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Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1206126)
Yeah, Who Would You Die For was a mirage. Jon can not do this more. I don't understand, A Teardrop To The Sea, We Don't Run, Sunday Morning, I'm Your Man, Take Back The Night... all vocals sounds better than this. I thought they had taken the time and effort to make things better than Burning Bridges, however, now being worse.

By the way, Jon said the band had recorded together, but do not sound organic, seems recorded as their last albums.

Bon Jovi need a new musical direction, need to Sambora and needs urgently a new producer. Oh, and a miracle for the voice of Jon.

They don't need Sambora, they need him to want to be there. Listen to what he's putting out and come tell me he's the saviour that will fix the trainwreck you think the band is. If you dare say I can't judge what he's doing based on one sample....THIS IS ONE SONG OF 17. There was good on BB, there was crap on BB. Same as all their past albums, every one.

rolo_tomachi 09-08-2016 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1206127)
They don't need Sambora, they need him to want to be there. Listen to what he's putting out and come tell me he's the saviour that will fix the trainwreck you think the band is. If you dare say I can't judge what he's doing based on one sample....THIS IS ONE SONG OF 17. There was good on BB, there was crap on BB. Same as all their past albums, every one.

I will clarify. They need a new musical direction because this popy electronic sound begins to sound stale. Need to Sambora because they give a stronger image band, especially to bring the co-writer and his voice, which is a great added value. They need a new producer because the Shanks tricks are increasingly clumsy and do not work.


That's my opinion on the matter. You can disagree if you want.

JoltingJovian 09-08-2016 07:54 PM

Can i get a dm to knockout please my friends

Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1206129)
I will clarify. They need a new musical direction because this popy electronic sound begins to sound stale. Need to Sambora because they give a stronger image band, especially to bring the co-writer and his voice, which is a great added value. They need a new producer because the Shanks tricks are increasingly clumsy and do not work.


That's my opinion on the matter. You can disagree if you want.

You're allowed to have an opinion, I'm not trying to discourage that. Sambora was there for every post 2000 album and people aren't raving and hoping for a return to form to that era. He co-wrote every word on The Circle and people bitch about that album. The lyrics are going to be what they are with or without him, the tone of Jons voice will be what it is with or without him. I absolutely agree it's time for a change in producer, and I only want Sambora back if he drops this cool guy shtick and both Jon and Richie agree to write and not worry about one syllable word, universal themes.

crashed 09-08-2016 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GabrielC (Post 1206108)
Also, anyone else annoyed with the Boom Boom Boom line? I can't stop thinking about Katy Perry now. FFS, Jon.

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Jon did "boom, boom boom's" way before Katy Perry - - like in Keep The Faith in the Bounce tour.

And I loved that.

rolo_tomachi 09-08-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1206132)
Jon did "boom, boom boom's" way before Katy Perry - - like in Keep The Faith in the Bounce tour.

And I loved that.

Yeah, this pretty cool. My only complaint is about the voice recording, especially the first verses, they could have made a better effort to get something good. Then there is the matter of the guitars, that at this point we are used to not listen.

angelsambo 09-08-2016 08:18 PM

my thoughts are with phil x,he should never have accepted the bon jovi offer
it's one thing to help the band and tour with them(no problem with that) but it's a totally different story to put my name on something where i have ZERO INPUT-INFLUENCE on music,production,guitar sound etc...that can easily destroy my reputation as a great rock guitar player

Javier 09-08-2016 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by angelsambo (Post 1206135)
my thoughts are with phil x,he should never have accepted the bon jovi offer
it's one thing to help the band and tour with them(no problem with that) but it's a totally different story to put my name on something where i have ZERO INPUT-INFLUENCE on music,production,guitar sound etc...that can easily destroy my reputation as a great rock guitar player

The dude has played with everyone from avril lavinge, to Kelly Clarkson and he's even featured on the ninja turtles theme from the last movie. I doubt his reputation is gonna be affected by this song, and now we can perfectly see that his "out of the 4 I recorded I wrote 3" was because one (this one) didn't have a solo.....

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angelsambo 09-08-2016 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1206136)
The dude has played with everyone from avril lavinge, to Kelly Clarkson and he's even featured on the ninja turtles theme from the last movie...

as a session guitarist not as an official band member

Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 08:36 PM

This is what Phil X does. He comes in, plays what you pay him to play and moves on. This is one of the few times he's gone the next step of playing it live. To play devil's advocate, there IS a solo. It's a memorable lick but not the solo most of us are craving on a song like this. I really hope this is the 1 of the 4 he doesn't think has a solo but there kind of is one.

steel_horse75 09-08-2016 08:43 PM

Just played it to the wife and as someone who isn't a fan of newer stuff she really likes it

steel_horse75 09-08-2016 08:44 PM

I think the band need to work with Bob Rock again.

bjcrazycpa 09-08-2016 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1206138)
This is what Phil X does. He comes in, plays what you pay him to play and moves on. This is one of the few times he's gone the next step of playing it live. To play devil's advocate, there IS a solo. It's a memorable lick but not the solo most of us are craving on a song like this. I really hope this is the 1 of the 4 he doesn't think has a solo but there kind of is one.

