You'd think it would be the exact opposite, there should have been an announcement by now, a lead single out now and tour dates, release is only a short 2 or 3 months or so away! Unless this is all just gonna be revealed and explode onto the scene all at once!

Its been slow season for way too long. John Shanks put up an instagram pic of Jon from the 80s hopefully its a sign BJ are going heavier and more 80s like on new album but I doubt it. Also with Jon doing his runaway thing mid to late March we may not hear anything til around then which sux

This slow season seems to be going on forever. I wish we had something by now.

No news is good news! Let this shit simmer! I'm all for waiting!

Let's hope that this album isn't going to have the fate of Richie's upcoming :p

Someone posted a photo of Jon's letter to the fan club. In case you can't see it, he said that the new album is, "a very personal album. It's about integrity, it's about character, it's about us. Me. You. US..."

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...e1&oe=572D5F9C

Where was this integrity in the last 15 years?

i get what you mean but i think jon says that now more than ever they have to do some things their way and prove there is a reason for new albums and presence in the music business. bj were always pop oriented(popular) and when you are for so long in the spotlight you will certainly make some poor choices and mistakes but in general i trully believe that jon has true musical artistic integrity, he tried to evolve, he let his family and dramas out of the spotlight, tried to use his power for good, avoided the tabloids, gossips and cheap shots and with minor exceptions wrote and played the music he likes.he is no saint, he made mistakes but i think he has the right to talk about integrity...

Hopefully it isn't 'Power of we' rubbish.

Is it just me, or Jon keeps saying he is goin full circle, go back to the roots, chink on the armor, chip on the shoulder, etc for every new album?

Usually it's the press that says stuff like that. Typically it's Jon and Richie saying it's a big rock album, but I rarely hear back to the roots apart from "It's the most fun we've had in the studio since Slippery". The last time I heard chink in the armor from Jon was HAND and he wasn't far off so I'm hoping he's right.

Where did he say those phrases in regards to the new album?

He didn't

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He did. http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articl...album-2016.htm is one of the articles that used soundbites from, I think, the Kuala Lampur press conference. The press is the one running with the back to the roots thing but Jon insinuated it by saying they went back to the first studio and tracked the songs together. He never used chinks in the armor this time around, my apologies, but did use chip on the shoulder.

"Those Phrases" Captain Jovi "Those Phrases" we all know at this point it's a back to roots / studio / and everything else... Becky was asking when did he say and mainly referring to "chink on the armor" so let me repeat.... HE DIDNT

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Can you guys be anymore picky?!?!

Sweetmiserys intention was to show that basically pretty much the same phrases are repeated over and over again when Jon talks about upcoming albums. That's true, even if ONE out of four or five wasn't mentioned here.

I wasn't being picky. I was just asking for a source. I remembered the "back to the roots" thing because they literally were back in the same studio from the first album, but I didn't remember any of the other phrases being used. Hey, my memory isn't what it used to be. Just wanted some clarification.

Uh no, she had a list of phrases and asked when he said them. Don't put words in her mouth and said she mainly referred to the one specific one he didn't say. He's most certainly insinuated going back to his roots this time and he hasn't mentioned anything about tracking together during previous album cycles. I completely agree, he did NOT say anything about chink in the armour.

bonjovi90 not trying to be picky, I just disagree with Sweetmisery, those aren't phrases he's used for past releases while the press has been all over SOME (happy RD?) of them.

Yes! Thank You!

I think many fans make misunderstood with two things:
Since Crush Jon say on almost every album (without) that it's back to rock or rnroll, heavy sound ecc.

With this album Jon said something DIFFERENT. It's back to the roots IN STYLE of makeing record.

For example. New song - We Don't Run doesn't sound like Livin or Bad Name at all but it was done THE SAME WAY.
One studio (first studio - not in Jons house), all of them in one room, all pf them play demo ecc.
It's the way of makeing record how they did since 2000. It might finally sound like Foo Fighters, fall out boy, Rammstein... but it will be back to roots in way of make it anyway.

About that... We don't run doesn't sound like the old tunes, but it's definitely inspired by IML and HAND...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Jon uttered the words "Back To Rock" to describe or reference this new album...

I think it was more like a 'Back To Roots' thing which IMO has a totally different interpretation. My assumption is, he's referring to how the album is being recorded. Going back to the old Power Station studio and going more analog/less digital or maybe even recording as a band again.

