same here but ive ordered on itunes as well so i get all but one track Friday.
Id only do this for Jovi.

so where is everyone buying this album from (I live in the UK by the way).

Amazon seems to indicate £19.89 for the album which is scandalous. Are we being forced to purchase by download which I release is the way everyone does it this days but i still like the hard copy CD. Japan seems a long way an cost just for one song extra. Do't suppose it will be in Tesco or anything like that?

Cheers

Same as you, the Amazon pre-order price is a nonsense. I would use HMV at £9.99 but its £2 delivery under £10. Sod paying £2 for something 1p under that threshold.

Only got Asda and Tesco near work that sell CD's so I'll prob just download the other 5 I haven't got from Google Play and hope one of them has it on Friday. No idea whether it will be in there or not until Friday

Anyone know where to preorder the vinyl? Im in the UK.

I ordered mine via Play.com a few weeks back and it has been marked as Shipped today. Usually takes aorund 3 days for delivery via Play, so I'm hoping that it should arrive by Friday or Saturday at the latest :)

I decided not to buy it this time. I'll take it along with the 2016 album. I don't wanna pay the extra taxes (stupid EU import law) twice in half a year moreover for an album whose physical release is supposed to offer nothing.

Billy co-wrote the 4 below:

"A Teardrop to the Sea",
"Fingerprints",
"Who Would You Die For"
"Life is Beautiful"

Was that vinyl? Got a link? :)

as you know that? you can put all the credits?

Sorry, should have sourced it. Billy's facebook posted it.

Thanks, now only need to know burning bridges song.

Besides Tico's drumming, what else makes this a Bon Jovi album? Are Dave's keys even present on most songs? I don't have an ear for that.

Don't forget that Hugh and even Dave played on DA so in reality, there really isn't much band involvement at all compared to previous releases.

I could see if Dave took part in some of the writing process or his backing vocals were more noticeable with the exception of a song or maybe two.

If you compared past albums to this one between the writing, playing, and vocals; what would each % be between Jon and the rest of the band? I love to see an accurate graph of such a statistic. Like JBJ contributed 90% and the rest of the band contributed 10%...

Sorry, just the standard UK release of the CD version...

To me this is as much as a band album as the last handful. There's certainly snyth and piano parts, whether or not it's David I don't know. I can't consider what you said about D.A. There's a world of difference between Dave playing piano and, I believe, accordion on one song and having that become enough of a sticking point.

If anything Dave's involvement is much larger, I hear his vocals on I'm Your Man, We don't run, Saturday Night. Teardrop and Blind Love have no vocal backings. Whether or not he wrote on it doesn't say anything me because it's been decades since he was seen as a regular co-writer of band songs.

It's possible Dave had a bigger role in the studio but I wouldn't say there's more keyboard parts than past records. The Circle had a ton, What About Now not an overly large abundance in comparison. I really think I'm Your Man is Jon on guitar and Dave on piano which would make it a band sounding song for sure.

I'm not sure if Dave is in I'm Your Man. The second voice seems Bobby, I hope to be play live, and out of doubt. And on the piano, just sounds little in the mix.

I don't have a copy of the finished version, just a youtube rip but the piano is pretty prominent for me. I'm not hearing Bobby really but it's a song right in his wheelhouse playing style so maybe. I'm definitely hearing David in the OOOOOH's.

Am I to read into some of this that David's backing vocals are not as present as they seem to be? Ive thought it was him the whole time, and he was killing it! And happy to have him in such a high spot in the sound. Whoever the vocals are, I like them very much.

Has anyone suggested that "Blind Love" may be an ode to Stephanie's issues? "Welcome to another hard night, you made it through another day..." Generic waitress/tip/joyride reference, but she may really have a waitress job through school. Who knows....

Out of ALL the songs I thought would be stuck in my head, "Teardrop?" NEVER thought that would happen, but I LOVE that track.

Kinda bummed "Burning Bridges" isnt a track in the vein of HAND, but I like the "Love For Sale" feel to it, and find it fitting that both songs closed albums that were ends of chapters for the band.

Sure its already been said, but I think its about the label, not Richie. "After 30 years of loyalty, they let you dig the grave" (they let ME dig my own grave).

So happy to see RdKopper's positive reactions. I totally agree, and am getting a kick out of them, and the whole cycle starting up again. Makes me realize how important the music (and yeah, the guys) are in my life. Even Richie. I hope there's a verse or two in one of the as yet unheard songs (from either camp) that puts the whole thing to bed amicably. Who knows.

So stoked for Jovi 2016.

Anybody knows how ASCAP works exactly? The "About ACE" page isn't really helpful...
I did a research for the 11 BB tracks and the only ones I could find are the BJ & J. Shanks ones, even the ones that haven't been released on singles so far are registered whereas I used to think that a song couldn't be registered unless digitally or physically released or performed in public.

But none of the Falcon songs are listed. Actually there's no ASCAP member called "Billy Falcon" or "William Falcone" (real name) and they're not under Jon's names either... :confused:

And to add to the confusion, I couldn't find these 2 either:
Blind Love - Jon Bon Jovi
Burning Bridges (I assume Jon wrote that one alone as well)

What I'm getting at: many fanpages say that "Rage of Angels" by Jon and D. Child is a new song/a new song from the 2016 album/a new song that'll probably be the 1st single from the 2016 album.
Hmmm... yeah, right! But how do people know it's a new song since ASCAP doesn't give any date, neither the deposit date by the writers or the release date of the song? :confused: Who says it's not an older songs recorded by another artist or a demo?

I'm almost wondering if Teardrop is actually in the same vein as Burning Bridges.

