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Thinny 03-24-2018 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237042)
No one is going to stay for this... this will be a real wake up call for RSO...

No that's just what you want to happen. Pretty sure that the guys running this know what they are doing.

I guess Ori is going to dump him right after the show too and he is going to announce that he is rejoining Bon Jovi!? :rolleyes:

Becky 03-24-2018 07:55 PM

This is prior to the induction ceremony (the 14th), so if people have come for that day, I don’t think they will leave a free show. Why would they?

JackieBlue 03-24-2018 11:40 PM

It's not on the same day as the Induction Ceremony. It's the Saturday before (the 7th). There's a day of activities planned to kick off the whole week.

Rdkopper 03-24-2018 11:55 PM

Thanks for clarifying... That makes much more sense now... RSO closing the RARHOF Ceremony with Fireworks seemed a little odd...

Not for nothing but what a Dick!!! I get they should take advantage of every promo opportunity but this is about Bon Jovi's moment...

Again, if they respectfully agreed to do solo work, then whatever but Richie quit... and he should keep his shitty band and solo music out of this... He should tell his girlfriend to stay home and just have a guys moment.. with Alec and everyone else...instead he's going to trophy her around

I guess this is all he has left to impress her... It'll keep her around for another 6 months... Write this date down... I guarantee they'll be done in 6 months...

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JackieBlue 03-25-2018 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237060)
...Not for nothing but what a Dick!!! I get they should take advantage of every promo opportunity but this is about Bon Jovi's moment...Again, if they respectfully agreed to do solo work, then whatever but Richie quit...

Seems like the rock hall didn't see it the same way. Otherwise, i doubt that RSO would have been invited to perform.

I really can't see why you think it's taking anything away from the band's "moment". To hear you tell it, nobody's gonna stay to see RSO anyway. And if they're as unimpressive as you seem to think they'll be, even those who do manage to suffer through it will probably have forgotten all about it by the time Bon Jovi's moment rolls around.

Doesn't that grudge you're lugging around get a bit heavy after all this time? As you've said a number of times: It's been five years so maybe it's time to move on.

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1237061)
Seems like the rock hall didn't see it the same way. Otherwise, i doubt that RSO would have been invited to perform.

I really can't see why you think it's taking anything away from the band's "moment". To hear you tell it, nobody's gonna stay to see RSO anyway. And if they're as unimpressive as you seem to think they'll be, even those who do manage to suffer through it will probably have forgotten all about it by the time Bon Jovi's moment rolls around.

Doesn't that grudge you're lugging around get a bit heavy after all this time? As you've said a number of times: It's been five years so maybe it's time to move on.

The rock and roll hof are desperate for acts to perform on off days...

And it's not about taking away from the moment it's just unnecessary...

It's like bringing your New Wife to your X Wife's wedding when you're supposed to only be there for the kids...

I can't believe he is bring her there to perform with RSO... He's such a Dick

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Thinny 03-25-2018 01:52 PM

Get over it RD. RSO were clearly asked to perform, so why should they say no. Bon Jovi wouldn't have been up for it so why shouldn't they? How is this worse than Jon bringing Phil X, Shanks etc? This Hall of Fame induction isn't about them either, yet Jon brings them to perform at the actual cermony. If bringing Ori to perform makes him a dick then Jon bringing those to perform at the actual ceremony make him a bigger dick in that case....

Thinny 03-25-2018 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237060)
I guess this is all he has left to impress her... It'll keep her around for another 6 months... Write this date down... I guarantee they'll be done in 6 months...

I'm sure that you said the same thing 18 months ago! :mrgreen:

Eveline 03-25-2018 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1237086)
Get over it RD. RSO were clearly asked to perform, so why should they say no. Bon Jovi wouldn't have been up for it so why shouldn't they? How is this worse than Jon bringing Phil X, Shanks etc? This Hall of Fame induction isn't about them either, yet Jon brings them to perform at the actual cermony. If bringing Ori to perform makes him a dick then Jon bringing those to perform at the actual ceremony make him a bigger dick in that case....

