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bonjovi90 05-18-2016 01:44 AM
How about waiting until you've listened to the title at least once?

And it may very well be in the vein of something like WDR - Bon Jovi loves to beat dead horses, they do it all the time :p

Javier 05-18-2016 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1201100)
God Bless This Mess, indeed. Words cannot express how much I hate this title and how disappointed I am that after all the hype we’re back to square one, but I’m not here to rant because the truth is I DON’T CARE. I’ve only liked one single in twenty years (Memory). ONE FREAKING SINGLE IN 20 YRS. My bar is so low I can’t see it anymore. I know the new single won’t make me hate or dismiss the new record like it did in the past, Jon is hopeless when it comes to making/choosing the first single (he can bitch about the label's involvement as much as he wants, but I doubt they made them write Everyday, or HAND, or Follow, or…) and he has to cater to the casuals and the radio stations so I finally accepted that. I’m expecting a cross between “What’s Left of Me” and “The More Things Change” *shudders*

Being excited in the past only led to disappointment. I’ve switched from being very very optimistic about THINFS to more cautious to pretty indifferent but strangely excited at the same time. If it’s another WAN, so be it, we have BB which is what I’ve wanted since Crush. Not the whole album, of course, but a confirmation at last that the lyrics and the passion are still there. I’ve come to terms with what to expect from this band. Album wise they don’t have anything else to say and I’m perfectly fine with that. This won’t be another KTF or another Crush; being the no.1 tour for the past years almost guarantees that Jon won’t care about this new album’s sales. Which should really translate in an “artistic” album but won’t. We all know this band (ie Jon) doesn’t take risks anymore. I’d rather they concentrate in getting ready for a memorable tour FINALLY. They will drop the new songs after the first leg anyway, whether they are the best thing since the 90s or more WAN-style crap. We’ll get another Greatest Hits + LH tour, let’s face it, it has worked very well for them so why change now? Again, I’d rather have a great tour where Jon shows passion. I know we can’t have both, unfortunately (good album and good tour). Jon’s far too detached from his day job and has been for a very long time.

BTW, why do so many people think that the single is going to be an angry song? Or related to the label departure? We already had the angry-defiant songs (WDR&BB) and the serious ballad (Teardrop). They won’t beat that dead horse again, specially since
- They’re back with the label (I still can’t believe it… oh well…)
- The name of the single was announced AFTER confirming being back with the label so if they did have another angrier single it was probably discarded to “bury the hatchet”
- Jon’s new motto since TC is the dreaded “power of we” (Follow, BWC) which in my book is even worse than “life your life, stand your ground, bla bla” but it’s here to stay… The title of the new single, all that has happened, the reconciliation with the label, all points to another uplifting “the power of we is stronger than we think, we made it through it all thanks to you and me” (I may have a chorus here lol)

So yeah, the last thing I expect with THAT title is a rocker and I’m really surprised anyone would think otherwise in 2016 after the last albums/singles. Truly curious, not criticizing really
Oh come on! When a simple thing like a title from an upcoming song (things change all the time, it might not even be the first single) causes you to write such a lengthy reply with speculation that doesn't show indifference at all. Admit it, you're excited! :p

Javier 05-18-2016 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by golittleperson (Post 1201099)
I'd agree but think it's in the studio - Phil tweeted Monday he was off to NYC to make music. May do both hopefully but Tico was still in Germany, I think a pic Sunday.
I guess as long as they're working on it. But I was just hoping recording was done, but they have always done some last minute tweaks here and there so who knows....

symbeline 05-18-2016 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1201006)
Back on topic:

The Hand You Hold was added to Ascap with the writers:

JBJ
Dominic Miller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Miller I assume)
Paul Thorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Thorn) "Paul Wayne Thorn (born July 13, 1964) is an Americana singer-songwriter[1] whose style is a mix of blues, gospel, and rock music.[2]" I like the sound of that.

EDIT: Nevermind, I already said it got added weeks ago. Did I list the writers then? MAYBE MAYBE NOT.
Please, please, PRETTY PLEASE let it NOT be a song from the new album

The only thing I want, I hope, I desire is NO MORE acoustic singer-songwriter stuff in BJ. I'm not against it, but Jon needs to get off his high horse and stop trying to make it happen and concentrate in the band. Do the fun clichés again. Make plain old rock and roll. Stop with the artistic stuff, STOP!!

We need another Crush. This band has aged 15 years in the past 5 years and they don't realize that nobody is going to take them seriously after 30 years if they try to be a serious/artistic band. Trying different things in a solo album is OK, it won't hurt the band, but they are going to lose the casuals IF they want to be something different at this stage of their career.

Now, "Rage of Angels" sounds like something BJ would do. I'm all for it ;)

symbeline 05-18-2016 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1201101)
How about waiting until you've listened to the title at least once?