I agree and based on his Instagram post yesterday the guy is genuinely over the moon to be in the band right now.

BonJovi100 09-08-2016 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1206140)
I think the band need to work with Bob Rock again.

Listening new snippets from RSO stuff I don't think that's he is now good person for next producer.

JoltingJovian 09-08-2016 09:00 PM

Guys i asked for a dm or a link. Lets not be selfish and spread the boom boom boom

Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 09:02 PM

A link was posted pages back, no ones being selfish. Are people even looking before they beg for DMs? It's out there.

angelsambo 09-08-2016 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1206140)
I think the band need to work with Bob Rock again.


Dave Cobb would be a great choice but obviously grandpa jon has not the balls to change the producer

JoltingJovian 09-08-2016 09:06 PM

Just post the link again. Obviously i couldnt find it. And dont want to or need to go back trawling through people moaning about no guitar solo etc. Just post the link again.

Adam D 09-08-2016 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JoltingJovian (Post 1206146)
Just post the link again. Obviously i couldnt find it. And dont want to or need to go back trawling through people moaning about no guitar solo etc. Just post the link again.

Warning : You can't unhear this.

http://picosong.com/zMR2

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Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JoltingJovian (Post 1206146)
Just post the link again. Obviously i couldnt find it. And dont want to or need to go back trawling through people moaning about no guitar solo etc. Just post the link again.

People post the link, you don't care enough to look for it. You call people selfish and then go after people for not reposting it for your benefit. Please tell me you see how rude you're coming across. This board doesn't exist to mainly help people who rarely post until song leaks and then it's a million requests for PMs.

Dave88 09-08-2016 09:41 PM

What the f*** did I just heard?? Awful.

I stand by what I said after the snippet:
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Originally Posted by Dave88 (Post 1206008)
Compared to this turd THINFS looks like a masterpiece.


Thierry 09-08-2016 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave88 (Post 1206149)
What the f*** did I just heard?? Awful.

I stand by what I said after the snippet:

I agree ffing terrible. Way too poppy for my liking. Don't like this house is not for sale either. Still, hope for a couple of good tracks on the album.

SuperBrad 09-08-2016 09:51 PM

Omfg , please tell me that is not the final cut . Maybe someone has leaked an unfinished version or something .... Is the clip official ? Im normally a positive person and try look on the bright side of things but i cant do it for this one :( . Im giving it a 2/10 .

steel_horse75 09-08-2016 10:19 PM

I think the mix lets a good pop rock song down. Guitars are way too low. No solo? I still don't get why that's the case.

I do like the song but it's amazing to think this song is written by same person who wrote KTF, Dry County, BTBMB, IDFY etc.

I do like the two new songs better than BWC. So that's something!!

James_86 09-08-2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1206140)
I think the band need to work with Bob Rock again.

Rick Rubin for me. Would never happen though.

Not sure where I stand on Knockout. The sound reminds me of The Circle era, very keyboard and percussion driven. It's so basic though, lyrics offer nothing new at all and it sounds so rough and demo-like.

jovifan85 09-08-2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1206152)
I think the mix lets a good pop rock song down. Guitars are way too low. No solo? I still don't get why that's the case.

I do like the song but it's amazing to think this song is written by same person who wrote KTF, Dry County, BTBMB, IDFY etc.

I do like the two new songs better than BWC. So that's something!!

It's sad to see the decline of Jon. That comes with age and his mistakes with mistreating his voice which is now all evident.

I did Buy WAN and probably will THINFS, But this version of Jon I don't like to see....but we have. I will always listen to his music regardless that now his voice is very bad vocally.....

Alphavictim 09-08-2016 10:31 PM

If Bounce has a solo, then so does this song.

First vocal line made me think the upload was fake or edited. What the hell. Sounds like 80s Heart or something like that, so yeah, girlish. Also, that woaoaoaoaoaoaoa-thing at the very start... holy crap.

I actually like the lyrical delivery of the bridge - it's the same old topic, but I like the way it's put. The chorus is catchy, and beyond the first line, the verses are engaging enough, too. Song should actually have a 2 second pause after its end, then a ripping solo, then the chorus over and over again. If it were, say, 2005, we might even get that live. These days, I don't know. I don't see Phil getting extended jam spots, or Jon belting out a better vocal live than in the studio.

It IS pretty much We Don't Run 2, though, so I don't see the big disappointment from the people who loved that one.

Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1206155)
If Bounce has a solo, then so does this song.

First vocal line made me think the upload was fake or edited. What the hell. Sounds like 80s Heart or something like that, so yeah, girlish. Also, that woaoaoaoaoaoaoa-thing at the very start... holy crap.

I actually like the lyrical delivery of the bridge - it's the same old topic, but I like the way it's put. The chorus is catchy, and beyond the first line, the verses are engaging enough, too. Song should actually have a 2 second pause after its end, then a ripping solo, then the chorus over and over again. If it were, say, 2005, we might even get that live. These days, I don't know. I don't see Phil getting extended jam spots, or Jon belting out a better vocal live than in the studio.