Spot on, my friend :cool:

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1237086)
Get over it RD. RSO were clearly asked to perform, so why should they say no. Bon Jovi wouldn't have been up for it so why shouldn't they? How is this worse than Jon bringing Phil X, Shanks etc? This Hall of Fame induction isn't about them either, yet Jon brings them to perform at the actual cermony. If bringing Ori to perform makes him a dick then Jon bringing those to perform at the actual ceremony make him a bigger dick in that case....

First of all, were they asked or did Richie raise his hand? Either way, no major band would fill such a spot so Sloppy Richie and his shitty solo band volunteered... Totally unnecessary for this event... Part of me believes this is less about promo and more about Richie showing his peers what he's doing now... Because for some reason, he thinks RSO is some super group like the Dam Yankees or something...

This is like the guy who brings his girlfriend to the bar when it's supposed to be guys night out... We hate that guy...

Forget his beef with Jon... Alec is going to be there... He hasn't seen Dave or Tico... Heck, he could even hang with Phil and talk about guitars... He doesn't need to parade around his 30 Year Old Girlfriend everywhere....

And You can't be serious with that logic about Jon being a dick for bringing Phil etc... I'm not even going to go into explanation on that one... When you bring that type of logic into this, you lose all credibility with me...


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Rdkopper 03-25-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1237090)
Spot on, my friend :cool:

Really, spot on???

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Rdkopper 03-25-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1237088)
I'm sure that you said the same thing 18 months ago! :mrgreen:

I said within six months after the album drops and the tour fails, they will no longer be a couple...

Right now they are contractually connected but once it's all over and done with... so are they...

BTW, Even when he was asked about attending the HOF, he gave sloppy answers... He is not the same Richie anymore... He's angry and weird Richie and there is no way that Orianthi is attracted to that...

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Thinny 03-25-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237092)
And You can't be serious with that logic about Jon being a dick for bringing Phil etc... I'm not even going to go into explanation on that one... When you bring that type of logic into this, you lose all credibility with me...

Hahaha, RD, I'm not worried about losing credibility with you, has you have never had any with me. Sometimes what you say make sense, other times you come across as a spolit baby throwing your toys out of the pram.

You are clearly holding a grudge against Richie for leaving still, but what I don't get is if you think he's such a dick, then why are you still praying for Ori to dump him and he returns to the band? Actually, don't anwer that cos I honestly don't care....

Thinny 03-25-2018 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237094)
I said within six months after the album drops and the tour fails, they will no longer be a couple...

Right now they are contractually connected but once it's all over and done with... so are they...

BTW, Even when he was asked about attending the HOF, he gave sloppy answers... He is not the same Richie anymore... He's angry and weird Richie and there is no way that Orianthi is attracted to that...

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Angry and weird? Reminds me of somebody else....

Richie has been very clear on many occasionas that he will be there.

Ori still posts about Richie on her Instagram all the time, and seems very much in love. They've been together almost 5 years now I guess. She isn't going anywhere it seems. Sorry....

Eveline 03-25-2018 03:20 PM

As for a couple so few would bet on, five years together sounds pretty impressive.

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1237097)
As for a couple so few would bet on, five years together sounds pretty impressive.

First of all, it hasn't been five years... Richie hasn't even been out of Bon Jovi for five years... although that Anniversary is coming shortly....

Second, Richie milked this solo project like no other... The end result sounds like something Jon could have cranked out in six months...

Their entire relationship has been RSO... Like I said from day 1... Once all this garbage fails so will their relationship...



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Thinny 03-25-2018 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237098)
First of all, it hasn't been five years... Richie hasn't even been out of Bon Jovi for five years... although that Anniversary is coming shortly....

Second, Richie milked this solo project like no other... The end result sounds like something Jon could have cranked out in six months...

Their entire relationship has been RSO... Like I said from day 1... Once all this garbage fails so will their relationship...



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Again, you are just seeing what you want to see and coming across as painfully bitter. I point you again to her instagram. RSO is a tiny part of their relationship it seems, as they are always together enjoying life and each other. But you won't look at that because it defys everything that you choose to believe. You seem to think that if you keep saying the same thing over and over again it will somehow make it true!

