It's impossible to have a productive discussion with you about things like this Becky because you get defensive and refuse to admit that Jon has any faults. But you need to keep in mind it's not personal, it's business. The fact of the matter is Jon's voice is shot, Jon can't/won't move around a stage like he used to, the output from the band has been on a steady decline, Richie is gone, the height of their career is long in the past... There really isn't a whole lot here that UMG was probably in any rush to renew a contract with.

Jon was the one who said the old model wasn't working for him. What exactly about the model changed between BB and now? Nothing. I stand by my opinion... Jon needs UMG far more than they need him. He swallowed his pride and went back them.

And not being able to see an album or a tour before early next year sure doesn't give the impression that UMG sees BJ as a priority.

Playing devil's advocate, scheduling major acts means holding off on things you know will need a bigger effort. It could mean they're actually do their job promoting and giving a crap about the next album. They'll have pre-planned priorities too and could want to schedule it's release at a time it'll do well.

That being said, the whole thing surprised me. If UMG doesn't see a cent of the touring revenue, keeping the band on its roster makes so little sense. It doesn't matter how well they do, not much of it actually concerns the company that distributes the album unless they're getting something else out of it.

But for the better part of twelve months when the album's ready now? Jon's original plan was to be touring again by early summer. On the other hand, it would give him time to grow and darken his hair...
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If they were recently re-signed the machine is already in motion promoting the other acts. They can't just drop what they're doing.

Also it's not really the better part of 12 months, if the album is out in the fall the label wouldn't have much do with the tour. For whatever reason the band wants to put out the album in the fall and start touring in 2017. I'm not sure why there'd be that much of a gap but they might want to do the opposite of WAN, playing a bunch of new songs BEFORE the album comes out because it didn't do them any good and alienated people who didn't know the material.

Like any other business, things take twists and turns and get postponed... That's just how life goes

One thing I'd like to point out is, Jon stated that the tour will happen in February as long as everyone is health and he put the emphasis on "healthy"... My opinion is, he's talking about himself and more so his voice... Just my hunch..

Oh yeah, speaking of the sudden "move" from mid-2016 to fall of the same year, you may just be right. There's a chance he'll use the gap to recuperate what's left of his voice...provided he doesn't go on Runaway trips that often.

I hope he loses some weight so that he can move around more on tour.

I would think that both UMG and JBJ had to reach a compromise. JBJ maybe wanted a 4-5 album contract and the label are a bit reluctant to give that nowadays.

Who cares what happened the band are back "home"

are you serious?

Yeah, I don't care about his appearance but I do think being heavier has contributed to him slowing down a bit. It happened to me when I put on weight while playing competitive sport. Being out of shape takes its toll on the body.

Edit: He already seems to have lost some after looking at the recent pics.

Well, maybe weight loss would help but we'll need age loss and a fully 100% functional body (remember, he had some leg surgeries), too!

I disagree completely.

He got skinnier in 2013 as the tour went on, but he kept himself glue to a mic so that his already awful vocals would not suffer even further.

He doesn't move much these days, because he has zero confidence in level of performing, so he focuses on his singing, which off course does not help, but I believe that's the logic.

Becky, seriously: he wrote a whole album and bitched about the record company and they creates a big fuzz telling fans that that they will move on.
And a few months later, Jon nmakes a big talk about how the record company sobered up.

That is childish and unprofessional. Business is business but Jon always uses it to make himself look good whereas Jon just bitches and a few months later they 'sobered up'? The fact that Jon talks about his business partners (the record company is his business partner) at official fan events is absolutely stupid and a no-go.

