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Rdkopper 10-29-2015 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1197162)
Didn't Billy Falcon say Teardrop To The Sea was written with the intention on being on JBJ's third solo album?

There were a lot of indications that pointed to a 3rd solo album from Jon including comments from Jon himself... but nothing was ever specifically mentioned about the album or tracks. I would almost guarantee that Blind Love was one of them but that's pure speculation.

Some of us even refer to BB as a third solo album... I'm not sure how much input Dave and Tico actually had but it's most likely minimal at best. I doubt Jon would waste their time or even want to pay them for a throw away album... They might have came in for a day or two to do some stuff but that's it.

The way Bon Jovi makes records now and especially with Richie gone, I'm not sure if there is even a difference anymore. Take out Richie's writing, backing vocals and guitar, what's left? Tico overlaying his parts over some prerecorded drum tracks. Oh, now it's a Bon Jovi album.

At this point, I'm over it. At the end of the day, I just want to like the songs regardless of who did what. If I could put the CD in and enjoy what I'm hearing on the other end, that's good enough for me.

Captain_jovi 10-30-2015 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1197164)
There were a lot of indications that pointed to a 3rd solo album from Jon including comments from Jon himself... but nothing was ever specifically mentioned about the album or tracks. I would almost guarantee that Blind Love was one of them but that's pure speculation.

Some of us even refer to BB as a third solo album... I'm not sure how much input Dave and Tico actually had but it's most likely minimal at best. I doubt Jon would waste their time or even want to pay them for a throw away album... They might have came in for a day or two to do some stuff but that's it.

The way Bon Jovi makes records now and especially with Richie gone, I'm not sure if there is even a difference anymore. Take out Richie's writing, backing vocals and guitar, what's left? Tico overlaying his parts over some prerecorded drum tracks. Oh, now it's a Bon Jovi album.

At this point, I'm over it. At the end of the day, I just want to like the songs regardless of who did what. If I could put the CD in and enjoy what I'm hearing on the other end, that's good enough for me.

I mean people are welcome to think what they want about where the songs came from. Solo album or not Dave and Tico played on them and Dave sang more on this album than any album since Keep the Faith so in my mind it's a band album. As least as much of a band album as any this past decade.

I totally forgot about that Billy Falcon story. Maybe someone can ask him when it was written.

Rdkopper 10-30-2015 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1197165)
I mean people are welcome to think what they want about where the songs came from. Solo album or not Dave and Tico played on them and Dave sang more on this album than any album since Keep the Faith so in my mind it's a band album. As least as much of a band album as any this past decade.

I totally forgot about that Billy Falcon story. Maybe someone can ask him when it was written.

There are a lot of stories people forget about... But until we get an official statement explaining where each song came from, all we have is speculation but it's also intelligent speculation by serious fans...

Note, just because Dave could finally be heard on an album doesn't mean that he's all over it... I think there were a few songs that came out of this new album session that ended up on BB, WDR being one of them... which was everyone's go to song as it was the first (or second) single... Dave might have been part of that and one might think that his vocals were turned up just a little bit more to make this a believable Bon Jovi album... if you really dissect the other tracks, they are somewhat questionable... just my opinion

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Becky 10-30-2015 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1197157)
Let's stop pretending that BB the album as a whole was a big departure from the band's 2000-2010s sound, shall we? :rolleyes:

Who's pretending? It doesn't sound like The Circle or WAN the only two albums I referenced it being a departure from. It doesn't drown in political/social garbage which is what ruined The Circle. Blind Love, Who Would You Die For, and Fingerprints are NOTHING like The Circle and WAN--at least in my opinion. They are so much better that they leave most of those two albums in the dirt. I do like a few songs from The Circle and several from WAN... but BB is one I like from start to finish, so to me, it is far and above better.

Captain_jovi 10-30-2015 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1197166)
There are a lot of stories people forget about... But until we get an official statement explaining where each song came from, all we have is speculation but it's also intelligent speculation by serious fans...

Note, just because Dave could finally be heard on an album doesn't mean that he's all over it... I think there were a few songs that came out of this new album session that ended up on BB, WDR being one of them... which was everyone's go to song as it was the first (or second) single... Dave might have been part of that and one might think that his vocals were turned up just a little bit more to make this a believable Bon Jovi album... if you really dissect the other tracks, they are somewhat questionable... just my opinion

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Right but then we're back into speculation mode. Considering where they were recorded and where the new album is being recorded it sounds like they were a part of the same sessions. And it absolutely means he's all over it if you can hear him playing on just about every song AND hear his singing clearly. Vocally it's more than usual, writing it's the same level, sonic-ally you hear him on every track (credits confirmed) so how is this any different than a past album? I hear his voice on 7 of the 10 tracks.

