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There's video footage of Hugh saying he did in an interview. The rest....I mean it SOUNDS like them but odds are the drum, keys and bass were done towards the end. I hear Shanks's style of playing all over it but I hear tons of Richie too. Watered down, uninspired playing but it's there.
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But you're right about it being 5 years. So why do people keep bringing it up? As Seb astutely noted, all it takes for me to post number whatever-the-**** it is, is for someone to start bitching about it. So if everybody is tired of the rehashing that occurs, why do people start it up? For that matter, why does JON keep bringing it up? As you say, it's old news. And please, spare me the Jon-doesn't-bring-it-up-it's-the-reporters-who-do-that justifications. I mean, hell, Richie knows how to move reporters on from what he doesn't think is an appropriate discussion. Do you mean to tell me that you believe Richie can handle reporters and their questions better, and with more diplomacy, than Jon can? I have to say, that opinion would surprise me. You're also right that it isn't a court of law. And it's a damn good thing for you guys that it isn't. If it were, about three thirds of what Jon has said about this situation over the last 5 years would be thrown out as immaterial, irrelevant, prejudicial, and self-contradicting. And what "everyone on this board" knows to be fact would be ruled as inadmissible, because it's nothing more than assumptions based on hearsay and observations of behaviors which could, in fact, have any number of underlying causes. Besides which, at least in a U.S court of law, since Richie has yet to tell his side of the story, the case couldn't be closed anyway. Not that any of that matters to me. The belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty is one of my core values. As far as I'm concerned, that principle applies whether I'm in a court of law or not. Does any of that make the conclusions drawn by "everyone on this board" wrong? Absolutely not. I have never said they are. You and "everyone" else might be 100% correct. I don't deny that. I don't even disagree with a lot of what you all say. I just acknowledge the fact that there is also a possibility that your conclusions could just as easily prove to be 100% inaccurate. My bet is that the truth lies somewhere in between those extremes. Because "common sense" also tells us that things are seldom as they seem on the surface and that the majority isn't always right (or always wrong), simply because they're the majority. Quote:
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If Richie was serving up fantastic live shows and actually showcasing his talent I think fewer people would harp on about the possible reasons why he left. It’s human nature to question why when the answers are unknown. Everyone on this board makes assumptions in life. This is no different.
I don’t particularly like the guy these days but I don’t have to in order to like his music. His personality is irrelevant if he writes fantastic songs. Same with the live shows. If they’re great, I’d go and see them because it’s the music and the performance I’m paying for, not him as a person. I’m baffled that people actually think there’s a witch hunt against RS. He’s rightly being criticised for things and rightly praised for others. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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2. So okay, if you want to "pretend" this is a court of law. Richie has told his side of the story and represented himself which is (as most drug addicts would do) full of lies, misrepresented facts, and odd behavior. Jon has told his side which is "not about money, never had a fight, etc" and even swore on a stack of bibles... So there are facts Jackie!!! You don't need the Defendant to admit the crime. You just need 12 public jurors to convict them... Obviously Jovi Talk is not a court of law and we are not jurors looking for a unanimous decision, we can go with the vast majority... When Jon said that Richie needs to tell his side of the story, he means that Richie needs to "tell the truth" Look, I'm sure they've had some creative differences or whatever but if Richie had a straight mind, he would have finished the tour. Not ruin a 30 year professional and personal relationship. The reason why Richie Sambora is where he is, is because of Jon Bon Jovi!!!! If it wasn't for Jon, he might be licking Gene Simmons' ass right now... 3. You say "I would never want to turn anything into a political discussion" but guess what? You just did!!! First, comparing Richie Sambora's drug issues to Donald Trump aren't really one in the same. Second, if 2 people don't agree on a political topic, it doesn't mean that every unrelated topic after needs to follow that same fate... The same people can agree and disagree on various topics so you're not really making any sense there unless you are looking for excuses to get off topic because you know you are losing this battle... Third, it's okay to not like Trump and think he's crazy or whatever... I do get where Trump is coming from. Trump's personality is very much like a Howard Stern. There is a lot of sarcasms in there but at the end of the day, I actually do believe he cares. It took Howard 35 years for people to like him and I think Trump will get there within the next SEVEN years... But regardless, I could accept people not liking him... However, lets not deny the fact that within Trumps first year: 1. ILLEGAL Immigration has already been cut in half even without the wall 2. It's getting increasingly difficult for potential terrorists to fly into our airports 3. Law Enforcement and Military are being respected once again 4. Our enemies don't push us around anymore 5. Our economy and market has been pulling in all time high numbers... This is all in ONE Year!!! While the already powerless and useless opposition party offers nothing but pure hatred and the same old playbook which has been rejected time and time again... |
RDK, you know I was not morally able to support Trump or Hillary (and I agree with Jackie that we would be no better off with her). I agree with Jackie. Someone should probably mark a calendar.
But, anyway, add to your list the decimation of the MS-13 gang which was terrorizing many areas and are disappearing. I got paid yesterday. That tax cut added about $100 to my take home each month and I am extremely removed from any upper class tax bracket. A bill has been signed to put in breaks/benefits for those who have to take care of disabled family members, like my mother with Alzheimer’s or the parents of adult children with disabilities. People in these situations have rarely been able to catch a break. As far as Richie goes, if people are tired of talking about it... stop. You don’t have to attend every argument you are invited to. |
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Thinny, by “it” I meant why Richie left. You misunderstood my point.
