Just remember that Bon Jovi doesn't have a specific chronology for singles anymore a long time.

The last that I remember which followed a certain order of singles releases was bounce. (I mean release in radio, videos e etc.)

I don´t think BJ can repeat 2000 successful comeback; it was even surprising then, don´t tell me what it´d be today, just a bomb
But even if they had a monster single, and as some of you, something tells me it is so, the context is barely for them. Yes, they can be still successful apart from the fanbase, but not like 2000, and less like 1987

Bon Jovi reinvented themselves in 2000 (probably unintentionally)... They went from a Rock Band to a Man Band... In 2000, grunge music was done and The Boy Band revolution took over... The pretty boy Latin acts were at their heist with Ricky Martin... And Max Martin supplied a 38 year old JBJ the perfect song to fit into that market of the industry. The band really capitalized with the current fashion trend and basically looked like a grown up version of NSYNC...

The problem now, there is no niche market for Bon Jovi to latch onto. I look at guys like Clapton who were able to have a hit when he was close to Jon's age because of the unplugged series... That series enabled him to do what he does best... Jon doesn't have that now... There is nothing out there for Jon to latch onto and that is going to be his biggest obstacle.

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Yep, pretty much agree with this.

U know, the more I come here and read the comments, and many of u claiming to be "fans" for a long time, though some here for only since 2000 and up, I see nothing but little faith in Jon and the band. Yes, maybe the albums sales won't be as big, they might have a hit single or maybe not, but what I finding lacking here is excitement for new music, maybe some curiousity at best, but nothing else, in fact some here seem to be almost dreading this new album, and yes once again, like u guys sounding like a broken record, Jon's can't sing no voice, no passion, blah blah blah BS shtick is getting old, because that is what u will respond back to me, but I heard all before and its getting boring. How about just being happy that new music is coming, regardless of how it turns out, u might just be surprised that this album maybe a hit, or even critically acclaimed, I know the chances of critical are slim at best, but who knows. We can't predict the future, not even Jon and the band knows how this album turns out, heck, Jon did not know that Richie was gonna leave the band right in the middle of their tour! Lets just look forward to it and see what happens, and lets stop with the doubting and negativity.:)

How many times do we need to explain to you that 'being a fan' does not equate to loving everything about the band, and having 100% faith in all aspects of their existence. Everyone has different tastes and opinions, and that's okay! Don't question anyone else's fandom.

I am not saying u have to love everything the band does, all I am saying is instead of being negative about the new album, which has not even been released, lets wait until it comes out officially, and if u don't like the sound or how Jon sings, then that's ok because u actually heard it, the problem I have is the assumptions people make here about Jon, because he may not have the same voice or as u claim "sounds bad" that he lacks passion, he is lazy, etc. Nobody here has ever met him personally, maybe seen him in concert, or even met him at an event, but just because u see him without even talking to him or even have a conversation does not make one here think they know what he is thinking or feeling, its all assumptions at this point.

In all honesty, we all have some illusion by the new material, but it is becoming more difficult to manifest it, because we are living this process every two years or even less time. Eventually one is losing some faith, because every time this band is more predictable, songs are usually not bad, but it feels like more of the same.

When they were launching Have a Nice Day, it was probably the last time I was really excited about that record, since it seemed a real return to rock (although finally it was not), we had a new producer and they were in good time in both sales and in health.

Over time, the ability to diminished emotion, so much so that I came to hate his first singles of promotion, as the case What do you Got, What About Now and Because We Can.

But their last album to fulfill their record label, Burnin Bridges has some interesting things, so despite not wait too, there is some hope to expect some good songs.

This is a forum, and it is normal to discuss and share opposing views, sometimes I try to be positive, but then I remember things like when premiered Because We Can, so it's better to be with more realistic low expectations, and who knows, maybe the new single is a surprise. Satudray Night Gave me Sunday Moring I liked much more than their last singles, but not anything special, it's a decent song that I like to hear from time to time, I think that's more or less what I expect as the first single, I mean, the same as always but at least, not hate this.

