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Gabriel Shoes 02-13-2016 06:53 PM

Is my impression or the interest of people in the band has dramatically punged in this board?

Becky 02-13-2016 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1198931)
Is my impression or the interest of people in the band has dramatically punged in this board?

Active members are about the same as usual... those active members just aren't posting that much because there's not much to talk about since there isn't any new music or performances right now. If every active member was a POSTING member, the board would be hopping.

Becky 02-14-2016 03:50 AM

https://www.facebook.com/50376864313...type=3&theater

In case you can't see this when you click on it, it's a photo from today of Jon with his vocal coach Katie Agresta and someone from Jersey Boys. I guess that answers the question if he's still working with her. It's from the Facebook group Bon Jovi Always in Our Hearts.

Lucas_Roli 02-14-2016 05:00 PM

If he is really using a vocal coach and he still sounds like that it must really suck. His voice is doomed :(.

nikos greece 02-14-2016 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1198971)
If he is really using a vocal coach and he still sounds like that it must really suck. His voice is doomed :(.

its a good thing. jon is singing very nice and deep at low registries. and most of the bj songs are really hard with big range.bruce who has a great voice for example could never copy jons vocals, i ve heard a wanted and was too too high for high, an easy bj tune. maybe he drinks more and smokes more than he has to, his voice deteriorated but in the end of 2003 it was also rough(not like now of course) but surprised everyone with its progress.
jon has to figure a way to improve and sing differently some staples, no tlfr though. also i believe jon is smart so he realises he needs to step up his game to present the new songs in a decent way.
listening jon during ktf was unbelievable, he ll never sing like this but i believe he can stay at a lvl of the circle tour he if works for it.

Lucas_Roli 02-15-2016 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1198975)
its a good thing. jon is singing very nice and deep at low registries. and most of the bj songs are really hard with big range.bruce who has a great voice for example could never copy jons vocals, i ve heard a wanted and was too too high for high, an easy bj tune. maybe he drinks more and smokes more than he has to, his voice deteriorated but in the end of 2003 it was also rough(not like now of course) but surprised everyone with its progress.
jon has to figure a way to improve and sing differently some staples, no tlfr though. also i believe jon is smart so he realises he needs to step up his game to present the new songs in a decent way.
listening jon during ktf was unbelievable, he ll never sing like this but i believe he can stay at a lvl of the circle tour he if works for it.

Well that's the problem with his voice, it keeps getting deeper and deeper, that's why he can't sing the songs properly. His performances of Blue Christmas keep getting better but his performances of his earlier songs are going downhill ever since 2000.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how he will sound on the new album and more importantly to see how his voice will sound on the tour. I think it can't get worse than it did on the 2015 mini tour.
I really hope that his voice will sound "clearer" than it did on the WAN album because on that record he sounded like he constatly had a bunch of saliva in his throat.

Rdkopper 02-15-2016 05:39 PM

Jon can still sing. He's actually great when he sings within his capable range. Like stated above "Blue Christmas"

My issue with Jon is, his approach when he tries to go out of his range. It's painful and more so, unenjoyable. It's starts with the way he pronounces certain words to finish with that painful strain at the end.

Regardless of the reason, it is what it is and I don't fault Jon for that. I fault Jon for his resolution to the problem which is what I stated above. Maybe if he tried some other tricks like singing with a rasp or lowering the keys. I don't even care if it doesn't sound like the original anymore as long as it's enjoyable to listen to. I'm not talking TLFR versions but just lowering the keys and throwing in some rasps might help a lot. His 80's voice was very raspy and that's what I love...

Becky 02-15-2016 05:55 PM

He blew out his voice in the 80's and worked with Katie Agresta and came back to sing like he did on KTF and TD tours. They solved the problem. Now I'm not naive enough to think they can get those results again.

But, obviously, he knows he has some problems and she knows he has some problems. They're both professionals. I'm sure if they can go from what he sounded like on the SWW tour to what he sounded like on the KTF and TD tours, then they know what they're doing. They have a great natural talent to work with and she obviously is a great coach.

They also have advancements in medical procedures that were not around in the 80's. Whether those options are viable for Jon or not, I don't know. They aren't for everybody. It depends on what the damage is from.

But it boils down to this. Jon is a professional and so is Katie. I have faith that they are not going to send him into a touring situation sounding like a novice or on the precipice of blowing out his voice like he did in 1987. There are too many advances in techniques and procedures since then.

Rdkopper 02-15-2016 07:28 PM

I'm sure she helps him with techniques but I question if she is aware of the results from an entire show... meaning.... Does she say 'Jon do this and that' which makes Jon sound good in that moment but when Jon applies those same skills performing at full blast at a show, the results are different. That's what I'm questioning

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It's my faith 02-15-2016 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1198988)
I'm sure she helps him with techniques but I question if she is aware of the results from an entire show... meaning.... Does she say 'Jon do this and that' which makes Jon sound good in that moment but when Jon applies those same skills performing at full blast at a show, the results are different. That's what I'm questioning

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You have a point.

I guess the sessions with her are really helpful for Jon, that's why we can still experience a very good lead voice in albums. Of course there are technological tricks, but they aren't enough, you need a voice if you want to sound like JBJ sounded in last album.

It's more comfortable and easy to sing in a studio, take a walk whenever you want, re-record some sentences than the live shows. When on tour, he has to sing for 2-3 hours straight and sometimes they perform in outdoor venues and the best singing conditions aren't provided, like a warm temperature. If he hadn't have a trainer, I think he would be much worse! It's the nature of live shows that make it really difficult to perform the best you can.

This is why I think you have a point and Jon can't really reach the his best voice in live shows. Also, he is older now.... You can support today's Arnold with the best expert bodybuilders, given he is really determined to, but he will never ever get the body and the physical form he used to have when he was The Schwarzenegger.


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