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And if anything, Bon Jovi haven't evolved enough. I would've like to have seen more curve-balls thrown, especially in terms of singles over the years - but I assume that would've been more UMG's decision than the band's.

Jovi releasing an attempt at slippery II wouldn't be a continuation though, it would be revisiting a great era for the band but doesn't necessarily mean they'd go down that route for ever. E.g. after Euphoria, X was released, once again mixing up the style.

What will kill BJ eventually however, will be sticking with the circle/WAN recipe. If they keep writing 'socially concious', mid-tempo adult contemporary stuff with Jon barely exerting his vocals then IMO the bands looking at a slow demise. :(

Don't get me wrong they still have the power to write good stuff. Hell even Jons vocals on Amen are good enough when he tries.

I agree, but I'll add that that was only for two albums - that doesn't describe BB at all in my opinion. He even exerts himself vocally in a coupe of songs.

Here's to THINFS being a evolution rather than a continuation!

But that's not at all what BB was and I don't think that's what the next album will be. I think The Circle and WAN are what the record company wanted from Bon Jovi, not necessarily what Bon Jovi wanted to create at the time. I think they show only a very shallow aspect of what the band/Jon is about. We still hear songs from Lost Highway in the set lists pretty often--the last album that Jon was really, really, truly enthusiastic about doing what HE wanted to the way he wanted to do it. If the next album is WAN part II, I'll be quite surprised.

...and I'll be quite pissed!

Let's stop pretending that BB the album as a whole was a big departure from the band's 2000-2010s sound, shall we? :rolleyes:

I think the lowered expectations of people due to it having been announced as a b-sides album led to weird results. The album is okay, but I might actually like it less than WAN. Sure, some tracks are more original, but out of the 11 tracks, how many have I had the urge to come back to?

There's nice bits and pieces, but overall, the album drags, and it has little direction. Plus, the re-purposed tracks from JBJ's third solo album are necessarily an indication of where the band's sound is gonna go.

Wasn't that a fan theory? I don't remember anyone confirming these were songs Jon was going to release solo.

That being said, while some of the album was rehashed cliches from the past (Life is Beautiful, We all fall down) some of the tracks hit on either a new sound or a lyrlcal depth missing from a few records in a row with simple rhymes (Who would you die for, Teardrop to the sea, Fingerprints) so I think it's absolutely fantastic we're raving about this, it shows they're at least attempting to write and record songs and not just put out the same old same old.

Didn't Billy Falcon say Teardrop To The Sea was written with the intention on being on JBJ's third solo album?

BJ. New Album 2016. Warner Music Group. One hunch.

There were a lot of indications that pointed to a 3rd solo album from Jon including comments from Jon himself... but nothing was ever specifically mentioned about the album or tracks. I would almost guarantee that Blind Love was one of them but that's pure speculation.

Some of us even refer to BB as a third solo album... I'm not sure how much input Dave and Tico actually had but it's most likely minimal at best. I doubt Jon would waste their time or even want to pay them for a throw away album... They might have came in for a day or two to do some stuff but that's it.

The way Bon Jovi makes records now and especially with Richie gone, I'm not sure if there is even a difference anymore. Take out Richie's writing, backing vocals and guitar, what's left? Tico overlaying his parts over some prerecorded drum tracks. Oh, now it's a Bon Jovi album.

At this point, I'm over it. At the end of the day, I just want to like the songs regardless of who did what. If I could put the CD in and enjoy what I'm hearing on the other end, that's good enough for me.

I mean people are welcome to think what they want about where the songs came from. Solo album or not Dave and Tico played on them and Dave sang more on this album than any album since Keep the Faith so in my mind it's a band album. As least as much of a band album as any this past decade.

I totally forgot about that Billy Falcon story. Maybe someone can ask him when it was written.

There are a lot of stories people forget about... But until we get an official statement explaining where each song came from, all we have is speculation but it's also intelligent speculation by serious fans...

Note, just because Dave could finally be heard on an album doesn't mean that he's all over it... I think there were a few songs that came out of this new album session that ended up on BB, WDR being one of them... which was everyone's go to song as it was the first (or second) single... Dave might have been part of that and one might think that his vocals were turned up just a little bit more to make this a believable Bon Jovi album... if you really dissect the other tracks, they are somewhat questionable... just my opinion

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Who's pretending? It doesn't sound like The Circle or WAN the only two albums I referenced it being a departure from. It doesn't drown in political/social garbage which is what ruined The Circle. Blind Love, Who Would You Die For, and Fingerprints are NOTHING like The Circle and WAN--at least in my opinion. They are so much better that they leave most of those two albums in the dirt. I do like a few songs from The Circle and several from WAN... but BB is one I like from start to finish, so to me, it is far and above better.