I will be the first to admit that maybe they released albums too quickly, I think if they waited at least a year or two more between albums, then the outcome may have been different. I would get excited when a new album would come out, not every single songs on these albums I was not into, but there were some I did. I was more appreciative that the band would take the time and effort to put out albums, even if it was too soon between albums, I was surprised that they recorded two more records after Lost Highway, I thought they were going to take a break from recording, and give other members a chance to do their own thing. The reason I am more anticipating this album coming is because this is Jon's album without Richie, as sad as I am that he is not with the band, it was his decision and I think everyone has comes to terms and excepted it. I can see the interest and curiousity here on how it will turn out, and I'll bet Jon is probably feeling some pressure because, even with other songwriters working with him, this is the first album w/o Richie and everyone, even fans wonder how it will turn out without his right hand man, so I think we should just hope for the best and see, who knows, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised and may consider this new album there best yes, maybe.:)

Two things:

Firstly, noone heard the album so it's all about *assumptions*. We can't prove anything, we don't have a clue if the single would be great or not. When the first single of Circle was to be released I made this thought "well in 2000 we had IML, 4-5 years later we had HAND, soooo in 2009 we will have a new similar-clone 4-chord song as the first single". Yeah... no, it was WWBTF. Why did I fail to predict the future? Cause I didn't have a clue and things don't work like my thoughts (4 years after this or 5 years after that).

And secondly, what is "great" for you maybe it's crap for me, and the other way around.

So, trying to predict the greatness of the outcome of the new BJ product fails in 2 ways. Please, continue discussing but in my humble view it's pointless...

You are not telling us anything new... 90% of this board is based on assumption, predictions, clues, and discussion. It's how this boards and other boards come alive... If we just waited for facts, there would be nothing to say... As long as people don't turn opinions into facts and are specific about that, I don't see a problem with any of it... As much as its their choice to speak freely, positive or negative, it's your choice to read it or not... If you don't like the direction of a conversation, opt out...if you don't like a specific user, ignore them...

Although I agree that the instant negativity can be annoying, I can understand why... If people were posting instant positivity, you probably wouldn't be writing this post...

I suggested two topics, one for hard facts and the other for discussion but that's just not practical.

I jump on this board each day for a minute... I do a quick scan searching for new info and them I'm out...

Mods, at this point, do we really need separate catagories for New Album and the General Info??? Actually all three, including the Tour section, could all be moved under one section... it's kind of annoying to have to jump into 3 sections each day... get rid of all those Sticky threads that no one reads... Keep one for YouTube... Keep one for Anything, Keep one for the New Bon Jovi Album, and one for Richie's album... All the tour information and other posts can fall under that...

Everything is too cluttered and too many sections... We are the only board with all this clutter...


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The threads are stickied for a reason. You might not read them but that doesn't mean no one does. The board is sectioned off the way it is so it's easier to navigate when there's lots of conversation, it's just pretty dead around here. When it's busier again, and if more than one person requests it, we can bring it up then.

Trust me, no one reads them and they could easily be moved to one of the other 23 sections... I could totally understand keeping a separate Tour Section but the New Album one is completely useless.

I'm trying to throw out ideas to keep this place user friendly. With Facebook and other similar means being the way people communicate now a days, posting topics and then having discussions really isn't the way anymore (with the obvious hot topics being the exception)... Most people now a days like to post the quick comment and get out... that was the thought process behind my Anything Thread... Most people don't come here because it's too much work creating topics that they know 3 people are going to respond to... There needs to be a rolling chat and even have people 'like' comments... But I'm sure that's a huge program change that will never happen so I'm trying to throw out ideas in the meantime to make this place more user friendly so if you think more sections and clutter with these sticks rules is inviting to new people, then feel free to keep this place dated... To have to scroll down to the middle of a page to read a new topic is a complete turn off...

But hey, you're Bon Jovi fans and Jon doesn't like change so I guess it all makes sense. He does like progression bty

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The board has been this way for many years. It ain't broke. Just because we are in a quiet phase doesn't mean it needs changing. General discussion, new releases discussion, tour discussion are all sensible to be separate.

It's not that busy a forum, if you're on regularly there's still only a few topics to check so it's not a major drain on your life. Why don't you try the new posts tab at the top instead?

As much as we appreciate and welcome change your suggestions always seem to benefit you and the things you don't like. If you think that's why people aren't coming here, it's not the layout. Its a dead time, there's no news, no tour to talk about no album. Between that and the constant bickering it's just not the layout that is turning people off. If it was we'd have heard more about it.

People aren't scrolling to the middle of the page if it's a discussion. There's not that many sticky posts and they're removed as they become unnecessary. A lot of the stickys are still important things that people will miss if they get buried, which they will.

Don't make this about us not wanting change.

Quiet phase??? No. This is a band with a 35 year history and there should be no quiet phase...

Burning Bridges was less then a year ago, and now we have two new albums coming out and this place is still dead... Sure, once the new single to the new album gets released it'll come alive again... And then after 2 months, it'll go right back to being dead...

It's not 2005 anymore... this place needs a revamp and I'd guarantee you'll get more traffic...

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I'm going to drop the subject but you're wrong... It's a mix of both but I bet if you took a poll, you'd be surprised...

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Or it's a band whose most popular period was 30 years ago? The band can still have quiet phases- '99 before Real Life was pretty dead, and then it all started happening.