Even if Jon said "It's a Big Rock Record" that too has a meaning than "Back To Rock".

Let's make sure we stick to the facts instead of making up our own interpretations by turning nothing into something.

Back to Roots was also used many times to describe nearly any post-TD album, except for LH (definitely) and WAN (maybe). That's just Jon saying what he things the fans want to hear.

Wow. Two things:

First "Dear Backstage Member", how cold and impersonal is that? Maybe it's a cultural difference, but I get tons of correspondence from all kind of companies and they always use at least my last name, plenty of time my first name even if I'm not a costumer. Not that I care about those letters, but being in a fanclub and not being addressed as an individual person wouldn't sit well with me. Again, maybe it's cultural thing.

And second, what a waste of space really. Imagine all the trees that died so Jon could write NOTHING. All empty words, empty promises, his usual "power of we" crap that I'm sure this type of fans want and believe, but sadly the past 15 years have proven that it's only wasted words.

We already knew it was about integrity, the title being the big clue *wink*wink*, and also all his albums are personal, aren't they? To me, he's trying to dress it so when fans get disappointed again, nobody can complain. Just a feeling. Most people would read this and think that we are going to get an album full of passion, sincerity and rawness, but I don't, I simply don't believe they (Jon) are going to show that side of them anymore. They are perfectly capable, but they won't. Again, just a feeling.

I know he's not going to spill the beans, and I'm not trying to bash him for every single word, thing, movement, I swear I don't. I admire him as an artist much more than my posts may show, but I'm tired, sad and disappointed and that letter didn't help at all. It reminded me why I almost gave up on them


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Does a promise really break if nobody sees it fall?

Or maybe they are trolling us?

Yeah, that sounds more like it :rolleyes:

Does anybody REALLY think they would return to the 80s? Even if Jon's voice was up to it (we know it isn't and will never be), they are a real rock band now, remember? No more silly hairdos, ridiculous screaming and stupid love songs. That's for losers don't you know? Jon is SERIOUS artist, thankyouverymuch


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Does a promise really break if nobody sees it fall?

While I agree with all you said, I can't help to think that his talk about integrity is just as calculated and insincere as his last albums. It's his thing now, being a respected SERIOUS artist VS a washed-up has-been rockstar and rightfully so, he really deserves everything he has achieved. But his music is suffering from the "Look at me I'M A REAL ARTIST, BELIEVE ME, EVEN LEONARD COHEN PRAISED ME" syndrome. It's a desperate attempt to have the critics finally say something positive about HIM since the band will always be regarded as a poor's man U2 (insert the band they are/have been compared to throughout their career). Jon seems to think that emulating Dylan and the likes and putting more emphasis in his Bruce-lite side (the social commentary, etc.) is what will get the critics like him. And all that integrity talk fits the bill, that's why I don't believe it RIGHT NOW. I believed it 20+ years ago, and that's why I'm here today. I still think some of it is true deep inside, not going to lie. But it's getting harder and harder to hold on to the tiny hope that it'll be more than empty words.


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Does a promise really break if nobody sees it fall?

Haha that's one of the best and most spot-on sentences I've read here in a long time! :)

That's what I basically said without reading your posts, which proves that they need to try harder, we've already heard it before, A THOUSAND TIMES.

I know that journalists/magazines/websites need these empty vessel type of phrases to get a safe headline and write a nice, bland article about the new album. I understand it's too early to say anything more, specially without a lead single in the horizon. Nobody but a few die-hards would remember what they said in January if the album is finally released in late spring. I get it, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Being vague is not a bad thing to keep fans guessing and media outlets interested, but BUT it's the same discourse over and over again and the last time I believed it was Lost Highway (which came after a couple of trying years for the band and of some their individual members) and we got much less than expected. It's like they like teasing "this time we bare our souls and give it all" every single time and then... nothing.

