If he was that bothered, there's plenty of ways of getting the music out to fans quicker so it's not "dated" to him. They could always release digital singles well in advance of the album and set the tour dates regardless, as it's not as if a new album makes the tickets fly off the shelves, and the band themselves give up on the new tracks after a few weeks anyway.

Surely most songs are at least a year old from the time of writing until the album comes out anyway? Certainly are for a tour so this wouldn't be any departure for the norm.

Bon jovi should just release 4 track EPs every quarter. That way they will be 4 new songs.
I read somewhere that a band was going to release 1 single a month over a year. So the song is relevant to artist and fans at time of release.

Yeeeah, let's play 80 shows and make 60 of them karaoke style!*


*IF this tweet is reliable

I listen to Keith Roth on Hair Nation quite a bit. He's never been one to just make crap up.

I wish they would do a different kind of tour this time, more intimate venues. Didn't Pearl Jam play small venues on one of their recent tours? Didn't it go over really well with the fans?

Do you think that Jon will hire a vocal coach? And is it actually possible for him to improve his voice to be able to perform like in 2010/2011?

He stated on that mini tour in 2015 that he was working with a vocal coach. But I don't think he can get back to his "heights" from 2010/11. Jon has never been one with a naturally strong singing voice (like Steven Tyler) and has used every trick in the book to hold this level for as long as he could. By now his instrument is completely worn off.

With guitars you nowadays pay a hell-lot-of money for worn off instruments :D

Jon sounded pretty decent at the Red Bank show... He could still sing in certain keys but when he has to extent or go higher, it all falls apart in the worst way...

My only gripe with Jon's easy vocal filler songs are, he always does the same ones... He needs to dig and find others... I'm sure they exist...

I don't mind songs like Whole Lotta Leavin but not every damm show...

I still think Jon should only focus on the material from the 2 new albums and the hits and forget the rest of the fillers... Jon could do a song like Teardrop some justice...


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If you watch the videos I posted called Rock a Mile with Lonn Friend in the You Tube thread, he has a clip with Katie Agresta so she was on the road with them back then. She is a vocal coach. That gives me every reason to believe he would have a vocal coach on the road with him now if he did back then.

The other thing that got to me was Jon talking about how much physical pain he was in years ago after a show. If it was so bad so long ago, how much worse must it be for him now? So, it would seem to me that he does tour because he loves touring and singing for he masses if it wears him out so badly. It must be a real labor of love. One more reason I think they should go for smaller venues so he wouldn't have to make such broad moves and be such a "showman." An intimate venue would allow him to just be laid back and more casual with the audience.

OR he wants to earn some more millions to buy a NFL team.

But didn't he have a knee surgery after the OWN tour? So this pain should be gone by now.

Does surgery make the pain go away? Or is it just a temporary fix until the problem happens again (like a torn meniscus). The body part is weakened, isn't it?

Sure is.
I've had 5 knee ops and need a replacement.
Once you damage a knee it's never the same. Especially in the cold and damp.

Can someone please post the video when he is saying this cause I can't find it, or at least elaborate on what BonJovi90 has said. Did someone ask him the question? How did Jon react etc..
I would really appreciate it.

It was at one of the press conferences last fall. He was being asked what he did to keep in shape for such concerts and he also mentioned "still working with a vocal coach". Wasn't much more to it.

He's been working with Katie Agresta since at least 1990/91, maybe even earlier than that. I have a clip of her on Entertainment Tonight talking about her clients and she mentioned Jon (and Richie too, I think). So I think it's just a safe assumption to make that he's still working with a coach, whether it's Katie or/and someone else. If you go to her website she has Jon, Richie, Dave, and Alec on her list of clients. In fact, she has David listed twice.

I really hope late January or early February finds us knowing more about this release. I know they are trying out a different business model but at least SOME post-production and pre-release stuff should be staying the same. Photo shoots, EPK's, interviews, late night apearances, promo shows showcasing the album etc....

I am sure there are many aspects to why Jon keeps touring (commitment, responsibilties, fun, habit, ego, pride, a good heart, perfectionism, money, inner motivation.....) To say he is only in it for the money is like saying I am only doing the work I am doing for money or everybody else for that matter. It might be the main purpose for many people but it is not my main purpose. If Jon would do that, why is he investing that much energy and money into charity?

Plus: As long as Jon is not just using his music to buy his football tem (meaning I wouldn't be able to enjoy the new music at all), as a fan I do not care what he does in his time besides being a musician. I do not care for football but I dont mind it either. But I am the last person to tell anybody what he has to do to fullfill a certain picture I would like to have about him.