You're using conspiracy theories to make your point. They turned up vocals to make it seem more like a band record? It IS a band record. We can just disagree on this, that's fine, I'm just trying to rationalize the difference in recording between this and the last few records. I mean if he was writing on past records and then this record he wasn't I guess I'd get it but his lack of writing isn't even part of it.

Rdkopper 10-30-2015 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1197168)
Right but then we're back into speculation mode. Considering where they were recorded and where the new album is being recorded it sounds like they were a part of the same sessions. And it absolutely means he's all over it if you can hear him playing on just about every song AND hear his singing clearly. Vocally it's more than usual, writing it's the same level, sonic-ally you hear him on every track (credits confirmed) so how is this any different than a past album? I hear his voice on 7 of the 10 tracks.

You're using conspiracy theories to make your point. They turned up vocals to make it seem more like a band record? It IS a band record. We can just disagree on this, that's fine, I'm just trying to rationalize the difference in recording between this and the last few records. I mean if he was writing on past records and then this record he wasn't I guess I'd get it but his lack of writing isn't even part of it.

You must have supersonic ears if you hear him sing on 7 songs... Which 7? And which credits prove it? There were no credits with the album...

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Captain_jovi 10-30-2015 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1197169)
You must have supersonic ears if you hear him sing on 7 songs... Which 7? And which credits prove it? There were no credits with the album...

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Supersonic ears? It's knowing what his voice sounds like.

I hear him in the chant in Teardrop to the sea
We don't run he's clear as day
Saturday Night...
The chorus to We all Fall Down
The bridge of Who would you die for
Pretty clear doing the "ohhhh"'s in I'm Your Man
Very clear in Burning Bridges

That's 7 right there and I didn't even include Fingerprints. There's no backing vocals to Blind Love and I couldn't really hear him on Take Back the Night.

http://www.bonjovi.com/music/1271175...s#.VjK8vvmrSM8 They posted credits.

EDIT: if we're going by these credits he's singing on We don't run, Saturday Night, We all fall down, Who would you die for, I'm your man and Burning Bridges. I could swear I hear him in Life is Beautiful, strange.

Rdkopper 10-30-2015 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1197173)
Supersonic ears? It's knowing what his voice sounds like.

I hear him in the chant in Teardrop to the sea
We don't run he's clear as day
Saturday Night...
The chorus to We all Fall Down
The bridge of Who would you die for
Pretty clear doing the "ohhhh"'s in I'm Your Man
Very clear in Burning Bridges

That's 7 right there and I didn't even include Fingerprints. There's no backing vocals to Blind Love and I couldn't really hear him on Take Back the Night.

http://www.bonjovi.com/music/1271175...s#.VjK8vvmrSM8 They posted credits.

EDIT: if we're going by these credits he's singing on We don't run, Saturday Night, We all fall down, Who would you die for, I'm your man and Burning Bridges. I could swear I hear him in Life is Beautiful, strange.

Thanks for the credits, I didn't know that was posted... but if we do go by credits, his backing vocals are only noted on 6 songs which is basically half the album...

Not enough Bon for me to add the Jovi next to Burning Bridges...

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Captain_jovi 10-30-2015 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1197174)
Thanks for the credits, I didn't know that was posted... but if we do go by credits, his backing vocals are only noted on 6 songs which is basically half the album...

Not enough Bon for me to add the Jovi next to Burning Bridges...

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A track listing of 11 songs and he's on 6, slightly more than 50%. 100% than the past few albums, and my point still remains. It was recorded with what is left of the band, and if the songs originated with Jon alone than every album is like Burning Bridges.

Rdkopper 10-30-2015 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1197175)
A track listing of 11 songs and he's on 6, slightly more than 50%. 100% than the past few albums, and my point still remains. It was recorded with what is left of the band, and if the songs originated with Jon alone than every album is like Burning Bridges.

Some of these 6 are questionable... his vocals are not obvious on Who Would You Die For... I hear Jon backing himself up... Dave might be in the break but again, not obvious.

And to say Dave doesn't sing backing vocals on any other album is just a ridiculous statement... He might not be an obvious backing vocal but then again, he's not obvious in Who Would You Die For either, if he's even on that track to begin with...



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