And it may very well be in the vein of something like WDR - Bon Jovi loves to beat dead horses, they do it all the time :p
Call it intuition, I'm usually pretty good at it. But like I said, I don't care. I wasn't expecting another WDR once we knew they are back with the label. Jon will want to kiss and make up, he's nice like that :cool:

I would be SO HAPPY If I have to eat my words in a couple months. I would put in in my signature if that's the case

"Won't judge a song by its title"
"Won't judge a song by its title"
"Won't judge a song by its title"
"Won't judge a song by its title"
"Won't judge a song by its title"


If the title was KTF I wouldn't in a million years expect the actual song in 2016. Imagine how HUGE my surprise would be hehe. Won't be that lucky though

symbeline 05-18-2016 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1201102)
Oh come on! When a simple thing like a title from an upcoming song (things change all the time, it might not even be the first single) causes you to write such a lengthy reply with speculation that doesn't show indifference at all. Admit it, you're excited! :p
Oh, but I've been mulling over that for some time now, I didn't just wake up today and decided that I didn't like it :D I have like 10 spare minutes every two weeks so I have lots to say in so little time. I don't even know if I sound disjointed, crazy or make sense at all. Not enough coffee today.

Excited? I don't know, specially since I'm so crazy busy I don't have time to overthink and overanalyze. Which is a good thing or I would be here every day anxiously waiting for news and writing 50-line posts every hour.

I was that person before Crush (not here, I was active in other boards). I'm sure some people still remember and hate me :rolleyes:

I have strange feelings towards this one

TheOriginalJez 05-18-2016 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1201098)
Phil looks to be either recording with the band or rehearsing. Hopefully it's the latter...

https://www.facebook.com/therealphil...type=3&theater

PS. I love seeing pics of their setup! Wish we could see more of Richie's live and recording set ups as well as Bobby's and Jon's....
He followed up with this https://www.facebook.com/therealphil...type=3&theater

I'm guessing practice, surely you wouldn't need that setup for recording... even for crazy hands Lemma...

JackieBlue 05-18-2016 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1201098)
Phil looks to be either recording with the band or rehearsing. Hopefully it's the latter...

https://www.facebook.com/therealphil...type=3&theater

PS. I love seeing pics of their setup! Wish we could see more of Richie's live and recording set ups as well as Bobby's and Jon's....
Forgive my ignorance, cos I don't FB and I know nothing about studio interiors, but did Phil actually say he was working with Bon Jovi there or is that just an assumption ppl are making? I saw some questions about that in the comments, but no answers.

It makes me wonder if he could have been recording with someone else when that picture was taken, since he's a session musician. I get the impression he works with lots of different artists as well as BJ. Plus, around a month ago, didn't Jon say (again) that the record was finished?

Of course, as you said, it could be a rehearsal situation; not necessarily recording.

Captain_jovi 05-18-2016 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1201109)
Forgive my ignorance, cos I don't FB and I know nothing about studio interiors, but did Phil actually say he was working with Bon Jovi there or is that just an assumption ppl are making? I saw some questions about that in the comments, but no answers.

It makes me wonder if he could have been recording with someone else when that picture was taken, since he's a session musician. I get the impression he works with lots of different artists as well as BJ. Plus, around a month ago, didn't Jon say (again) that the record was finished?

Of course, as you said, it could be a rehearsal situation; not necessarily recording.
Yep, he's said he's recording the album but that was a month or two ago. I wonder if it's for the album or, hopefully, some b-sides! That would be mighty cool.

Javier 05-18-2016 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1201109)
Forgive my ignorance, cos I don't FB and I know nothing about studio interiors, but did Phil actually say he was working with Bon Jovi there or is that just an assumption ppl are making? I saw some questions about that in the comments, but no answers.

It makes me wonder if he could have been recording with someone else when that picture was taken, since he's a session musician. I get the impression he works with lots of different artists as well as BJ. Plus, around a month ago, didn't Jon say (again) that the record was finished?

Of course, as you said, it could be a rehearsal situation; not necessarily recording.
He's teasing and not right out saying it but the only situation that he's used the talk box is with Bon Jovi, hence his comment "well if there's a talk box". And his caption on the other pic "well if there's a dual keyboard set up", and that's basically David's live set up so it's leaning more and more to rehearsal time! :D

Alphavictim 05-18-2016 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1201111)
Yep, he's said he's recording the album but that was a month or two ago. I wonder if it's for the album or, hopefully, some b-sides! That would be mighty cool.
You're more of an eternal optimist than JBJ himself.

Captain_jovi 05-18-2016 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1201113)
You're more of an eternal optimist than JBJ himself.
I'd much rather hope that the album is done and not further delayed but who are we kidding.