And back to the topic: I am still enjoying Burning Bridges but I am interested in hearing to new album. My guess is that the first song is going to be released around late January.

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Wikipedia has a release date of 18th March, any thoughts on that?

No because whover added it probably did based off of the date that someone put out there. No more official than one of us doing it sadly.

I haven't really had time for Bon Jovi this week, but I've been checking the news alerts from work and it's all over the place that the album is coming out in March. So it makes me wonder if it's really legit or if one outlet mentioned it and the rest of the stories are just running with what that one source said--like the fake track list that went all over the world. We definitely know we can't trust something just because it's making the rounds in the news outlets. I'd feel better about trusting a definite March release date if we had some confirmation from someone inside the band's inner circle.

Rob Zombie just released info and tracklisting of his new album that comes out at the end of april. Hope Bon Jovi's album isnt released after april

The derailment where everyone has been removed. When there's news or legit discussion about the new album, post in this thread.

Glad to hear it. Was going to post soon that this thread get back on topic. Hopefully before the end of January we get some news confirmed. Im dying here

Will he have a song about Hilary?!

I heard on Sirius Hair Nation today that the album was coming out "within a 4 month period" the title was "This House is Not For Sale" and they would be "touring hard in the spring." I believe the DJ's name on at that hour (4:00 Central) is Keith Roth, but I could have him confused with the other guy.

Spring isn't that far away. If they are going to sell tickets, we need dates. Also, I sure miss hair nation.

"within a 4 month period" - now does that mean the release date hasn't been finalised and it could be anytime in the next 4 months....or will the release be staggered over a 4 month period?

I think that they don't know anything that's why they're so vague.
Jon said the album would be released in April or May during the Q&A session of the last RT gig and we don't know what he REALLY said during the press conference that's always mentioned by "journalists" as a source because the host uploaded only the first part of it on YT and left out the moment when he speaks about the 2016 album.

Dunno if someone is interested at this .. as Jon is not on the ASCAP anymore I searched for about an hour and finally found in which database his songs are now. They're in the globalmusicrights.com.

Unfortunately, you can't search by an artist or writer but you can request song titles. All three new titles "Reunion", "Rage of Angels" and "All We Are" are in there now with their own GMR work ids.

Besides it says that "Clients of Global Music Rights are indicated in blue.". Jon's name is indicated in blue :)

Yeah, it's been discussed in at least 1 other thread. To put it in a nutshell: Azoff's new company is a record company + a publishing company + a touring company +++

http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/bo...-azoff-t69019/


Irving Azoff Reinvents The Major Record Label

John Shanks at NAMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmOq...ature=youtu.be

He doesn't outright word it, but I think it's looking more and more likely that Phil did actually play on this next album. Cool if he did....

fantastic news

Nice news. Hopefully he'll bring some edge back to the sound of the band.

The DJ on Hair Nation said that the album would be out in May this afternoon.

I had a feeling May would be the release month... it always gets pushed back from the initial call...

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Am I the only one dreading the new album?

After the euphoria post Burning Bridges waned, I realized that my high expectations for the next album were based in a misunderstanding and the reality was probably the same as before and now I wish they took a longer break, I still need to process everything that has happened since 2012.

When they said that “We Don’t Run” was (paraphrasing) “the direction the band was headed” I took it meant lyrically and musically. Which made sense since their usual uplifting live-your-life-get-up-off-your-knees-stand-up-and-fight crap had lately become slightly better and different from the “It’s My Life” carbon copies (“Everyday”, “Have a Nice Day”, “We Weren’t Born to Follow”) to the still pretty unoriginal but increasingly darker and more inspired (“No Apologies”, “This is Love, This is Life” to an extent, and “Because We Can”). And WDR was a logical progression, same old shit (weak chorus, awful autotune) but more in-your-face lyrics and aggressive music, reminiscent of “Bounce”. Rest of the album was pretty consistent (well, except for “We All Fall Down”, what a song...) and the next album was called “This House is Not For Sale”, so surely it meant their (artistic) integrity is all they have left and they don’t give a shit anymore about critics, popularity and charts. Jon letting the gray out cemented that idea in my mind. So yeah, I kinda made castles in the air out of nothing, I envisioned the darker, angrier, anguished lyrics that would follow based in the BB songs and the turbulent couple of years prior to that. But I didn’t realize that as far as we know ONLY the title song, WDR and Teardrop are confirmed new. Two other are old (Saturday, “Blind Love” as per Jon), another one is probably old as well judging by the vocals and style (“I’m Your Man”) and the good ones which I thought would be the “prototype” for the upcoming tracks (“Who Would You Die For”,”Fingerprints”), nobody knows where they came from. All my dreams went up in ashes and my future blew away… :P

One thing I’ve been mulling over for a very long time is, do they need to make an *artistic* album? And for me the answer is the key to everything.