Right but then we're back into speculation mode. Considering where they were recorded and where the new album is being recorded it sounds like they were a part of the same sessions. And it absolutely means he's all over it if you can hear him playing on just about every song AND hear his singing clearly. Vocally it's more than usual, writing it's the same level, sonic-ally you hear him on every track (credits confirmed) so how is this any different than a past album? I hear his voice on 7 of the 10 tracks.

You're using conspiracy theories to make your point. They turned up vocals to make it seem more like a band record? It IS a band record. We can just disagree on this, that's fine, I'm just trying to rationalize the difference in recording between this and the last few records. I mean if he was writing on past records and then this record he wasn't I guess I'd get it but his lack of writing isn't even part of it.

You must have supersonic ears if you hear him sing on 7 songs... Which 7? And which credits prove it? There were no credits with the album...

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Supersonic ears? It's knowing what his voice sounds like.

I hear him in the chant in Teardrop to the sea
We don't run he's clear as day
Saturday Night...
The chorus to We all Fall Down
The bridge of Who would you die for
Pretty clear doing the "ohhhh"'s in I'm Your Man
Very clear in Burning Bridges

That's 7 right there and I didn't even include Fingerprints. There's no backing vocals to Blind Love and I couldn't really hear him on Take Back the Night.

http://www.bonjovi.com/music/1271175...s#.VjK8vvmrSM8 They posted credits.

EDIT: if we're going by these credits he's singing on We don't run, Saturday Night, We all fall down, Who would you die for, I'm your man and Burning Bridges. I could swear I hear him in Life is Beautiful, strange.

Thanks for the credits, I didn't know that was posted... but if we do go by credits, his backing vocals are only noted on 6 songs which is basically half the album...

Not enough Bon for me to add the Jovi next to Burning Bridges...

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A track listing of 11 songs and he's on 6, slightly more than 50%. 100% than the past few albums, and my point still remains. It was recorded with what is left of the band, and if the songs originated with Jon alone than every album is like Burning Bridges.

Some of these 6 are questionable... his vocals are not obvious on Who Would You Die For... I hear Jon backing himself up... Dave might be in the break but again, not obvious.

And to say Dave doesn't sing backing vocals on any other album is just a ridiculous statement... He might not be an obvious backing vocal but then again, he's not obvious in Who Would You Die For either, if he's even on that track to begin with...



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He's singing the low part in the breakdown. It's him, I hear it and it's credited for it. Listen to Flesh and Bone then listen to the song. Not sure about the rest of the song.

I didn't say he didn't sing any other album, If that's what it sounds like I said I'm sorry, but 2000 forward you can't hear his voice as well as you could on the earlier albums. Richie's voice was always the prominent backing vocalist. You can see video footage of them recording backing vocals for Crush on old BJTV's, he's nowhere to be found.

Sorry man, I just really think you're wrong on him singing more on this album than previous (post 2000) albums.

Jon apparently said the title is This House Is Not For Sale and it will be out first half of 2016 I hope it hasnt been pushed back further than March

Ask Billy when it was written? There was never any clear indication about a third solo album? I mean, I've come to expect as much from the world's least knowledgeable American, but still:

http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/bo...st1195699.html

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It was written in November 2014, in New York, by BF & JBJ. For JBJ's third solo album. What else would you need to know?

New Bon Jovi Album: This House Is Not For Sale (2016)
 

I wouldn't expect anything less from a German but if you read my quote in the correct content, I'm referring to album specifics.

We all know Jon had a 3rd solo album intention because he said so himself...




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Well, at least Germany's shaken off old clichés then.

Thanks Alpha, I was in the wrong completely for forgetting Billy had said when it was written.

So back to my original point, how could these songs be speculated to be from Jon's "lost third album" from between The Circle and WAN if it wasn't even written until 2014? I don't disagree he was writing for another solo album, he spoke of doing it instead of WAN, I just don't think these songs were earmarked for that considering when and where they were recorded. WAN, I totally believe came from those sessions.

Maybe a solo album was intended to be next and changed to a band record. The fact that David and Tico played on it makes it a band album. Same damn process as before.

I don't think it's ALL songs... As I originally noted when BB was announced, it's a span of some solo, some leftover from this new album, we know the one is from TC, Jon also said he was interested in writing for movies again so there could be one in there from that...

I'd bet that house that Blind Love was for his 3rd solo album...