Just don't toy with the fans' expectations. I'm sure they know casual fans just want easy songs they'll hear on the radio and die-hards want more meaty stuff (whatever that means, that's obviously different for everybody) so by implying that an album is going in a certain direction or will have X or Y type of songs, they know fans are expecting something. Why disappoint them? They should at least find new ways to rephrase what they say about upcoming albums so it sounds even more generic and safe and let people lower their expectations. Yeah, even more :rolleyes:

Dear Jovi Talk Member, ;) I'm surprised you didn't comment on the other words written in bold letters: "Year 27 of the Backstage with JBJ Fan Club"... 27 years of Jon FC, not BJ-the band FC. I'm more "shocked" by this than by the cold and impersonal "Dear Backstage Member" line, although I agree with you 100%.

Huh??? That's nothing new. Stop trying to cause drama

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We never said he said that this album was back to rock, where are you seeing that?

"Since Crush Jon say on almost every album (without) that it's back to rock or rnroll, heavy sound ecc.

With this album Jon said something DIFFERENT. It's back to the roots IN STYLE of makeing record."

BonJovi100 was pretty clear in saying that Jon's saying something different this time.

I'm totally agreeing with this. I'm not sure why you are confused. Maybe you just enjoy arguing with me...

However, let me just take this one step further. If you looks at the preceding albums, then it does make sense so I don't know why everyone gets so upset when Jon calls and album Rock, or back to Rock, etc...

- Crush followed TD's so it fits.
- Bounce is a big Rock Record so that fits.
- HAND followed TLFR and it is a Big Rock Record
- Lost Highway was next and no explanation needed on that one
- TC followed LH and it it a big rock record so that fits.
- WAN - I don't remember Jon calling this one anything. I remember after TC Jon wanted to take a break, maybe do some solo stuff, he did the movie tunes, he was talking about a more acoustic style album, then all of a sudden "bang" an album was done.

I was talking about going back to the 80s way of more upbeat songs and less mid tempo songs and ballads not an 80s sound that would be crazy

Thank you, I’m glad I amuse you (really :p). I don’t find it funny at all, though (what Jon has become, not your opinion). Most of this board love using the CEO comment to ridiculize Jon’s attitude and while I agree he’s become very unlikeable lately, I also see a desperate man who craves the recognition he would probably never get. Who constantly needs the applause, selling the desert as many times as possible, to get people say something positive about him. I get the impression he’s been chasing something unattainable (changing the critic’s perception about him) since Crush instead of being himself and lost his “uniqueness” in the process. I wish he stopped with the “we we we” tired discourse, somebody should tell him we are not interested in hearing about the world, the power of humanity, the hardships and the hope. Just write about whatever you want Jon, stop trying to be somebody else, to please everybody. You did it, you made it to the top despite all the rocks thrown in your direction. Your fans appreciate what you did and most important of all, VALUE who you are, know that behind the pretty face and the ass-shaking there's somebody with a real talent, a passion for the music and the songwriting. No matter how many Amens, Fighters and pseudo-Dylan ballads you write, the critics would always see you pretty face and ass-shaking. It's part of what got you to the top, what made you a gazillionaire, nothing wrong with that. Just stop barking at the wrong tree, leave the critics alone and write FROM THE DAMN HEART. Like you used to, remember?

(Now, if he only read this or wanted to hear a real opinion from fans...)

How rude of you, I have a name you know! :eek:;)

I know it's a JBJ fan club, which makes it worse BTW. I imagine Jon all cozy and bundled up by the fire writing with his beloved old ink pen, reading all the emotional letters he receives (hand-written of course), memorizing the names and the stories one by one . Then he dozes off and an intern finishes the fanclub mail in like 30 secs, it's been a long day and she doesn't have time for sentimentalism.

Dave, Tico and Hugh are waaaaay too cool for this. Richie has trouble filling his 144 or whatever characters in Twitter (possibly Jon tried to make him write more letters to the fans but he refused and here's your reason for the 2013 debacle). Jon's the only one with the ink pen and the fireplace. Too bad age is catching up with him and he has to rely in his staff.

Maybe if Richie and Jon make up they can change the name to the JBJ&RS FC. One could write the emotional letters with the big words and the other the short "hey whatcha doin see ya next year'", to spice things up

I hear you. I was just being sarcastic :evilbat:

This is exactly what's been missing since forever, rockers+real pop-rock+strong ballads, but we know that's what Jon despises the most, anything that could have an 80s labed attached to it.

But then, he works his ass off selling "Love's The Only Rule" live, a pretty 80s sounding song. And made two 80s tunes for his last Greatest Hits ("No Apologies", "This Is Love, This Is Life"), the best song in WAN is also slightly 80s (Water). So basically he knows that's their sound and it works, but fears the critics tags.

