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jon-flp 06-17-2016 07:48 PM

Just remember that Bon Jovi doesn't have a specific chronology for singles anymore a long time.

The last that I remember which followed a certain order of singles releases was bounce. (I mean release in radio, videos e etc.)

vidda 06-17-2016 09:05 PM

I donīt think BJ can repeat 2000 successful comeback; it was even surprising then, donīt tell me what itīd be today, just a bomb
But even if they had a monster single, and as some of you, something tells me it is so, the context is barely for them. Yes, they can be still successful apart from the fanbase, but not like 2000, and less like 1987

Rdkopper 06-17-2016 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vidda (Post 1201791)
I donīt think BJ can repeat 2000 successful comeback; it was even surprising then, donīt tell me what itīd be today, just a bomb
But even if they had a monster single, and as some of you, something tells me it is so, the context is barely for them. Yes, they can be still successful apart from the fanbase, but not like 2000, and less like 1987

Bon Jovi reinvented themselves in 2000 (probably unintentionally)... They went from a Rock Band to a Man Band... In 2000, grunge music was done and The Boy Band revolution took over... The pretty boy Latin acts were at their heist with Ricky Martin... And Max Martin supplied a 38 year old JBJ the perfect song to fit into that market of the industry. The band really capitalized with the current fashion trend and basically looked like a grown up version of NSYNC...

The problem now, there is no niche market for Bon Jovi to latch onto. I look at guys like Clapton who were able to have a hit when he was close to Jon's age because of the unplugged series... That series enabled him to do what he does best... Jon doesn't have that now... There is nothing out there for Jon to latch onto and that is going to be his biggest obstacle.

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bonjovi90 06-17-2016 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1201792)

The problem now, there is no niche market for Bon Jovi to latch onto. I look at guys like Clapton who were able to have a hit when he was close to Jon's age because of the unplugged series... That series enabled him to do what he does best... Jon doesn't have that now... There is nothing out there for Jon to latch onto and that is going to be his biggest obstacle.

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Yep, pretty much agree with this.

rosa3 06-18-2016 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1201792)
Bon Jovi reinvented themselves in 2000 (probably unintentionally)... They went from a Rock Band to a Man Band... In 2000, grunge music was done and The Boy Band revolution took over... The pretty boy Latin acts were at their heist with Ricky Martin... And Max Martin supplied a 38 year old JBJ the perfect song to fit into that market of the industry. The band really capitalized with the current fashion trend and basically looked like a grown up version of NSYNC...

The problem now, there is no niche market for Bon Jovi to latch onto. I look at guys like Clapton who were able to have a hit when he was close to Jon's age because of the unplugged series... That series enabled him to do what he does best... Jon doesn't have that now... There is nothing out there for Jon to latch onto and that is going to be his biggest obstacle.

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U know, the more I come here and read the comments, and many of u claiming to be "fans" for a long time, though some here for only since 2000 and up, I see nothing but little faith in Jon and the band. Yes, maybe the albums sales won't be as big, they might have a hit single or maybe not, but what I finding lacking here is excitement for new music, maybe some curiousity at best, but nothing else, in fact some here seem to be almost dreading this new album, and yes once again, like u guys sounding like a broken record, Jon's can't sing no voice, no passion, blah blah blah BS shtick is getting old, because that is what u will respond back to me, but I heard all before and its getting boring. How about just being happy that new music is coming, regardless of how it turns out, u might just be surprised that this album maybe a hit, or even critically acclaimed, I know the chances of critical are slim at best, but who knows. We can't predict the future, not even Jon and the band knows how this album turns out, heck, Jon did not know that Richie was gonna leave the band right in the middle of their tour! Lets just look forward to it and see what happens, and lets stop with the doubting and negativity.:)

KSantaFe 06-18-2016 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1201796)
U know, the more I come here and read the comments, and many of u claiming to be "fans" for a long time, though some here for only since 2000 and up, I see nothing but little faith in Jon and the band.

How many times do we need to explain to you that 'being a fan' does not equate to loving everything about the band, and having 100% faith in all aspects of their existence. Everyone has different tastes and opinions, and that's okay! Don't question anyone else's fandom.

rosa3 06-18-2016 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KSantaFe (Post 1201797)
How many times do we need to explain to you that 'being a fan' does not equate to loving everything about the band, and having 100% faith in all aspects of their existence. Everyone has different tastes and opinions, and that's okay! Don't question anyone else's fandom.