Jon needed to come up with 10 songs and he didn't have to reach back too far to get them...

I do however think that most were either freshly recorded or at least reworked...

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According to Jon, Blind Love is from about 10 years ago, if you want to mail me the deed to your house I'll take it off your hands :)

My take on some of the songs' origins, after countless listens to the entire album:

- I'm Your Man: for me, it sounds like it would fit in with the stuff Jon was writing around 1998 for his then-planned third solo album, which became Crush
- Blind Love: I agree with Rdkopper, probably written for a third JBJ album, since it's very intimate.
- Take Back The Night: sounds like a WAN outtake to me, though better than some of the tracks on the actual ablum

SNGMSM, WDR, and BB we know, ATTTS too from Billy's statement/interview, which leaves:

- We All Fall Down: my best guess is TC/WAN, but no idea really
- Who Would You Die For: no idea, could be from a planned solo album, from a soundtrack, or anything
- Fingerprints: could be from WAN, because of the term "fingerprints", which is also used in TWTWMM
- Life Is Beautiful: could be from TC, because of the "sky is cracked" line

And considering when they were recorded: I'm pretty sure that most, if not all, were either freshly recorded for this release, or during the WAN sessions. You can clearly hear it in Jon's vocals, like I stated back when WAN was released - Jon at times sounds like he has either too much spit in his mouth or something else. But those "artifacts" started appearing with WAN, never heard them prior to that.

I saw that and flipped right over here to see who called me out... How ironic though... it just goes to show, you never really know... there is no formula... So 05/06 would be the Lost Highway writing sessions which would make sense if Lorenzo was involved...

Now we know the history to 5 songs, right?

SNGMSM - TC
Blind Love - LH ish
Teardrop - 3rd Solo
WDR - New Song????
Burning Bridges - New

6 more to go

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We All Fall Down sounds like Miley Cyrus' Wrecking Ball (chorus!), so it's gotta be newer than that one.

Take Back The Night sounds like that one Avici-tune. Same for that one.

I thought I'd read that fingerprints was new. I guess all the songs co-written with BF that have a similar style are from around the same time period. They definitely sound VERY different from the stuff JBJ and BF were writing for WAN (including the b-sides, before you go all "that's why they were left off the record!" on me).

Yeah that sounds about right to me. As far as I know Lorenza had nothing to do with the writing and recording of LH so I don't think that factors too much into it. I got the impression that she added the string parts recently, I don't think she was too involved.

Alpha, I don't think I buy that (all the BF songs from the same period) with Blind Love 10 years ago and Teardrop from last year. I wonder where the other BF songs fall.

jovifan93 I think Fingerprints is newer. It's too much of a stretch to assign it to WAN because it has the same word. Who knows though...

Yeah, I know it's a stretch - but one that comes from Jon's habit of loving to re-use certain words or phrases during an album cycle. So, yeah, maybe it's far off, but maybe it isn't. Nevertheless, even my guess would make the song 3-4 years old at most, so we're probably both right ;-)

Good call on the Wrecking Ball resemblance. Don't know about the Avicii one, though, doesn't sound anything like it to me.

It's not Avicii, it's this one:

Per the Dallas Fan Club Q&A sessions, Jon is currently in LA putting the finishing touches on the album... Hopefully well get something by the end of the year.

BTY a little side note, I'm not sure if anyone realized it but I said the exact same thing that Jon explained about the new album being finish but just needing a little TLC...

He said at that solo gig it would be out first half of 2016

Hardly a groundbreaking guess since he's been saying it since his solo gig in August....

The album... I'm hoping for a single...

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As like most of you im a long time fan going back to 7800, and have "Put up with" the last few albums, anything after Crush with the exception of HAND, in my opinion was no where near up to the Bon Jovi standard, TC was a good effort but simply didnt get into my head so to speak, Saying that there are a few tracks across the last few albums that I do still put onto my "Mix-DIsc" to listen to at work, LOTR,Water Made me,Beautiful world,With these two hands and a few more. Although I did buy Burning Bridges, I havent listened to it because again in my opinion it was a "bottom of the barrel" release. Dont get me wrong the Band are still etched into my very soul, butas time goes on and Jons commercial side carrys on over-ruling his creative and genuine side, im expecting more of the same. Richie is gone, his voice is gone, although that doesnt bother me as long as they put out well crafted and written music that inspires me. I still love this/that band and always will, the music helped me,motivated and ispired me, and I still have "FAITH" that Jon can pull something out of his hat, and inspire me once more, but another twraling of his vault "studio bin" of unreleased songs will be devastating.