It will be 5 years this NYE, as they hooked up on NYE 2013 at Alice Cooper's bash in Hawaii

Eveline 03-25-2018 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237098)
First of all, it hasn't been five years... Richie hasn't even been out of Bon Jovi for five years... although that Anniversary is coming shortly....

Second, Richie milked this solo project like no other... The end result sounds like something Jon could have cranked out in six months...

Their entire relationship has been RSO... Like I said from day 1... Once all this garbage fails so will their relationship...



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OK, let's be precise - it will be 5 years this year. And since when you're a prophet? It's like you're rooting against them but even if they split up, what would it change? She's not another Yoko Ono , who's a bone of contention between Jon and Richie. The guys fell out for totally different reasons and split/no split won't change a thing. The guy won't come back bc things went too far. Bon Jovi evolved into something it's never been before and sorry, it all looks and feels like a patchwork family with glued-on smiles.

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1237095)
Hahaha, RD, I'm not worried about losing credibility with you, has you have never had any with me. Sometimes what you say make sense, other times you come across as a spolit baby throwing your toys out of the pram.

You are clearly holding a grudge against Richie for leaving still, but what I don't get is if you think he's such a dick, then why are you still praying for Ori to dump him and he returns to the band? Actually, don't anwer that cos I honestly don't care....

I don't want Richie back in the band because I don't want to see Phil go... I said that Richie will go crying back Jon but Jon is never going to let Richie back in... Maybe if their relationship mends, he'll join them on stage ever so often but Richie and Bon Jovi are done forever...

A little off topic but I'm sure Phil and Jon have had a conversation about Phil's longevity... If I'm Phil X, I'm telling Jon that I'm not learning and mastering your catalog unless you offer me some longevity... and I'm sure Jon understood and agreed... Hence his permanent name within he band...

In all honesty, I have no issues with Richie... but I want Richie to make Richie music... instead of trying to jam his girlfriend down our throats... That's my only issue... I can't stand what they are doing and Richie is somewhat obnoxious about it... Even Blake and Gwen are less annoying and they are much bigger celebrities than the two of them...

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Thinny 03-25-2018 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237101)
A little off topic but I'm sure Phil and Jon have had a conversation about Phil's longevity... If I'm Phil X, I'm telling Jon that I'm not learning and mastering your catalog unless you offer me some longevity... and I'm sure Jon understood and agreed... Hence his permanent name within he band...

I'm sure the convesation about longevity has been had, but not in that way. Phil is in no position to be making demands of Jon. At the end of the day he's still a hired gun and I'm sure is very happy with the current paycheck.

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1237102)
I'm sure the convesation about longevity has been had, but not in that way. Phil is in no position to be making demands of Jon. At the end of the day he's still a hired gun and I'm sure is very happy with the current paycheck.

I'm sure it was presented delicately and not with the tone I wrote it as I was power phrasing but yes, I think a very long contract has been signed...

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bonjovi90 03-25-2018 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237103)
I'm sure it was presented delicately and not with the tone I wrote it as I was power phrasing but yes, I think a very long contract has been signed...

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Phil X is there as long as Jon needs him and he's happy to fill that spot for that period of time. If it's until the band retires, then as long as that. If the band may decide one day to reunite with Richie, then Phil X will go back to doing what he did before.
It's not like he'd lose any creative outlet when he wouldn't play with Bon Jovi anymore.

Thinny 03-25-2018 04:01 PM

I'm not sure that Jon can commit to a particuallry long contract to be honest, as I really don't think he knows himself how much longer he's going to be doing this. I don't think he has that many more years left in him, in my opinion. But we are getting way off topic here now.

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1237104)
Phil X is there as long as Jon needs him and he's happy to fill that spot for that period of time. If it's until the band retires, then as long as that. If the band may decide one day to reunite with Richie, then Phil X will go back to doing what he did before.
It's not like he'd lose any creative outlet when he wouldn't play with Bon Jovi anymore.