A slightly less in your face introduction to the album and the two fingers to the record company

So this is it
Here it is
My pot of a gold
A Judas kiss

Here's my parting gift, your album to make money but with a sting in the tail

That's how the fandom works. The littlest bit of info snowballs, someone says something, someone runs with it, before you know it every BJ fanplace and message board is treating like scripture. Tracklistings get released and a select few brand the band as liars and assholes when it was never something someone ever said.

But I digress, haha. You're right, there's no way of knowing how old a song is. An example I can think of is Elvis in Vegas getting registered and it going to Meatloaf. Truth is we don't know WHAT RoA is for. Could be from the new album, could be for a totally different project. I think it'd be registered a little too early for it to be the first single. Long story short people need to either not believe everything or make blind theories without backing it up because people WILL run with them.

The past few albums have been the same. We had 9 of the 12 WAN tracks until someone here went extra sneaky and found the extra titles, but they tend to go up in spurts.

Yeah, I know that of course, I'm always the first one to tell people not to jump to conclusions and I always end up being called names by braindead fans who live in their own world of fantasy (remember, not so long ago, I said how badly I had been treated by foreign fans who refused to believe me when I told them the BB tracklist in circulation was not the real one but just a wishlist written by a JTer. All they had to do was to come here and see by themselves but no, they chose to believe it was the real tracklist and it even ended up in online magazines! :lol: :rolleyes: ).

Anyways! My question was really about ASCAP and how it works. I understand Falcon is not a member that's why his songs are not listed but Jon is and, since he's a co-writer, the 4 songs should be listed under his sole name... but they're not. As well as "Blind Love" which is credited to Jon only and has been released as a single. This puzzles me.

Ah fair enough! To be honest I'm not sure. I don't think BL was released as a single. It was released with a lyrics video but that's not the same as released to radio etc. Had it been I think it would have gone up faster.

I think if the co-writer is not a member the name won't be clickable. So songs like Older and Superman Tonight are up. That wouldn't be why those 4 aren't up yet.

Teardrop is a tricky one, but very interesting. I HOPE we can find out collectively or through someone who gets the chance to ask what the real deal is.

I don't think it's label related. Jon repeatedly (I remember a party) spoke about his misery, depression, "pity party" etc. and that he was heartbroken because the NFL deal went to someone else. That was the last chance to become an owner, last leaf on a tree. It was his biggest dream - gone forever now.

My guess is this is NFL related and "Judas kiss" could mean that he or his partners would take the team out of Buffalo though stating that he/they would not. But it's VERY tricky.

Could also be the story seen through someone else's eyes OR a "what if" scenario (if he'd won) OR the pot of gold is his music career or 300 million dollars he'd happily trade in... If anyone has plausible ideas - please share, thanks!

But if the song can be digitally bought on its own before the album is released, doesn't it count as a single? Or is it just an offer to boost pre-ordering the album? Oh shucks! I'm totally lost in the digital world. *migraine migraine!* I'm ol'school: back to mono! ;)


No. The ASCAP/ACE page explains that a song is listed in their catalog when at least one of the co-writers is a member.

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The label is doing some basement clearance! :lol:

Right. So because Jon is a co-writer, anything with Billy is not going to be omitted. His name just wont' be clickable. Or am I not understanding?

Yeah releasing tracks early is just a sales tactic, it doesn't mean it's a single.

I'd love that one to be a new track, because it's easily among the best songs Jon's been involved in for the past decade. If that one and WWYDF are an indication of the immediate future, colour me impressed.

Yes, that's what I understood too. What I don't get is why the Falcon co-written songs are not there whereas the Shanks co-written ones are since being an ASCAP member or not doesn't make any difference re/this kind of info. To confirm, I did a Title search for "Heaven in this Hell" co-written by Orianthi who's not an ASCAP member and see what the page looks like (sorry, I can't do a screenshot or link to the page).

Hmmm... But WDR and Sat/Sun were announced as 2 separate singles AND they're also part of the bonus package offered to you when you pre-order the album, as well as 2 other songs (which ones exactly idk since so far there are 5 songs available, not 4, and I lost track but it's another story). Oh whatever! No big deal!

Hah no worries. I just don't know. It was my understanding that WDR and Saturday Night were released to radio, I didn't think the others were.

I'll look into the rest when Im home.

Billy is the BMI member. His repertoire is here

http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp...affCD=21&term=

There are many unknown songs written with Jon and/or Richie btw.

Oh WOW.

A song called "Kiss the Bastards" written by Jon, Aldo Nova, and Rachel Bolan from Skid Row. Did we know about that one?

Yes! Great song too

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Yep! Thank you but it doesn't solve the mystery.

Only "Fingerprints" is listed but written by Falcon and his daughter so I guess it's a different song.
At least "A Teardrop to the Sea" should be registered since the song can be purchased online.

It's a different song yes. I listened it few days ago.

Haha! Glad to see I'm not the only one busy with this detective work that could be called nit-picking! ;)

i check both databases regularly in fact :-D I know it sounds sick but I even wanted to write some script that would extract new titles automatically.

Oh great! Please don't refrain! :D

That album had a couple of tracks written by members of other bands.

See this thread for a link:
http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/bo...rtists-t69042/

I pre-ordered it a few weeks back at £13.89, I was presuming it would drop to £9.99 by now, instead it went to £16, then unavailable. Order still says it will be dispatched for delivery on the 21st, but I'm doubting they have it. I can see myself picking it up in HMV at the weekend.

Indeed. For example "Against The Wall" co-written by OBIE ??? :-o

Edit: there's others co-written by him and some Mansour Soraia, like "What You Say Ain't Always What You Mean". Does anyone know from when they are or for whom they were written (if ever used)?

http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp...Affiliation=NA