apologize. When it's all said and done it's nothing but speculation, anyway.

Which is fine, but someone with that frame of mind is always going to look for the negatives in someone, where as someone who does like Richie will look for the positives. Same as Jon lovers and haters. They shouldn't be persecuted for this. It constantly happens on here and I for one am sick of it. We are all allowed to have opinions that differ.

Like I said, I enjoyed the NAMM footage, I think it shows a great improvement and his voice sounded really good! Everyone should be ok with that and not feel the need to attack Richie and those that follow him every time that we say something positive about him. Just like I'm ok with you if you didn't like it. It's all good. I do wonder how many people commenting here actually watched it though? i'm sick and tied of going over the reasons why he left Bon Jovi, etc, etc. Happy to discuss the new footage and songs, for better or worse. But he left the band 5 fricking years ago. Do we really need to keep going over and over the same old shit....I'm over it, but a lot of people clearly never will be...

It's not speculation Jackie... This isn't a court of law where someone is innocent until proven guilty... It's common sense... It's been 5 years... Enough has been said and enough has been seen to complete the puzzle...

This entire board sees it and knows it yet you are in some type of denial... Thanks why I'm sorry...

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We get that Jackie but this isn't three years ago anymore... This is five and most of those reason were crafted from your conspiracies... Jon's interview on Howard really filled in the blanks...

All those 'new reasons' you speak about could have been real problems within the band. No one is saying that Jon and Richie's relationship was always sunshine and rainbows but I don't think they warranted enough for Richie to just walk off the way he did...

When you walk off like that, it's much deeper and Jon filled that void on Howard.... The End



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Jon didn't say anything on Howard that hadn't already been said, stop acting like he made some ground breaking statement and dished the dirt.

As someone that has followed the band for many many years, I don't understand how anyone can believe that the band will ever air their dirty laundry in public. yes, we can piece together bits and pieces from what has been said, but we will never ever know the full story...only the guys in the band (and their inner circle) will...anyone that thinks otherwise doesn't really know this band at all...

If someone wants to know my opinion on the matter is this; Jon pressured Richie and the boys to record an album (rolleyes) and a tour of more than 100 shows to buy a football team, Jon rushed, and Richie would not agree (maybe) because it cost him a lot to keep up with the The Circle tour 2010-2011, so there were discussions, and tensions on both sides until the thing broke out in Calgary.
All that about the problems with alcohol does not sound believable to me (Even if he was in the drink, that was not the reason ), he posted some positive things and was fine with Ava on vacation, and the first leg of tour Richie was sensational, but sometimes you could feel that there were tensions between Richie and Jon.



Richie has always been undervalued in his solo work, this is not new, it was always like that, but there was respect. The striking thing is that since he left the band, now there is contempt, and it is getting bigger, no matter what he does.

It's amazing how the fans cling to a word or note in which Jon gets to sing decent in a mediocre performance, to proclaim that there is hope and is still doing very well, and yet Richie does everything absolutely wrong.

People do not realize that both can do what they want, I think that at this point I even see it necessary, for better or for worse, and we can only do one thing, get the positive and negative things out of all this. I do it, and that is why I am trying to squeeze everything that these two individuals throw into the light.

Some only decide to stay with the positive of one, and the negative of another, well, they are free with their tastes and opinions, but there are also people who try to enjoy both jobs and sometimes it is uncomfortable that everything is diverted to the starting point , for one is "after the departure of Richie is a drunk" blah blah blah ... and for others it is "Jon lost his voice" blah blah blah ....

I think both jobs have enough positive and negative things that have nothing to do with "their current voice" or "keep drinking" and I think it would be interesting to go ahead with that.

100% agreed. Richie was really on fire in the first leg of the tour. I remember that we were here commenting that he looked very well (in shape) and playing very well too, and why Jon's was standing glued in the mic.

Of course he has his problem with alchool and drugs, but that was not the main reason at that time. At least not for me.

There must have been an insane amount of tension - just watch their behaviour on the BBC radio 2 gig from January 2013. They were both pretty gutted of each other there.

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