I had several experiences myself with bosses who show off and tell some GREAT story and everytime I knew that it was all show. You can say things like 'we made an agreement' but Jon, the great business man he pretends to be, went over the line, many many times with his whining and bitching.
It is NOT the fan's business what a record company does. I do not go to a show to hear a singer rant about how 'the record company doesn't support him. It is NOT MY BUSINESS. I want good music or a good concert.
We are human so of course we complain or make mistakes and go over the line but when you are a CEO you have to act professional and cut the crap, otherwise you are a wannabe.
When I tell my clients, my management is crap or doesnt support me, I am unprofessional and can get fired for it If I'd write tweets about how I say' Ciao' to my employer or business partner and then tell at the next clients meeting I went back, It would make me look ridiculous. How worthy is my word if I adapt to situation as I please. And it all turns out to be different and I change my mind as I go.

Integrity is that you act according to high moral principles and for me that includes THINKING before talking and also doing what you say or SING about. But with Jon it seems like some kind of pissing contest and I cannot take him seriously when it comes to business.

My opinion?, He returned "home" because the other two options (Warner and Sony), had a worse agreement than UMG offered Jon several months ago.

Think this is more logical, the other would be a world of rainbows, do not understand why they would have to return home after the fiasco of last year.

About Richie's comment, I guess it is a mockery for Jon and his eagerness for the money. This does not mean that Richie not return to Bon Jovi, he wants to make his albums now, that's the point of Richie, want to get away a few years of the band, make new and different music.... but when spend time, sure we will see all together again.

The only thing, about I can be happy, is a possible releases from the vault. Maybe in 2024.:rolleyes:

Screams the involvement of Irving Azoff. I can imagine him and Jon speaking the same monetary language. This is the man brought in release Chinese Democracy and instead tried to persuade Axl to reunite the original GnR line up for financial gain.

He'll likely have been employed to manage the break up from UMG and transfer to another major label. That clearly didn't come to fruition so he ended up facilitating the negotiation for a better deal than Jon could get prior to his employment.

Money always talks. Don't see the problem to be honest.

I picked up on that too and thought it an unusual statement. Is someone sick now? If so who?

Or is Jon planning a vocal surgery which would require 4-8 weeks of complete vocal rest? I remember when Keith had his vocal surgery he talked about how hard it was to keep his mouth shut for 2 months, especially with a young daughter who couldn't understand why Daddy wouldn't talk to her, even though he had recorded stories and messages for her prior to his surgery. Of course, things vary by patient and surgery, but if Jon is planning a vocal surgery, then he won't be able to utter a single sound for 4-8 weeks at least and then jumping right into a tour would be asking too much too soon.

A possibility is Jon learned from the Richie incident and is making sure everyone is good to go and tour because any one of them can say "no" and bail. Good on him if that's the case.

In 2010 he did a interview in Sao Paulo for a UK newspapper and he claimed to be overweight (and he really was a bit). After that, he lost a lot of weight but he clearly had a huge loss of lean body mass as well and wasn't able to gain it back again.

Yes, he's old, no doubt, but with the right diet and exercises he can get in a great shape if he's not shooting the next Avengers movie.

His weight is NOT what's stopping him from moving around, let's not get ridiculous here.

Another example of great minds thinking alike!
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Posted about this yesterday, moving it here:

"Keith" without a surname is always Keith Richards. So what about it? Did he regain his golden voice of the old days then?

Jon losing weight for the tour with have a really small impact on how he will move around. The man has had surgery on knees and is nearly in his mid 50's!

I said a few months ago that he put on a fair bit of weight and of course, people like Becky were in denial, but this won't suddenly make him move up & down the stage more if he does lose it again.

I train clients daily as I'm a Personal Trainer and I have some clients who are 14stone plus who have a great level of fitness. The difference with Jon, I just don't think he can be assed moving up & down the stage. That and the fact he probably can't or is scared something will blow again.

It is good to see that Jon is happy with the album. A part of me was expecting the whole 'it's a great rock and roll record' but we didn't get that. He did seem happy and said it was 'what they were about now' which is interesting.