JackieBlue 05-18-2016 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1201111)
Yep, he's said he's recording the album but that was a month or two ago. I wonder if it's for the album or, hopefully, some b-sides! That would be mighty cool.

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1201112)
He's teasing and not right out saying it but the only situation that he's used the talk box is with Bon Jovi, hence his comment "well if there's a talk box". And his caption on the other pic "well if there's a dual keyboard set up", and that's basically David's live set up so it's leaning more and more to rehearsal time! :D

Thanks guys, that makes sense. I was just curious.

liljovi93 05-18-2016 11:19 AM
Symbeline, when you first signed up you done a couple of good lengthy posts but you're milking it now to get your point across. Every reply you do seems to be a long one for people to go 'wow.'

That long of a reply for a song title of a song you haven't even heard a single second of is ridiculous. What was the point?

rolo_tomachi 05-18-2016 12:36 PM
Because We Can, it seemed somewhat challenging, and was cheesy as hell.
We Werent Born To Follow was linear.
Im Your Man looked like a cheesy ballad, but the surprise of rock n roll.

You never know, but I suspect that follow the line of 'We Werent Born To Follow', 'Because We Can', 'Saturday Night Gave Me Sunday Morning'.

Surely the album will have some "hard-hitting rock" song like We Dont Run, but will not be the first single. We know, Jon.

My fear is in songs like The More Thing Change, Army of One, Beautiful World or We All Fall Down.

Lucas_Roli 05-18-2016 12:55 PM
I'm curious to see how much airtime they'll get on the radio with their leading single. I hear lots of songs daily on the radio that are very average songs, I'm sick of hearing that song "Stiches" from Shawn Mendes, the song is ok but it has nothing special. I mean if Bon Jovi would've released that song they would've gotten 0% airtime on the radio and it would have never achieved 450 million views on YT.

steel_horse75 05-18-2016 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1201100)
God Bless This Mess, indeed. Words cannot express how much I hate this title and how disappointed I am that after all the hype we’re back to square one,
Can you tell me how the song goes? oh no, you cant. Wait to hear it. ****s sake.

hackster73 05-20-2016 01:12 AM
Another rip off song title... question is who's song will be better?

https://youtu.be/cdA9ZMkp-Qs

Captain_jovi 05-20-2016 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1201162)
Another rip off song title... question is who's song will be better?

https://youtu.be/cdA9ZMkp-Qs
You can't really think Tuff coined that phrase, do you?

Rdkopper 05-20-2016 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1201162)
Another rip off song title... question is who's song will be better?

https://youtu.be/cdA9ZMkp-Qs
This might be the worst written song in the history of rock music.

Becky 05-20-2016 02:31 AM
I can't understand the hatred for the song title. I mean "Living on a Prayer," "Keep the Faith," "Save a Prayer," "Hey God," "Little Bit of Soul," "Something to Believe In," and "I Believe" all have titles with religious overtones and all are great songs. How can you predetermine that "God Bless This Mess" is bad?

Rdkopper 05-20-2016 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1201167)
I can't understand the hatred for the song title. I mean "Living on a Prayer," "Keep the Faith," "Save a Prayer," "Hey God," "Little Bit of Soul," "Something to Believe In," and "I Believe" all have titles with religious overtones and all are great songs. How can you predetermine that "God Bless This Mess" is bad?
I agree 100%. It's complaining just to complain.

Javier 05-20-2016 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1201167)
I can't understand the hatred for the song title. I mean "Living on a Prayer," "Keep the Faith," "Save a Prayer," "Hey God," "Little Bit of Soul," "Something to Believe In," and "I Believe" all have titles with religious overtones and all are great songs. How can you predetermine that "God Bless This Mess" is bad?
I don't find it good or bad, however I find the whole thing of judging a song title without hearing a song to be really stupid. Making comments that x or y artist has a song with that title or that it could be in the style of this or that I get, because it's fun to speculate I guess, but passing judgement and saying it sucks because title is just :roll: ....

Javier 05-20-2016 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1201162)
Another rip off song title... question is who's song will be better?

https://youtu.be/cdA9ZMkp-Qs

Out of all the bands and artists that Bon Jovi has taken "inspiration" from and will take in the future I REALLY doubt Tuff is one of them....

It's my faith 05-20-2016 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1201170)
Out of all the bands and artists that Bon Jovi has taken "inspiration" from and will take in the future I REALLY doubt Tuff is one of them....
Agreed! For everyone who is making comparisons with the songs same-titled, you should check the "songs cleverly stolen from other artists" thread.

liljovi93 05-20-2016 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1201170)
Out of all the bands and artists that Bon Jovi has taken "inspiration" from and will take in the future I REALLY doubt Tuff is one of them....
Who'd have thought Bon Jovi would sound like Swedish House Mafia, though? :p

steel_horse75 05-20-2016 11:11 AM
Tuffs debut album is half decent.

back on track...........You cant say a songs good, bad, amazing or shit due to title.

