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jovifan85 08-09-2016 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JOVI7826 (Post 1203743)
Come on now...don't be such a downer...I think Jon will bring back the magic once again...he has done it before...he knows the way...regarding his voice...I think we all grow up as the time passes by...I am positive about the new song.

I am not Negative, I just accept how Jon's voice is. I just don't want a WAN type albums until they retire. If that what Jon intends doing then maybe call it a day, or have a voice operation as fans want something rockier with more guitar let's hope he has listened to the fan reaction to WAN.

Javier 08-09-2016 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203742)
I hope Jon realises he needs to help his voice, by resting his voice this upcoming tour, or be responsible until retirement like this.

What I mean is sing 2 times, a week a break, then tour again, repeat.

Let's say he tours England sings London, 1 night, a break and then returns to finish London, a break then returns to Manchester repeat like this to help his voice.

It's pretty obvious that you know very little about touring logistics and proper voice care. The type of tour you are implying is not only not financially possible it's just straight up stupid. On the days off the road crew still gets payed and roadies, managers, etc. And you want to have the band perform once a week? The tour would be a disaster financially. Then there is the voice, proper voice care and vocal rest are important but also practice and proper use. The first show of the tour Jon's voice is always worse that the second and third why do you think that is? Too much vocal rest and he tends to get rusty, just like anyone who doesn't use their instrument enough would.....

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crobb991 08-09-2016 02:28 PM

well the single is 4 days away so we can all chill and wait and see what comes. i for one am so excited. cannot wait to find out what jon and the guys have up their sleves.

i dont think i can remember a time when jon was this excited about an upcoming album. i know he was super stoked about lost highway which has some of the best songwriting from him in a very long time.

so heres to friday and rocking out.

love to you all

jovifan85 08-09-2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1203745)
It's pretty obvious that you know very little about touring logistics and proper voice care. The type of tour you are implying is not only not financially possible it's just straight up stupid. On the days off the road crew still gets payed and roadies, managers, etc. And you want to have the band perform once a week? The tour would be a disaster financially. Then there is the voice, proper voice care and vocal rest are important but also practice and proper use. The first show of the tour Jon's voice is always worse that the second and third why do you think that is? Too much vocal rest and he tends to get rusty, just like anyone who doesn't use their instrument enough would.....

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OK, why doesn't Jon practice a warm-up before he starts the upcoming tour? To a audience to preview the album before they start touring? A couple of weeks before touring? It will help his voice if he starts singing live/privately to others of THINFS

jovifan85 08-09-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by crobb991 (Post 1203746)
well the single is 4 days away so we can all chill and wait and see what comes. i for one am so excited. cannot wait to find out what jon and the guys have up their sleves.

i dont think i can remember a time when jon was this excited about an upcoming album. i know he was super stoked about lost highway which has some of the best songwriting from him in a very long time.

so heres to friday and rocking out.

love to you all

I am sort of excited! But Jon isn't ever going to produce a TD, SWW, NJ and KTF again due to age and his voice. I am hoping for a BB/Hand/TC type album as that is what he can do now. If he surprises us with his vocals great, but I am not holding my breath. Plus singing live is different to making and recording an album. Could Jon sing Who Would you die for live? No, I love the I want to knows, but he can't hit them live, so why make the songs like this if he can't sing them? Even WDR he struggles with :(

JOVI7826 08-09-2016 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203748)
I am sort of excited! But Jon isn't ever going to produce a TD, SWW, NJ and KTF again due to age and his voice. I am hoping for a BB/Hand/TC type album as that is what he can do now. If he surprises us with his vocals great, but I am not holding my breath. Plus singing live is different to making and recording an album. Could Jon sing Who Would you die for live? No, I love the I want to knows, but he can't hit them live, so why make the songs like this if he can't sing them? Even WDR he struggles with :(

About WWYDF...I think Jon should save this brilliant song for the new album...I can't imagine we are going to hear 12 songs better than this...

jovifan85 08-09-2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JOVI7826 (Post 1203749)
About WWYDF...I think Jon should save this brilliant song for the new album...I can't imagine we are going to hear 12 songs better than this...

All his albums since 2000 have a couple of good songs, the rest mediocre even HAND, I would say 3/4 after Bells of freedom goes down hill, I say it regress.

TC, had 5 or more good songs, but he doesn't sing them as they are too demanding. sad as I liked TC, and BB, but what are the chances of him singing them live? As his voice is shot and going. :(

like I said previous postsfan for life, even if we do get another WAN now and again till he retires! Let's hope they aren't too many of them! ;-)

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 03:23 PM

You people are so anxious for this new song, you can't help yourself but make accusations about it before even hearing it... This is the calm before the storm folks.