I always thought that they want to feel appreciated as songwriters more than performers, but I have also come to terms with the fact that critics will always dismiss them as “same old, same old” and their core fanbase is casuals who love the hits because... who wouldn’t love a band that delivers a 2hr+ concert full of songs everybody knows? Nobody complains except for a dozen die-hards and most husbands who are not amused at seeing Jon shake his old ass and flirt with females of all ages. People love to be entertained, they love fun, fast, innocuous, highly satisfying but highly forgettable too, nothing too complicated. That’s what BJ post 2000 is. I don’t even think they are just going through the motions, I am convinced they FEEL that’s all they have to offer to keep their audience happy. Sadly, they’ll be remember as just that, a hugely commercial band who sold out stadiums until they died, which is in itself quite the achievement, but I bet that’s not what they really have in their veins, specially Jon & Richie.

Yeah, I know they never shied away from being very commercial. Heck, I was extremely disappointed when I saw Desmond Child had three credits in These Days (not counting “Diamond Ring”, only the new songs), the cynical in me thinks that maybe, just maybe, they didn’t write this ****ing masterpiece of an album just out of the goodness of their hearts-they saw that music post-grunge was raw, dark, angry, the opposite of fun, and they tagged along like they did with most of their albums. I don’t really think that’s exactly what happened, but the fact that they insisted in being in a happy place while writing that album and the actual output seemingly contradicting that affirmation… from time to time the devil in my shoulder cackles maniacally at my naivety and says that even when they go *artistic* they always keep an eye on the popular/commercial and draw some inspiration from it. Always had, always will.

(For the record, I think that being in a happy place is not at odds with writing dark songs. To me, their happy place came from having successfully survived the grunge massacre with KTF and specially from selling a shitload of copies of Crossroad and having a huge monster hit with Always. Obvious reasons for being in an extremely happy place. But it wasn’t that long before that their future as a band was in shambles and they had all that bottled up inside, waiting for the right moment to pour their hearts out. And that was These Days. “Miss 4th of July” and Radio didn’t make KTF because the wounds were too fresh. I’m sure that if Crossroad didn’t happen or wasn’t the huge success it was, “Something to Believe In” and half of TD would be in the boxset instead of the album. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it)

So for me, it’s clear they won’t release another TD, another *artistic* album because they risk alienating their fanbase. The fanbase that has made them top the charts, specially the touring ones, since Crush. Why would they lose that fanbase? Because the die-hards like the 90s? Where were those fans when they did the 95 tour? I’m not saying they should pander to the fans (US fans, that is), just playing devil’s advocate here… they have a steady following since Crush, their older fans seemed more fickle, business is business, they worked hard to get where they are now, they finally got the recognition and respect they craved for so long (respect means the critics just shrug when they talk about them, but acknowledge they are big and have survived and give them credit for that) and they put on one hell of a show according to the regulars. It would take lots of guts to say “screw it, we are worth more than this middle-of-the-road, uninspired, safe music”. I’m sure they have the guts, but really, they are damned if they do, damned if they don’t (if it’s more guitar oriented album, I’ll be seen as a dig. If it’s not, as a victory for Richie, same with the quality, the music, the lyrics...). My prediction is that they’ll stick to what it works, make a few minimal changes. Richie’s situation puts a lot of pressure on them, much more than the departure from the label. They are really back to square one in this unforgiving industry. One last chance or be a nostalgia act forever. Again, why would they risk it?

“This House Is Not For Sale”: WAN part 2 + more guitars + more singer songwriter stuff from Dylan wannabe Jon Bon Jovi (if you want tiny glimpses of what he’s really capable of, hope for the return of the b-sides… or another boxset). Nothing more, nothing less


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Does a promise really break if nobody sees it fall?

I pretty much I agree with everything you've written here. Very well analyzed and probably more truth to it than I would like to have, unfortunately.

Anyone have any new news about when the album is coming out?

I think if any of us did we would have posted it here :( it's slow season.