I've been here long enough to see the peaks and the troughs. At the moment there's nothing doing- we're close, but not there yet.

Plus, the fact that not as many people are that interested in a new Bon Jovi release these days, especially without Richie. People will come back when there's more solid info, short clips and videos but that phase is a few weeks or months away.

You can't say people don't read the threads. Take rosa's "Jon in Cuba" thread for instance. Over 600 views since last night. People are reading. They just aren't participating in the discussion. This place isn't nearly as dead as you think if you look at thread views. People are lurking like crazy.

There's nothing new to discuss and the few times it does happen fights start. If you want to help bringing the board back to life just please focus on that. What the heck do you want people to talk about? If you want more, post more topics. Stay out of threads that don't interest you and if it's a fact you already know, no one needs to know that. It's a major buzzkill and stops conversation dead in its tracks.

Bingo. Nothing says statistics more than actual numbers. People don't have a comment to contribute but they are def reading.

So the album. I'm really hoping for some promo shows that really showcase the album, and with the possibility of the tour not starting until February and the album dropping in the fall we may get that. Because if the latest tours are anything to go by, the new material will mostly be dropped after the first 2 dozen shows....

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And the reason they are lurking is because I titled it "Jon in Cuba", its going to spark interest because as far as we know this is the first time Jon has visited Cuba, so people here are going to be curious as to why he was there, my guess is maybe a quick vacation, maybe

Yeah... since my reply was the first to put this fire on...

My intentions were something like "it's pointless to 'argue' about something we don't know, relax, don't be so sure" and not to dead-stop the flow or stop anyone from speaking.

Just that, my bad for not making it more clear, hadn't thought turning in that bad turn.

i ll make a small prediction, jons cuba visit is business/music related...after the rolling stones huge free concert maybe jon is another high profile western act live. it may be summertime but looks like jon went there solo, no family pics and judjing by the past jon has no problem being there himself when there is a high profile gig/deal like in slane castle last tour when jon flied to shield the deal, of course nth is announced and i m just making things up but i consider it possible.:popcorn:

I think you're on to something. But I think it would have been so much nicer public relations-wise if he'd gone there with Tico.

if its indeed music related its probably early to be announced or a bit irrelevant without a new single/video etc...
or jon took some alone time and we are way off...

I think what is happening, at least to me, is that all the band members are right now doing there own projects, Tico has been traveling for his golf tournaments and charities, David is working with Matt O'Rhea and his band, in fact there are pix of him performing at The Stone Pony, and Hugh is doing his thing. Jon looks he is getting ready for the new album in the fall, he is probably working on promotions, possibly TV appearances, interviews (magazine perhaps) he is getting everything ready, and I'm sure he is contact with all band members giving heads on what he is doing, so they are doing all of their projects now so when the fall comes, everyone will be ready. Of course I am only guessing here ;)

His wife is with him

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i ve seen the pic, the whole theory in the drain...

Havana, Jun 20 (Prensa Latina) American rock singer, Jon Bon Jovi, today cherishes the idea of giving a big concert in Cuba, following his recent visit to the island, where he met with some local musicians.

His interest in giving a concert in Cuba is very strong and only regrets that the Rolling Stones overtook him, Granma newspaper reported.

Accompanied by members of his family and some friends, the author of "Always" walked through the streets of the historical district of Old Havana, toured the nightly entertainment centers in this capital and spoke of his desire to sing here.

Bon Jovi visited the Cuban Art Factory (FAC), a multicultural project founded by Cuban artist, X Alfonso. This cultural center has received other major rockers such as Mick Jagger.

There, Bon Jovi spoke with musicians X Alfonso, David and Ernesto Blanco and film producer Inti Herrera. He also gave some details of his new album "This House Is Not For Sale," and sang some of the songs of the disc.

This is the 14th album recorded by Bon Jovi. This means a return to his beginning, the vocalist said.


Link: http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o...91071&Itemid=1

So in about 1-2 months we should be getting the first single,right?

No one really knows. Could be sooner but nothing has officially been announced.

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Nevermind. Just saw Matt's tweet was posted pages ago.

I missed it with all the arguing about how this board and the threads should be set up. :rolleyes:

I'm going to clean this thread up and just get rid of anything not related to the album.

Just delete it an start over... That'll save you some time...

Or we can just stop doing this inside the thread?

Could we rename this thread to New Bon Jovi Album Speculation/Discussion and then start another thread strictly for news, like a sticky, maybe mod locked as info trickles in?

"not to my knowledge but I know that's not the 1st single."

https://twitter.com/TheRealPhilX/sta...60315781853184

Seems he's "playing in" Bon Jovi now, and not "with":