It IS pretty much We Don't Run 2, though, so I don't see the big disappointment from the people who loved that one.

YES. Exactly how I see this one. It won't be my favourite track on this album but it's clear the modern sound they're going after. It's catchy as heck and there absolutely IS A SOLO. It's not anything more than a lick but sorry folks, that's a solo. Would have loved less gaps in the verse and more guitars in the chorus. Lyrics are drab but the energy is okay!

Six-String 09-08-2016 11:13 PM

I've got a hypothetical question:
Would it be possible for Jon to solve his voice problems if he undergoes any kind of surgery (throat, pipes or larynx)?
Is there any chance (after a surgery) for him to return to his range he had back in 2010/11 or in the first half of the BWC-Tour?

DryCounty 09-08-2016 11:37 PM

I was kind of let down by WAN, but after hearing Knockout and THINFS I'm very excited for the new album. Two great power pop songs. Nice to see David getting a lot of room in the mix, also likes Hugh's bass line in the verses.
Can see why some people are not into it, but as a huge fan of modern pop rock this sounds very promising, a lot fresher than WAN.

Captain_jovi 09-08-2016 11:49 PM

Good point, the bass is sounding really good, very prominent with some punch.

Rdkopper 09-08-2016 11:58 PM

Just listened to Knockout and it's not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It's a filler track but not that horrible either.

IMO it's the final version of Take Back The Night and if accept that song, you can equally accept this one too. The worst thing Jon did was release Burning Bridges prior to this and then say something along the lines of this album being so much better... All we are getting is the second half of a double album...

I believe too that there are some better tracks to come...

Rdkopper 09-09-2016 12:00 AM

It would be nice if the confirmed album tracks were part of the sticky thread:

1. "This House Is Not for Sale"
Jon Bon Jovi John Shanks Billy Falcon
3:36
2. "Living With the Ghost"
Bon Jovi

3. "Knockout"
Bon Jovi Shanks
3:29
4. "Labor of Love"
Bon Jovi Shanks Falcon

5. "Born Again Tomorrow"
Bon Jovi Shanks Falcon

6. "Rollercoaster"
Bon Jovi Chris DeStefano Ashley Gorley

7. "New Year's Day"
Bon Jovi Falcon

8. "Devils in the Temple"
Bon Jovi Falcon

9. "Scars on This Guitar"
Bon Jovi Falcon Brett James

10. "God Bless This Mess"
Bon Jovi

11. "Reunion"
Bon Jovi

12. "Come On Up to Our House"
Bon Jovi Shanks

BonJovi100 09-09-2016 12:29 AM

Ok. I will play a little advocate of devil but....
You all say bad things about Shanks...
But BJ probably worked with one of the best MIX Engineer right now - Michael Brauer. And his job is makeing all pieces to work togheter (how high sound is guitar ecc). And this 6x Grammy winner is best known to work with... Coldplay ;)
He isn't main reason why guitars are so low in mix?

SuperBrad 09-09-2016 01:09 AM

Knockout is on Itunes along with 17 track preorder ;)

BonJovi100 09-09-2016 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperBrad (Post 1206170)
Knockout is on Itunes along with 17 track preorder ;)

And people say that quality of Jons vocal is better

Matteo 09-09-2016 01:18 AM

Knockout is on Spotify (since midnight here in Italy) as well


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KSantaFe 09-09-2016 01:20 AM

I think I kinda get the song now. It's certainly is missing some crunchy guits, but I really like the bridge, and the chorus is catchy as all hell. The that little bit of guitar in the second verse and those 80s synths leading into the second chorus are really nice to hear as well. It does do something different which I can appreciate, and there is a very slight early-80s pop vibe imo. Would've loved for KO to be a rocker, but this is an interesting alternative.

liljovi93 09-09-2016 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BonJovi100 (Post 1206171)
And people say that quality of Jons vocal is better

Really? In what way? Less like a woman at the start?

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Captain_jovi 09-09-2016 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1206166)
It would be nice if the confirmed album tracks were part of the sticky thread:

1. "This House Is Not for Sale"
Jon Bon Jovi John Shanks Billy Falcon
3:36
2. "Living With the Ghost"
Bon Jovi

3. "Knockout"
Bon Jovi Shanks
3:29
4. "Labor of Love"
Bon Jovi Shanks Falcon

5. "Born Again Tomorrow"
Bon Jovi Shanks Falcon

6. "Rollercoaster"
Bon Jovi Chris DeStefano Ashley Gorley

7. "New Year's Day"
Bon Jovi Falcon

8. "Devils in the Temple"
Bon Jovi Falcon

9. "Scars on This Guitar"
Bon Jovi Falcon Brett James

10. "God Bless This Mess"
Bon Jovi

11. "Reunion"
Bon Jovi

12. "Come On Up to Our House"
Bon Jovi Shanks

Im not home right now, could one of the other mods take care of this please?


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