Great news about the album! I don't think we'll ever know much about what went down and who was demanding what or why there was a fallout between Jon and the record company. I find it interesting because of what Jon said before his solo show in Vancouver "that whole you need to do this, or you need to have that in order to". Of course I'm paraphrasing but that whole statement was broken and without any real direction, as if he started saying something he wasn't supposed to and stopped halfway through. Maybe money was just half the issue and ,musical direction or image had something to do with it. I wish they were more direct and open about what went down but then, it wouldn't be fun to speculate and now nobody feels to stupid because nobody is really wrong in what they think happened.

Yes, since Keith Richards is known as a SINGER and his picture is in both my avatar and signature it's obvious that's who I meant. LOL

Actually, KEITH is singing better than he did prior to surgery, both because he had the surgery and he's working with a trainer.

For those of you who say I don't see any flaws in Jon, that is not the case. I see his flaws. It's just some of you don't see any positive qualities in him so since you see nothing but negative qualities and never comment on anything but negative things someone has to balance you out. It might as well be me.

When discuss Jon about the Label ?

I haven't been able to find that either, so I'd be interested in seeing it, too.

If anyone is interested, however, while I was looking for a clip where Jon talked about that I did run across another video of Jon's comments about the record. It was shot from a different angle and the sound quality was much better than the first one I saw. I caught a few errors in my original transcript, so I corrected my post (p. 120 of this thread, I think). Nothing substantial really; I'm just a little nit-picky that way. :roll:

All the twitter accounts that have good bon jovi info do not have a clip (yet) of JBJ saying he was back at UMG.

I wonder whether its true?

I'm more than happy to wait for the album. I'm glad it's been pushed back.

I'm still excited for new stuff, I'm just not dying for it. Once the last quarter of the year comes around I'll have more anticipation.

I hope Jon got better terms with this new contract now it's looking like he's backpedaled. Makes the song burning bridges less clever/funny if he's back with them!

Looking back how Jon made decisions in the past I think that I.Aznoff is person who made that Jon work with Mercury again.
It's of course not official info but I can imagine that Aznoff made for Mercury big plan how they can promte new album, how they can sold tour ecc.
He could do also the same for Jon and both sides could accept that plan.
I think that "most powerfull" man in music industry can do things like that.

Although this all sounds great, I'm not believing anything until I see the video of Jon saying that he's back with his old label... He said what he had to say about the new album and tour and quickly moved on... "Next Question"... if the topic was revisited, I want to see proof... It's very easy for a fan to misinterpreted information.

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http://jbhnews.com/album-review-this...or-sale/10615/

FAKE as a $3 bill review of the album. I just wonder if the idiots on Facebook who argued to death over the fake tracklist for BB will believe this nonsense too? How far will this track list go? How soon will it be on wikipedia? :rolleyes:

New Bon Jovi Album: This House Is Not For Sale (2016)
 

Haha what a BS article. That track list seems like back to the basics tho haha ;)


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Plot twist. The track listing is real but the songs are new ones, they just share the title with their older songs.

I wonder where these guys get their info from? Or do they just post made up crap just for people to click on their article?

That would make for some hysterical Play by Plays during the tour.

"But WHICH Born to Be My Baby was it? The NJ version, the TLFR version, or the THINFS version?"

Are they under 'Republic Records' label now ?

as they're not on the list of artists of Republic Records, and still appearing in the universal lists..

http://www.universalmusicenterprises.com/bonjovi

There's a video on Bon Jovi's Twitter of Jon with a message saying he went bungee jumping and zip lining with his son Jake in Cabo. WHY am I mentioning that in the new album thread? Because if he's not afraid to take risks like that in this stage of his LIFE, I'm hoping he's not afraid to take risks on the MUSIC at this stage of his career! Pretty cool....

I thought the same thing Becky - though I guess I was a bit more negative. I thought that if he was not afraid to take risks with life why the hell is his music so safe :(

Perhaps this next album will prove me wrong. I sure hope so.