I woke up to 19 updates and thought the actual song leaked...

Everything I've read, I've read a million times before. Now everyone is just repeating themselves...



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jovifan85 08-09-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1203751)
You people are so anxious for this new song, you can't help yourself but make accusations about it before even hearing it... This is the calm before the storm folks.

I woke up to 19 updates and thought the actual song leaked...

Everything I've read, I've read a million times before. Now everyone is just repeating themselves...



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Rdkopper, do you really expect a great rock album? I'm not. Expect BB/HAND/TC I say or worst prepare for WAN's until he retires! The discussion really is about some fans have accepted Jon's worsening vocals, some seem to think he will have a voice operation to sound like 80's/90's. No. Because Jon is happy with who he is now. If you listened to what he said about THISNFS, when asked about it he said he is happy, and the album represents us NOW meaning him vocally not as HE WAS.

Anyway, regardless of what Jon puts out between now and he retires, I will always be interested even WAN have a couple of goods songs, Army of One, I'm with you, Thick of Thieves, Room at the end of the world, TWTWMM, amen, and What's left of me. criticism more guitar and more rockier if he can even BB was better than WAN, but lacked long guitar plays, and more WDR like songs which hopefully he can still pull-off till he retires.

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203750)
All his albums since 2000 have a couple of good songs, the rest mediocre even HAND, I would say 3/4 after Bells of freedom goes down hill, I say it regress.

TC, had 5 or more good songs, but he doesn't sing them as they are too demanding. sad as I liked TC, and BB, but what are the chances of him singing them live? As his voice is shot and going. :(

like I said previous postsfan for life, even if we do get another WAN now and again till he retires! Let's hope they aren't too many of them! ;-)

I'm not sure I get the infatuation of Jon being able to sing everything live... The Beatles couldn't do it for different reasons... They couldn't produce the technology live... Anyway...

I guess we are in this YouTube bootlegged generation. When I was growing up during the Slippery and Jersey era, there weren't any computers around to hear what was going on...

The only songs you hear live are the ones played at the concerts you go to and you weren't going to hear everything during those times either...

Bottom line, the albums live on forever, not the tours...

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JOVI7826 08-09-2016 03:33 PM

I think Jon and the boys will blow us away this time.

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203752)
Rdkopper, do you really expect a great rock album? I'm not. Expect BB/HAND/TC I say or worst prepare for WAN's until he retires! The discussion really is about some fans have accepted Jon's worsening vocals, some seem to think he will have a voice operation to sound like 80's/90's. No. Because Jon is happy with who he is now. If you listened to what he said about THISNFS, when asked about it he said he is happy, and the album represents us NOW meaning him vocally not as HE WAS.

Anyway, regardless of what Jon puts out between now and he retires, I will always be interested even WAN have a couple of goods songs, Army of One, I'm with you, Thick of Thieves, Room at the end of the world, TWTWMM, and amen.

No one said it was an ALL ROCK RECORD!!!

It's a big rock record with not ballads... Read between the lines with that one... Songs like 'Who would you die for' would absolutely fit in with that theme.
WWYDF actually rocks bty...

I know everyone is excited but you all need to relax... It'll all be here before you know it... Based on the facts leading up to this point, I'm optimistic.

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jovifan85 08-09-2016 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1203753)
I'm not sure I get the infatuation of Jon being able to sing everything live... The Beatles couldn't do it for different reasons... They couldn't produce the technology live... Anyway...

I guess we are in this YouTube bootlegged generation. When I was growing up during the Slippery and Jersey era, there weren't any computers around to hear what was going on...

The only songs you hear live are the ones played at the concerts you go to and you weren't going to hear everything during those times either...

Bottom line, the albums live on forever, not the tours...

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Yes, but most fans want Jon to peform like he did. He can't. Sad but true. I would say when he tours he only does a couple of good shows, before his voice went every show was good, but I do think he puts more effort in every song vocally, as before he didn't he could just hit the notes without trying.

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203756)
Yes, but most fans want Jon to peform like he did. He can't. Sad but true. I would say when he tours he only does a couple of good shows, before his voice went every show was good, but I do think he puts more effort in every song vocally, as before he didn't he could just hit the notes without trying.

Jon is going to be fine... Stop stressing!!!

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jovifan85 08-09-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1203757)
Jon is going to be fine... Stop stressing!!!

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I'm not stressing just sadly accepted Jon of now compared to the great voice he had. Which we all wish he could at least come back to have half a album like TD,KT,SWW AND NJ. But BB is now the benchmark, we fans expect and WAN is what we don't want more of until he retires. it's just sad Jon's voice 80's/90's can't come back.