I also have about 3 songs called bed of roses by 3 different artists. Jovi, warrant and the other i forget for now.

Song titles do double up.

angelsambo 05-20-2016 12:22 PM
Jon @BonJovi in the studio - May 19, 2016 Photo credit: John Shanks (Instagram)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ci4rP4YVAAA1Ohv.jpg

Rdkopper 05-20-2016 01:24 PM
Cool Pic... and Shirt Too

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Bounce7800 05-20-2016 02:12 PM
Yeah, Ok Jon we get it

steel_horse75 05-20-2016 03:31 PM
must have got that tshirt in his "welcome to Universal" pack!

Faceman 05-20-2016 04:18 PM
Step 1: Announcing with a big bang that he left his long-term record company.

Step 2: Getting back to his old record company and don't making it too public but still getting enough laughs.

Step 3: Wearing a shirt with the big-printed logo of that record company.

This guy gets more and more embarrassing. It's like being his own cartoon.
Is this some kind of contest between him and Richie?

bjcrazycpa 05-20-2016 04:28 PM
I don't see it as embarrassing at all just business. Shit happens. :)

BonJovi100 05-20-2016 04:28 PM
Looking at pictures with Jon and Mercury t-shirts I'm thinking that he got really good new contract which make him comfortable and happy.

He said bad things few years ago about how record company didn't promote them on radio how they should be promote. And I hope this will be changed with first single from album. And maybe new album on vinyl?

rolo_tomachi 05-20-2016 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BonJovi100 (Post 1201182)
Looking at pictures with Jon and Mercury t-shirts I'm thinking that he got really good new contract which make him comfortable and happy.

He said bad things few years ago about how record company didn't promote them on radio how they should be promote. And I hope this will be changed with first single from album. And maybe new album on vinyl?

Let's be serious, 'The Circle', 'Greatest Hits' and 'What About Now' lacked big hits for the radio. Promote long term would have been a waste of time and money.

Walleris 05-20-2016 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BonJovi100 (Post 1201182)
Looking at pictures with Jon and Mercury t-shirts I'm thinking that he got really good new contract which make him comfortable and happy.

He said bad things few years ago about how record company didn't promote them on radio how they should be promote. And I hope this will be changed with first single from album. And maybe new album on vinyl?
Like Rolo said, the commercial performance of their recent output does not suggest that the label is going (or should, for that matter) invest in extensive promotion for the new album cycle.

Nowadays an album itself is a promotional strategy for the tour, from which record companies also take a share.

BonJovi100 05-20-2016 08:04 PM
I think that many radio hits became popular just because radio play them million times per day.

Work - Rihanna? Pretty boring song
Hymn for the weekend - Coldplay . I like that song but so big hit?

We have many big bands and songs like Bieber which are only big in country where company make milion airplays for him. In Poland he isn't so big to make chart top, album top or sale stadium. But wait the same songs are big in Usa . Thats my point of view

Lucas_Roli 05-20-2016 09:20 PM
I don't agree at all with Walleris and Rolo, I actually think that songs like BWC, WWBTF fit perfectly with the poppy catchy songs that they play all day on the radio. I heard BWC in the mall a few weeks ago and it sounded better than the other previous bullshit song they were playin(can't remember which one).

Just like BonJovi100 said, there are a lot of songs that become popular and loved just because they are played 10000000000 times on the radio, for example if an amateur and not very well known artist would've recorded Work by Rihanna, everyone would've been like WTF is up with this tramp and with this ghetto ass song, I'll also use the previous example, Stiches by Shawn Mendes...the song is catchy and it sounds good but it's not a great song but it still gets played like 1000 times a day on the radio.

I do hope their next single will get promoted properly and get proper airtime on the radio because I'm sure it will be catchy and will sound good to the general audience.

Captain_jovi 05-20-2016 09:44 PM
I stand by this: The songs aren't failing because they're bad, it's because they're Bon Jovi. This isn't their time to be popular and they're in a real big can't win spot. BWC fit pretty well with the current radio landscape and I was honestly surprised to see it stalled, even after 8 frigging music videos.

bjcrazycpa 05-20-2016 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1201189)
I stand by this: The songs aren't failing because they're bad, it's because they're Bon Jovi. This isn't their time to be popular and they're in a real big can't win spot. BWC fit pretty well with the current radio landscape and I was honestly surprised to see it stalled, even after 8 frigging music videos.
Totally agree Matt and I've echoed the same sentiment. Slap another no name band name on that song and it would have been a hit.


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