You're making it seem like it's a friendly handshake and I don't think it's that simple... This is a business and like any other business fulfillment there are contracts...

Just as much as it's a privilege for Phil to step into Bon Jovi, Jon got lucky finding Phil too... Sure there are a million guitar players but finding someone with chemistry, who Jon can trust, who can get along with the rest of the band members, etc, is all part of it.

Do you think Jon wants the stress of Phil walking off and starting that process all over again? Hello No! Not at 56

JackieBlue 03-25-2018 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1237104)
Phil X is there as long as Jon needs him and he's happy to fill that spot for that period of time. If it's until the band retires, then as long as that. If the band may decide one day to reunite with Richie, then Phil X will go back to doing what he did before.
It's not like he'd lose any creative outlet when he wouldn't play with Bon Jovi anymore.

And that's about the size of it.

Apparently, Phil-X hasn't been too involved in creating the guitar parts in the studio and I don't see why that should change now, as long as Jon remains happy with what Shanks is doing. I can't imagine either Phil or Richie being satisfied just playing rhythm while the other plays lead, especially on guitar solos that neither one of them writes.

If personality/ego clashes wouldn't cause problems, it might be nice to see them trade off leads on some songs. But if Richie was unhappy with Bobby being brought on board, I really don't think he'd be happy about having a second lead guitarist in the band.

And before someone can say "it doesn't matter whether Richie is happy or not because it's Jon's band" or "Jon would want to keep Phil around because he can't be sure Richie would show up", let me clarify. I personally believe that unless whatever issues that caused the split are resolved, it's a moot point; because there would be no reuniting to begin with.

So, IF the band should reunite some day, I seriously doubt there'll be any Hotel California type guitar duels between Richie and Phil, as nice as that might be.

JMO.

rokenrola 03-25-2018 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1237113)
And that's about the size of it.

Apparently, Phil-X hasn't been too involved in creating the guitar parts in the studio and I don't see why that should change now, as long as Jon remains happy with what Shanks is doing. I can't imagine either Phil or Richie being satisfied just playing rhythm while the other plays lead, especially on guitar solos that neither one of them writes.

If personality/ego clashes wouldn't cause problems, it might be nice to see them trade off leads on some songs. But if Richie was unhappy with Bobby being brought on board, I really don't think he'd be happy about having a second lead guitarist in the band.

And before someone can say "it doesn't matter whether Richie is happy or not because it's Jon's band" or "Jon would want to keep Phil around because he can't be sure Richie would show up", let me clarify. I personally believe that unless whatever issues that caused the split are resolved, it's a moot point; because there would be no reuniting to begin with.

So, IF the band should reunite some day, I seriously doubt there'll be any Hotel California type guitar duels between Richie and Phil, as nice as that might be.

JMO.

Why not Richie and Phil together in the band? Look what Maiden did,Adrian Smith left the band then reunites with them and Janick Gers is still in the band and they are amazing together,three lead guitar players,Bj could do with two also.

Rdkopper 03-25-2018 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rokenrola (Post 1237123)
Why not Richie and Phil together in the band? Look what Maiden did,Adrian Smith left the band then reunites with them and Janick Gers is still in the band and they are amazing together,three lead guitar players,Bj could do with two also.

If Richie did come back I think Phil would stay too... And Shanks would be the guy to go. HOWEVER..... Jon is so different from any other rock star in may ways (in some positive ways and in some negative ways) but I can tell you right now, Richie Sambora will NEVER be in Bon Jovi ever again. You burn JBJ, you are done!!!!

I think once you're in with Jon, Jon will be loyal to you till the end but if you burn him, there are no second chances.

Eveline 03-25-2018 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237134)
If Richie did come back I think Phil would stay too... And Shanks would be the guy to go. HOWEVER..... Jon is so different from any other rock star in may ways (in some positive ways and in some negative ways) but I can tell you right now, Richie Sambora will NEVER be in Bon Jovi ever again. You burn JBJ, you are done!!!!

I think once you're in with Jon, Jon will be loyal to you till the end but if you burn him, there are no second chances.