I am not saying u have to love everything the band does, all I am saying is instead of being negative about the new album, which has not even been released, lets wait until it comes out officially, and if u don't like the sound or how Jon sings, then that's ok because u actually heard it, the problem I have is the assumptions people make here about Jon, because he may not have the same voice or as u claim "sounds bad" that he lacks passion, he is lazy, etc. Nobody here has ever met him personally, maybe seen him in concert, or even met him at an event, but just because u see him without even talking to him or even have a conversation does not make one here think they know what he is thinking or feeling, its all assumptions at this point.

rolo_tomachi 06-18-2016 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1201798)
I am not saying u have to love everything the band does, all I am saying is instead of being negative about the new album, which has not even been released, lets wait until it comes out officially, and if u don't like the sound or how Jon sings, then that's ok because u actually heard it, the problem I have is the assumptions people make here about Jon, because he may not have the same voice or as u claim "sounds bad" that he lacks passion, he is lazy, etc. Nobody here has ever met him personally, maybe seen him in concert, or even met him at an event, but just because u see him without even talking to him or even have a conversation does not make one here think they know what he is thinking or feeling, its all assumptions at this point.

In all honesty, we all have some illusion by the new material, but it is becoming more difficult to manifest it, because we are living this process every two years or even less time. Eventually one is losing some faith, because every time this band is more predictable, songs are usually not bad, but it feels like more of the same.

When they were launching Have a Nice Day, it was probably the last time I was really excited about that record, since it seemed a real return to rock (although finally it was not), we had a new producer and they were in good time in both sales and in health.

Over time, the ability to diminished emotion, so much so that I came to hate his first singles of promotion, as the case What do you Got, What About Now and Because We Can.

But their last album to fulfill their record label, Burnin Bridges has some interesting things, so despite not wait too, there is some hope to expect some good songs.

This is a forum, and it is normal to discuss and share opposing views, sometimes I try to be positive, but then I remember things like when premiered Because We Can, so it's better to be with more realistic low expectations, and who knows, maybe the new single is a surprise. Satudray Night Gave me Sunday Moring I liked much more than their last singles, but not anything special, it's a decent song that I like to hear from time to time, I think that's more or less what I expect as the first single, I mean, the same as always but at least, not hate this.

rosa3 06-18-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1201799)
In all honesty, we all have some illusion by the new material, but it is becoming more difficult to manifest it, because we are living this process every two years or even less time. Eventually one is losing some faith, because every time this band is more predictable, songs are usually not bad, but it feels like more of the same.

When they were launching Have a Nice Day, it was probably the last time I was really excited about that record, since it seemed a real return to rock (although finally it was not), we had a new producer and they were in good time in both sales and in health.

Over time, the ability to diminished emotion, so much so that I came to hate his first singles of promotion, as the case What do you Got, What About Now and Because We Can.

But their last album to fulfill their record label, Burnin Bridges has some interesting things, so despite not wait too, there is some hope to expect some good songs.

This is a forum, and it is normal to discuss and share opposing views, sometimes I try to be positive, but then I remember things like when premiered Because We Can, so it's better to be with more realistic low expectations, and who knows, maybe the new single is a surprise. Satudray Night Gave me Sunday Moring I liked much more than their last singles, but not anything special, it's a decent song that I like to hear from time to time, I think that's more or less what I expect as the first single, I mean, the same as always but at least, not hate this.

I will be the first to admit that maybe they released albums too quickly, I think if they waited at least a year or two more between albums, then the outcome may have been different. I would get excited when a new album would come out, not every single songs on these albums I was not into, but there were some I did. I was more appreciative that the band would take the time and effort to put out albums, even if it was too soon between albums, I was surprised that they recorded two more records after Lost Highway, I thought they were going to take a break from recording, and give other members a chance to do their own thing. The reason I am more anticipating this album coming is because this is Jon's album without Richie, as sad as I am that he is not with the band, it was his decision and I think everyone has comes to terms and excepted it. I can see the interest and curiousity here on how it will turn out, and I'll bet Jon is probably feeling some pressure because, even with other songwriters working with him, this is the first album w/o Richie and everyone, even fans wonder how it will turn out without his right hand man, so I think we should just hope for the best and see, who knows, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised and may consider this new album there best yes, maybe.:)

It's my faith 06-18-2016 11:33 AM

Two things:

Firstly, noone heard the album so it's all about *assumptions*. We can't prove anything, we don't have a clue if the single would be great or not. When the first single of Circle was to be released I made this thought "well in 2000 we had IML, 4-5 years later we had HAND, soooo in 2009 we will have a new similar-clone 4-chord song as the first single". Yeah... no, it was WWBTF. Why did I fail to predict the future? Cause I didn't have a clue and things don't work like my thoughts (4 years after this or 5 years after that).

And secondly, what is "great" for you maybe it's crap for me, and the other way around.

So, trying to predict the greatness of the outcome of the new BJ product fails in 2 ways. Please, continue discussing but in my humble view it's pointless...


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