BON JOVI FAN FOREVER!

bonjovi90 08-09-2016 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203756)
Yes, but most fans want Jon to peform like he did. He can't. Sad but true. I would say when he tours he only does a couple of good shows, before his voice went every show was good, but I do think he puts more effort in every song vocally, as before he didn't he could just hit the notes without trying.

We know that and you've repeated it like 10 times here within a day. Give it a rest.

Xavi 08-09-2016 03:47 PM

I have doubts about the single because at the beginning it was supposed to be "God Bless This Mess" and then as we all now is "This House"
I only hope the change its not because of the record label.
It could be,because in the past we know it happened several time with the singles,but I believe that with the new deal Jon just signed with the label,those things had changed,and Jon will have the last word to say about it.
I thought it could be like in Crush,when Its My Life was the last song written for the album and changed the original decision of Say It Isnt So as the first single,but I think its not the case.
This House must have been one of the first songs for the album,because Jon told the title at a Runaway Tours event,cant remember exactly,but at least a year and a half.
I hope the single to be a real rock song,with anger,not the typical commercial radio pop rock song.
I hope the change is for good,well see,but im not predicting how the songs will be because of the title,cause I think is in vain.

BonJovi100 08-09-2016 03:50 PM

For typical people I think that WWYDFor is Hard/Heavy rock song.
Saturday Night GSM or WDRun are probalby typical rock song for most poeple.
I don't think we'll get too much heavy songs like WWYDFor on new record. 1 or maybe 2. Bounce was named Hard Rock album (they received award as a hard rock album) and it wasn't big. I think that Jon won't do the same and give us another album with too much heavy sound.

I think thak single will be dissapoinment for most of us but album will kick our asss even with 2-3 country influence songs and most mid tempo Pop-Rock songs. I think that they spend too much time to work on this CD to don't make it good.

jovifan85 08-09-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1203759)
We know that and you've repeated it like 10 times here within a day. Give it a rest.

Sorry for being annoying or repeating myself.

BonJovi100 08-09-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1203760)
I have doubts about the single because at the beginning it was supposed to be "God Bless This Mess" and then as we all now is "This House"
I only hope the change its not because of the record label.
It could be,because in the past we know it happened several time with the singles,but I believe that with the new deal Jon just signed with the label,those things had changed,and Jon will have the last word to say about it.
I thought it could be like in Crush,when Its My Life was the last song written for the album and changed the original decision of Say It Isnt So as the first single,but I think its not the case.

I hope not.
Jon isn't good at choosing singles. His favourites were:
- Welcome To Wherever You Are
- Lost Highway
- When We Were Beautiful
- What About Now
- Amen
- Born To Be My Baby - Acoustic version (NJ)

Record Company decides to put for example that singles (Even if Jon wanted something different):
- Who Says You Can't Go Home
- Make A Memory
- Superman Tonight
- Because We Can
- Livin On A Prayer

Let's hope that - "Good Bless" was Jon decision but record company decided to relase "This House INFSale".

bonjovi90 08-09-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1203760)
I have doubts about the single because at the beginning it was supposed to be "God Bless This Mess" and then as we all now is "This House"
I only hope the change its not because of the record label.
It could be,because in the past we know it happened several time with the singles,but I believe that with the new deal Jon just signed with the label,those things had changed,and Jon will have the last word to say about it.
I thought it could be like in Crush,when Its My Life was the last song written for the album and changed the original decision of Say It Isnt So as the first single,but I think its not the case.
This House must have been one of the first songs for the album,because Jon told the title at a Runaway Tours event,cant remember exactly,but at least a year and a half.
I hope the single to be a real rock song,with anger,not the typical commercial radio pop rock song.
I hope the change is for good,well see,but im not predicting how the songs will be because of the title,cause I think is in vain.

You've got a point there and I just hope that God Bless This Mess will at least have made it onto the album and won't end up in the vaults due to them reconciling with their record company.

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1203764)
You've got a point there and I just hope that God Bless This Mess will at least have made it onto the album and won't end up in the vaults due to them reconciling with their record company.

I don't recall anyone official ever saying that God Bless This Mess was the first single.

bonjovi90 08-09-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1203765)
I don't recall anyone official ever saying that God Bless This Mess was the first single.

Jon had said it at a FC event. I think it was early 2016. That's how the title came around the first time.

BonJovi100 08-09-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1203765)
I don't recall anyone official ever saying that God Bless This Mess was the first single.