I was talking to someone just yesterday and she told me the very same thing about Jon. Jon apparently said that since he's not in a real-life mafia and can't kill the guy who betrayed him, he treats him as if he was dead anyway. So that's what he is. I guess it's high time we faced the fact that Richie's not coming back. And as Jackie noticed in some other thread - Richie won't share his spotlight with other guitarists (unless it's his current girlfriend :3)

bonjovi90 03-25-2018 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237134)
If Richie did come back I think Phil would stay too... And Shanks would be the guy to go. HOWEVER..... Jon is so different from any other rock star in may ways (in some positive ways and in some negative ways) but I can tell you right now, Richie Sambora will NEVER be in Bon Jovi ever again. You burn JBJ, you are done!!!!

I think once you're in with Jon, Jon will be loyal to you till the end but if you burn him, there are no second chances.

I don't think Richie cares too much anymore about that since BJ are done as much as Richie is. Still can't believe how low both of them have sunk in the last 5 years.

Thinny 03-25-2018 06:51 PM

Little has changed for the better in the Bon Jovi camp since Richie left, if fact things are so much worse, so there is no reason for him to want back in. He can continue to make whatever music he wants to make, and if that's with Ori then so be it. He doesn't need the money, he can live quite comfortabley off of all his songwriting royalities I'm sure. Prayer alone must still make him a fortune...

JackieBlue 03-25-2018 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237134)
...You burn JBJ, you are done!!!! I think once you're in with Jon, Jon will be loyal to you till the end but if you burn him, there are no second chances.

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1237135)
..Jon apparently said that since he's not in a real-life mafia and can't kill the guy who betrayed him, he treats him as if he was dead anyway...


If that's how Jon truly feels, then he has a lot to learn about forgiveness. But to be honest, I don't believe that Jon has nearly the same grudge against Richie that some of the fans seem to have.

As for Jon being loyal to the end, I would wager that there are a few people who might have a different story to tell about that.

Again, JMO.

Santa Fe 03-26-2018 08:51 AM

What a strange title for the album.
Don 't like at all .

soundfire624 03-26-2018 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237069)
The rock and roll hof are desperate for acts to perform on off days...

And it's not about taking away from the moment it's just unnecessary...

It's like bringing your New Wife to your X Wife's wedding when you're supposed to only be there for the kids...

I can't believe he is bring her there to perform with RSO... He's such a Dick

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haha i think so too, and it's too obvious that Richie want some piece of the cake for him and his gf, it's a bad move actually..pretty bad move

Rdkopper 03-26-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by soundfire624 (Post 1237229)
haha i think so too, and it's too obvious that Richie want some piece of the cake for him and his gf, it's a bad move actually..pretty bad move

Just unnecessary...

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Santa Fe 03-26-2018 04:26 PM

Do you know the meaning of the album title?

soundfire624 03-27-2018 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1237242)
Just unnecessary...

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yupp, why don't you just come and enjoy the moment with your friends instead of try to show off something..and in don't believe that RORHof offer them, i think they offer themself to RORHof

Thinny 03-27-2018 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Santa Fe (Post 1237246)
Do you know the meaning of the album title?

That's a good question. I maybe take it to mean somthing along that lines of Radio stations in amercia not playing decent music anymore!? Kind of a stab at the radio stations!? I dunno, I'm just guessing...any other ideas?

Faceman 03-27-2018 12:32 PM

Sorry folks...but what's the album title? :confused:

Walleris 03-27-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1237319)
Sorry folks...but what's the album title? :confused:

Radio Free America


https://www.amazon.com/Radio-Free-Am...2145067&sr=1-1

Thinny 03-27-2018 02:17 PM

I actually just listened to this in the order of the album and it actually flows pretty well. The different styles doesn't bother me like it does some, I actually enjoy the diversity. Obviously I'm missing the 2 tracks that are yet to be released, and I would have left off I Got You Babe, I just can't get into it.

I get that it's not for everyone but I'm enjoying it. To me I Don't Want To Have To Need You, Take Me, Forever All The Way, Walk With Me and Making History are all great songs.


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