Pretty much what Seb said. Jon rarely was good at a tour start in comparison to a couple of shows into the tour. Even New Jersey, Keep The Faith or These Days concerts were to have their peak some weeks/months into the tour.

Even when people think that he was sensational in 1993, it was only in a short time frame from mid-March to May. In fact, 1993 was his most inconsistent tour of the first 20 years (leaving the abrupt vocal loss in 1987 aside).

The problem is that he never learned and perfected a certain technique. The way he sang in April of 1993 was pretty much different to the summer of 1995, to the early 2000's and then to his Indian summer from 2008 to 2011. He always just used what was best for the situation without really sticking to a certain way, without perfecting it and without taking too much care of preserving it until it was way too late.

When you're young and invincible, you are not looking 35 years into the future... Especially considering a bands shelf life was 10 to 15 years.

Even if he had a coach with him from inception, they didn't have the knowledge that they do today. Today's artists learned from past artists like Jon...

They are so many great vocalists who lost their talent from the 80s. Mariah Carey immediately comes to mind.

Vocal surgery was definitely more of a risk back then as well... When you hear that artists like Adele had surgery, it makes you wonder what happened to cause that and would she had been able to recover without it?

Jon has changed his vocal techniques so many times between albums and tours. Even though I complained during the time, it was suitable for him. After 2013, it all suddenly went down hill very fast.

Because surgery is not an option, Jon is now relearning how to sing. I've actually noticed some improvements but nothing to get too excited for.

Besides his tone being more raw, he is using too many tricks that make his songs unenjoyable.

Slowing them down, singing behind them, changing lyrics, skipping lyrics, combining lyrics, mumbling them.






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Jon will never relearn how to sing properly. He’s shot for good, sadly.

Interview to Everett Bradley: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...-jovi-1104365/
Everett: Jon makes a plan and he sticks to the plan. He doesn’t deviate much. That’s just kind of how he rolls. That’s how he rolls as a business guy, too. It makes sense and it works for him. There’s comfort in that.
He has audibles at the end, but you know what audibles are in the mix. There’s no surprises.

"Me identifiqué mucho con Elvis, sí. Me encanta su estilo de canto, era un tipo muy leal, estaba un poco engañado, pero en general era un buen tipo." -Jon Bon Jovi
https://www.plasticosydecibelios.com...-sobre-el-rey/

Just read a bit through scans of old BWJBJ magazines (around 1989-1992). They always had a Q&A with Jon in them. Some song info:
- the band never recorded Cadillac Man in the studio
- The Sole Truth was never fully recorded for the KTF album
- Fighter For Love was actually written and given to Peter Frampton who didn't end up recording the song after all

That's why its important for us to get these songs in some type of professional recording. Both Live and Demo format.



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Completely agreed. Just found it interesting in terms of us sorting through what possibly is out there and in which kind of recording format :)

Had no idea Fighter for Love went past that writing session. NEAT! Always amused me the rhyming scheme came back in Undivided.

Some type of professional release of Hammersmith and the Early Cout Basie shows can solve 90% of fans hungers.

When I spoke with Obie a few years back, he said there is just a front of the house recording of Hammersmith (so he cant mix it)... I told him a professional release is better than all that other garbage out there and he agreed...

Releasing a video of the concert on The Experience could be the perfect workaround for us to get decent audio.

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Which most probably would be a better mix than any live version he has ever mixed in the past...

Lol. True...

But they did release other songs like Going Back so who the hell knows what they really have.

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Wasn't the released version of Goin' Back recorded at the soundcheck? And not on the show?

Was Goin back ever played live again after Hammersmith?

I am currently about to move house and whilst clearing out my loft i FINALLY found my vinyl of the Hammersmith show. Its in FM stereo. Is that as good as quality that is out there?

The version on the Miricle single was from the actual show, and was the same as featured on the FM broadcast.

Yeah, my bad, I had it mixed up. I remember something about a song having been recorded at the Hammersmith soundcheck, but it also could've been the version of Seven Days that's played in the credits of the AAA video.

Obie O'Brien 2019
vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfHB...ature=youtu.be
pics http://www.obieobrien.com/2019/08/bon-jovi-tour-2019/

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So listening Full Moon High today....

What angle do you think they were coming from with lyrics like this..

“A penny for your thoughts now, baby
Tell me what you see
You know I want to play with you but this ain't hide and seek with Me
Can't you see

I know your mama don't approve of what I'm thinking of
You give me just the little things but touches ain't enough

You say stop, I say go
I say yeah, you say no, no, no, no, no
I just can't wait, girls like you start much too late
And oh, you can't save me now”

So.........

A teenager wanting his end away?
A sex pest?

I love this song but can see why it didn’t make the album due to the lyrical content it’s not how they normally write.


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A more explicit and midtempo Living In Sin kind of song.

What's the best version that has leaked of the Burn With Me demo? Did it only appear on Youtube back then or did the lossless copy go around?
I gotta admit that I didn't pay too much attention to it at the time because the chorus was sounding so robotic.

Is this Demo really a from Crush-Sex Sells recordings? Any solid data to confirm this?

That was what Obie said at the time.

Did he? I remember it being a demo for Keep The Faith.

Same. I remember the site saying Keep the Faith but not sure what it said exactly.

The drum sound, the heavy chorus effect on the guitars, the keys, everything just screams early 90's BJ to me but I've been wrong before!

There is a chance I'm confusing it with one of the other demos that came out around that time.

Definitely early 90's by the sound of it, though I could even imagine placing it in the Open All Night sessions.

Funny how they went to release some KTF outtakes in the later 90's - wasn't Drive released then as well?

Yep, Drive was '91ish, for sure a Grey Summer period song. Even listening to the guitar tones I really think it was the same early KTF sessions for Do It To Ya.

I don't think you are. Something got posted somewhere that said it was a Crush outtake but I don't know who said what and when and it was just generally accepted it was from the 2000's.

It definitely doesn't sound early 90s to me at all...

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I've always been led to believe it was an outtake from Crush.

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Listen to the way Richie is playing from 2:14 to around 2:35. I cant think of a single Crush b-side/demo that has that kind of playing, both in style or tone, but it fits right in to the '91 to early '94 era well. Even listening to it back to back with Prostitute, the style of playing and drum sound feels like a match. Just wish I could remember where on the site it was posted to be for KTF.

Maybe Yovana can tell us if that song was already on one of the KTF demo cassettes?

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Same here. The tuning, the playing, even Jon's "lazy grunge" vocal approach are very much early to mid 90s.

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I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying I've always heard it referred to as a Crush era song.

I've just give it a listen and agree, musically, it bares the style of early 90's BJ but the vocal... I just can't decide.

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Oh, absolutely. It's been labeled as such for such a long time.

Vocally is where it gets muddy. He's clearing doing a guide vocal so it's tough to judge it on technical abilities.

I think that's why many people displace it. His guide vocal was done as a necessity at the time, but utilized as a stylistic device in songs like Temptation or Two Story Town. This demo has a slight rasp to his vocals that was more natural (i.e. less forced/strained) to his vocals in the early 90's and that's why I'd completely put it there. I don't think they redid the vocal take like on some songs for the box set or that Starting All Over Again.

Not on the cassettes.

INTERESTING. This blows some holes into my theories.

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#/ace...ter=SVW&page=1


Closer "Westlife" was written by Jon, Richie and Shanks according to ASCAP, but the origin of this song still remains a mystery.

In your opinion ASCAP is always reliable or not???