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It's over and she needs to go away now!!! BTW, JBJ is really pissing me off lately too with that political staged "shit" comment on Stephen Colbert. That was totally rehearsed and there is even backstage footage of it... My anger has nothing to do with Trump but more so with Jon trying so hard to fit it with those guys... I never knew Jon to be a kiss ass but when I see him running around with Bob Kraft and licking Oprah and Stephen Colbert's ass, the more I want to pretend this 50 year old JBJ doesn't exist... I really hope this next optimistic album has nothing to do with Mountains and Sunrises... |
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Rolo, you appear to have holes in your memory. I have posted in this thread about more than Richie leaving. But, whatever you need to believe for your interests is fine. |
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Someone knows where I can find the lyrics of "One night of peace"? I can't find it in any place on the internet.. Such a beautiful song...my wife loved it and I want to translate the lyrics for her. Thanks in advance! |
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I'm in love with this song. To tell the truth, I'm enjoying more than I expected the two RSO ep now. I let my Richie's anger aside. There are very good songs on this, although they can not do justice to them live |
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Sigh....As you can see I barely did get involved. My point, which was made perfectly clearly in the last post, is that it makes it increasingly difficult to have a proper conversation here about Richie's current music due to the amount of people hijacking every comment with negative shit about Richie leaving Bon Jovi, etc. It takes over the thread so much that it's difficult to find the posts that are actually about RSO at times....
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And yet everyone moans when we try and moderate so......
This thread is essentially "The Richie thread" so it's going to be RSO along with Richie leaving chat. It's better that than a whole load of threads on it, at least it's a train of thought amongst the conversation. |
Personally, I think this whole board needs a lot more moderation, but that's just me...I know it's difficult to manage. However, when it's the same people constantly derailing the same threads, with the same comments, the choices seem pretty obvious to me.
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As I said, you don’t have to attend every argument you are invited to. You have the option to not respond or to block users whose posts you don’t want to see at all.
When we try to moderate things, people get even angrier than when we let things happen naturally. |
You're still missing the point. :rolleyes:
Even if I don't "attend" the latest argument, doesn't mean I want to scroll through pages of it. Blocking doesn't really help, as it still shows people's responses, and it can make other threads confusing when said person comments on something. I find it odd that I'm the one that wants to stay on topic, yet I'm the one in the wrong. Strange way to moderate a board if you ask me, But you didn't, so carry on... ;) |
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https://www.myteachingstation.com/va...to-Dot-Dog.jpg You however say you can't say for sure this is a dog because that's just hearsay. Until an official statement is released, you will point out to everyone that we don't know for sure if this a dog. Now you can wait for the real statements to co connect the dots all you want, but Richie will never admit he got pissed and Jon will never admit his football team got in the way of keeping a band together. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
No one is failing to understand what you are saying, Thinny. This is the Richie thread. It’s pinned. So whether people want to discuss his music or his love life, it’s here. He’s not a member of Bon Jovi so there is no need for 10 Richie threads in a Bon Jovi sub forum. People tie his music to his life choices, one of which was leaving Bon Jovi.
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In that case, if a message board follows those rules, then anything goes in pretty much any thread, however loosely things tied together. You could end up with a topic about new Bon Jovi material also end up as another thread about Richie leaving Bon Jovi. Oh wait, that actually happened too....
I'm afraid that's pretty much why the message boards all died a death. However, lets once again just agree to disagree. This is going on and on and around in circles and is becoming another off topic conversation that I'm growing incredibly board with... |
The level of moderation is very much a decision of the administrator/owner. We have to tread lightly and do our best.
I helped moderate another board that was far more restrictive. There wasn’t a lot of derailing, but there wasn’t the level of freedom of expression people have here either. On that board, only a moderator could even start a new thread. Sometimes you have to consider the options and find the positive. |
Fair enough, That does sound like it goes waay too far the other way. It's difficult to find the balance that works for everyone. Nay, it's impossible...
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Of course there are anti-Richie posters. Just as there are anti-Jon critics. I just don’t see any vendetta against either if the criticism levelled is justified. Jon = Shot voice. Moves like a pensioner. Money orientated. Richie = Sloppy. Unreliable. Lacks clear direction. Fair? As for the whole dragging up why he left argument, it’s unfortunately the nature of the beast. It baffles a lot of people why he’s not grabbed this opportunity of being a frontman with both hands. At best it’s been hit and miss. That’s why people still post “he ditched Bon Jovi FOR THIS!?” Had he proved people wrong and actually delivered what he is capable of, there would be less focus on the hows and why’s and more appreciation of what was actually being offered up. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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I'm not saying anyone should change any policies. Just that it's not how I would do it, and I've managed my fair share of band related forums, back when they were still relevant. A forum that just ends up in constant bickering get old real quick... |
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I'm just worn out on all the constant negativity I guess, be it Richie, Jon's voice, whatever. It is what it is.... |
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I think people focus on the obvious which unfortunately is Jon’s voice, Richie’s behaviour etc because there’s nothing really exciting to get their teeth into anymore. RSO IS underwhelming whichever way you dress it up (not you, people) and Jon IS mostly butchering songs. If I were to watch a RSO video and Richie was on fire, and the set wasn’t half filled with covers, I’d be just as likely to post something praising it as I would critiquing something shit. I do get that for those who enjoy RSO, it’s irritating. Same for those who still think Jon sounds great and read scathing posts. It’ll never change on a public message board. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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