This. We only know this from this board. We don;t have any video ecc that Jon say this ;>?

bonjovi90 08-09-2016 04:13 PM

Jon talked about this at the Runaway Tours event on April 30th, 2016.

Back then he stated during the Q&A segment of the show:
1. “This House Is Not For Sale” will be released in September.
2. The first single is titled, "God Bless this Mess" and will be released to radio in July.

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1203768)
Jon talked about this at the Runaway Tours event on April 30th, 2016.

Back then he stated during the Q&A segment of the show:
1. “This House Is Not For Sale” will be released in September.
2. The first single is titled, "God Bless this Mess" and will be released to radio in July.

Sounds somewhat familiar I just don't recall Jon stating that "God Bless This Mess is he first single that will be released in July"

Edit: I just went back to look and I'm the one who posted it (man, am I getting old)... This was from the Austin show where a fan who was at the show posted it but no official audio of Jon saying it ever surfaced... That explains why I can't recall a vision of Jon actually saying it...

JOVI7826 08-09-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1203769)
Sounds somewhat familiar I just don't recall Jon stating that "God Bless This Mess is he first single that will be released in July"

Edit: I just went back to look and I'm the one who posted it (man, am I getting old)... This was from the Austin show where a fan who was at the show posted it but no official audio of Jon saying it ever surfaced... That explains why I can't recall a vision of Jon actually saying it...

Talking about getting old...I am sure that in this forum there are much more people in their 30s or 40s than there are in 20s...makes sense because the band is been around since 1983...

Matrix15 08-09-2016 05:07 PM

Well the previews out on Facebook... and it's the same old stuff.

bonjovi90 08-09-2016 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrix15 (Post 1203772)
Well the previews out on Facebook... and it's the same old stuff.

Sounds like the same old midtempo stuff we've been getting for years.

Walkerboy 08-09-2016 05:16 PM

Can't really judge it on 15 seconds, especially as it's p**s poor quality audio, but..... meh.....

Walleris 08-09-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1203773)
Sounds like the same old midtempo stuff we've been getting for years.

Haha... such a turd

Didn't Jon say this album is a great representation of where they are as a band right now? He was right! :middlefi:

BonJovi100 08-09-2016 05:18 PM

It's better than I think it will be!
It's more like HAND than We All Fall Down ;D
I like it!

Captain_jovi 08-09-2016 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1203776)
Haha... such a turd

Didn't Jon say this album is a great representation of where they are as a band right now? He was right! :middlefi:

Album. Album. ALBUM. You just heard 15 seconds of the lead single and you're flipping off the band. Come on.

jovifan85 08-09-2016 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1203778)
Album. Album. ALBUM. You just heard 15 seconds of the lead single and you're flipping off the band. Come on.

I know you can't judge it by 15 sec, but I like it. Question is can anything beat This House isn't for sale? on the Album? I hope so! Looks promising! :-)

Captain_jovi 08-09-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan85 (Post 1203779)
I know you can't judge it be a 15 sec, but I like it. Question is can anything beat This House isn't for sale? I hope so!

I mean from the clip you can certainly get the songs vibe and I can't judge it until I hear the whole thing. But the balls it takes to hear 15 seconds of the song and flip off the band for the album sucking, the entitlement of the fans sometimes is mind blowing.

Xavi 08-09-2016 05:28 PM

I like the little snippet,sounds fresh,yeah,the same mid tempo of the 2000's era,but with Because We Can as precedent,I was nothing but scared shitless....

Old Joysey 08-09-2016 05:32 PM

So, where's the thread called "lyrics as JackieBlue (mis)heard them?" :)


"Give it to me. NOW!"

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jovifan85 08-09-2016 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1203780)
I mean from the clip you can certainly get the songs vibe and I can't judge it until I hear the whole thing. But the balls it takes to hear 15 seconds of the song and flip off the band for the album sucking, the entitlement of the fans sometimes is mind blowing.

I wasn't saying the album will suck! Hope something can beat thisnfs as a single! Song sounds Rockish, but hopefully Jon did something better on the album! Unless we are settling for this as Rock, when hopefully Jon hopefully can do more I hope!

Rdkopper 08-09-2016 05:38 PM

It's really only 10 seconds. Not what I was expecting but I need more to give it a true opinion.

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jovifan93 08-09-2016 05:38 PM

I'm pretty sure the lyrics are:

This house is not for sale

I set each stone
And I hammered each nail
This house is not for sale

Not so sure about the last line. It's either:

Where memories live

or:

When memories live

Hard to tell without knowing the rest ;-)

EDIT: Oh. And I like what I hear :-)


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