Don’t want to sound like a broken record but again, why is everybody so sure this album will be different? (Different than WAN, let’s be clear)

Because they are going back to their old studio? This can interpreted as being back to their roots, sure, but don’t forget that their roots in that studio is also Jon’s solo work before the band and that’s not what many fans would want, right? I know I wouldn’t, even though I LOVE his solo albums and Jon would probably enjoy going back to that (the type of music he plays at his KOS gigs). But that’s not Bon Jovi. I’m sure even Jon isn’t that arrogant to think he can make another pseudo solo album with the rest of the band and stamp the brand logo on it. Specially since the last time it tanked...

Because they are recording as a band? how much is this going to translate into the final album? When was the last time Dave got some songwriting credits? (My friend Google says HAND) Tico? (didn’t bother to look, I think he never got one of maybe in the first two) Hugh? (who? lol). The songwriting is what makes the song, at least in post2000 BJ, so what difference does it make that Dave, Tico and Hugh are there with Jon and whoever plays guitar? I’m sure it’ll sound fantastic if they are all involved in the whole process but sadly the band has lost their punch because of the subpar lyrics and most important the lack of PASSION behind the delivery. It used to be Jon & Richie and it went downhill with the last albums anyway, only with the odd glimpse now and then. If Jon doesn’t up his game it doesn’t matter how good the rest of the band sounds, it’s going to be another sad excuse of an album. I’m not disregarding the band’s input, on the contrary, I’m saying, I’m STATING, that the weak link is Jon and since he’s the singer, the namesake, the image of the band, it’s up to him to deliver. The band will do it’s best, like always, but this time without Richie they can’t cover Jon’s ass anymore. No amount of good music, studio tricks or autotune can replace what Jon used to do (most of the time with Richie, I’ll never deny this) which was elevate whatever lyric into something at least good. Made you believe the song. When was the last time that happened in the last 15 years? (not counting b-sides)

I said it before, I think this will be WAN 2 because they painted themselves into a corner with the choices along the way. They need to have a big tour, so they need to cater to the casuals which are their main public at least in the US. And the casuals are part fans who love popular music, whatever is on the radio (old or new) and part people who follow trends that critics dictate. Since BJ will never ever be a critics favorite, they can’t risk lose their reputation as a cheesy 80s band who delivers amazingly live. They can’t only tour their hits because to be a nostalgia act you need the critics blessing and they still haven’t gotten there. If they release a darker, less conventional album, critics will skin them alive like they did in the 90s, fans who follow the critics would abandon them, and the other fans would lose interest if they don’t hear BJ in the radio. Who’s going to fill the stadiums? Us? I’m sure Jon would be extremely happy to sing 30 rarities for the 250 die-hards that would show up every night...

You don't mean to but you are!!! Obviously nobody knows yet.

Burning Bridges was a nice surprise which was a shit album according to Jon considering he said that he's got a really great album to give us next...

What makes an album great to me is...... Passion, Production, and Delivery. I have a gut feeling that Jon figured out at least 2 of the 3. BB had some passion especially on Teardrop, Jon actually sounded pretty decent vocally so maybe they discovered some no studio vocal trickery. And finally, going back to the old studio could be an important step for sound and production.

Backstage being Backstage with JON BON JOVI instead of BON JOVI is completely justified and if you were around and in the fan club when it changed back in 1991 ish you would know that. They previewed an an issue on Richie's album and Richie failed to deliver an interview. Jon's mother caught hell over it so the name of the club was changed to reflect what she could deliver--information and interviews with Jon. You got the other members as they were available. End of story.

Personally, I don't know why people keep saying things like "return to the 80's." Would anyone really even want that? Those songs were great--then. But would you want that now? Really? They would sound so dated and so desperate. The album would be a laughingstock for fans and critics alike.

:rolleyes: I know the story/stories, TY, what does it have to do with anything? Am I not allowed to express my POV or make an observation like any other board member? Read the letter again: Jon speaks on behalf of/about the band so it would be more logical for the FC to be named after the whole band, not its leader, all the more since Jon's mother doesn't run it anymore.

Funny how the same 2 people systematically jump on my throat everytime I say something they don't like... :lol: