Does anyone know if we will get a video for knockout ?
I think I am one of the few fans that love knockout.
I like more than THINFS

Time will tell but it doesn't look like it. It's common nowadays to put out 2, 3 or up to 5 songs out there before an albums release and offer them as early downloads when pre ordering. Buy as far as everything points out, House has been the only officially released 'single' as well as video. But still hoping they start promoting the song and playing it live, I think the live version could pack more punch if they turn up the guitars :-D

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Referring to history, track 3 had almost always official video:

03. She Don't Know Me
03. Only Lonely
03. Livin' on a Prayer
03. Born to Be My Baby
03. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
03. This Ain't a Love Song
03. Thank You for Loving Me
03. The Distance (NO VIDEO)
03. Welcome to Wherever You Are
03. (You Want to) Make a Memory
03. Work for the Working Man (NO VIDEO)
03. What About Now

Easy calculation: 83,3% chance, that we get official music video for "Knockout" :cool:

If interested Jon is live now on BJ facebook

"I think if you liked Have a Nice Day and liked These Days, you will like this album" Im intrigued that he name dropped those two albums specifically. Time will tell but I'm excited by that.

Apart from what Captain_jovi mentioned above, that Q&A was a dud.

Just heard both songs back to back on the radio just now. Along with the dj mentioning that jbj was doing a live q and a. Which I completely forgot about. Lol

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My ears perked up a bit when I heard that too. Judging by the two songs we've heard, I think he's referring the angst in the lyrics.

Thanks for the quote Matt. I tried to be covert and sneak on my phone at work to listen/watch but no such luck. :)

If we got the lyrical content of TD and the angst of HAND I'd be happy. After listening to the title track and Knockout back to back there is a big level of aggression that was mostly empty on WAN. I dig that.

I'm not expecting something vocally like TD, or HAND on THINFS! I think Jon meant what you said above. Interesting that Jon said he couldn't write livin' on a prayer for today as he is 54. Not that anyone expects that at his age.

He didn't touch on his vocals obviously, but I guess he knows his strengths and weaknesses and that will reflect on THINFS and future albums. Just hope his voice can be on better shape as he goes on, not expecting anything great, just better than what we heard on WAN TOUR, say THE GREATEST HITS TOUR at best, if his voice can do that.....

We got a Desmond Child mention in the Live FB and a Ritchie too! Also how he doesn't just write/or record a song just like that....interesting about BORN AGAIN TOMORROW, The song is about would you change something you did in your life and Jon said no.

Jon said that BORN AGAIN TOMORROW WILL BE RELEASED SOON! like Knock-out I guess, unless this is the second single of THINFS?

It would be great next week is available. I would not mind discover every week a new song as he did with BB and NJ Deluxe Edition. Especially knowing that we will have 17 songs adding bonus tracks.

Am I the only one romantic here who didnt listen to Knockout and wont listen anymore until I got the record in my hands?

I tried hard and didn't listen to clips but with full songs available I caved!! But, I will say I think that's the last one.

You don't even believe yourself!! [emoji14]

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Ha ha...you know me too well! ;)

My biggest gripe with these new songs (well, it's been like that for some time now) is that they sound too much like any other song out there.
Back in 2001 Jon said in a VH-1 documentary (can't remember if it was Behind The Music or Ultimate Albums) about the period of SWW:
"We realized with being who were, and not trying to be anything else - you sink or swim on that. Don't chase something you're not 'cause you're gonna be a day late!"

Well, that's exactly what they're doing nowadays. They've always used to incorporate currently popular styles into their music but it was always the BJ sound with different influences added to it. The last few albums sound like it could've been done by any band, there's not much of their trademark sound left. It's not only due to the decline of Jon's voice, also the drum patterns and keyboard sounds could've all been programmed or played by John Shanks.
It's not that they shouldn't try, especially with Richie being gone, to re-establish themselves and find their identity again. But they're not finding it, they're losing it more and more. One or two of these are nice for a listening inbetweent, but the substance behind the material seems to be missing more and more.

I believe the songs not destined for radio will be closer to the Bon Jovi signature that (not only) you crave. But much of that was built up on powerful delivery of lyrics, vocal range, innovative licks and emotional solos. Unfortunately these ingredients have slowly disappeared from the Bon Jovi cake. This will never come back.

I must say that I still prefer Jon's version of Knockout to the other singer's in the video posted somewhere on this site. The vocals might be technically superior than Jon's, but there's something - whether tangible or intangible - that other artists can't replicate. I don't know exactly what that is, (loyalty? history?) but for me it's still there and that's why I still support Bon Jovi and look forward to every new release...even with Richie gone (to be honest, with the songs already released, you wouldn't know he's gone judging by the guitar parts). I'm also very looking forward to Richie and Orianthi's album....maybe even a tad more :)

I've always said,since the very first listening,that the drums in Because We Can are not played by Tico,but programmed in the studio.

No. You re not the only one. I try to find the way to play "THINFS" first time on Vinyl ;D I never do that but I WANT IT!
I will listen snippets only from bonus track and full songs (bonus tracks) when they will leak.

I watched the THINFS video when it was released, but I haven't listened to Knockout yet. Can't say I won't cave, but at this time, I think I want to just wait and listen to the whole album straight through on release day.

Which song do you think could be the third single ?
In my opinion it could be Scars on this guitar or maybe God BlessThis Mess

Jon said that it will be "Born Again Tomorrow"

I'm expecting an album with some good songs, some filler and a few gems.

I wonder what Bruce Fairbairn and Bob Rock could have got out of Bon Jovi over the past 16years and what Shanks' production would have done to the 80's or 90's Jovi?

Looks like the Target version is the same as the Japanese version, 18 tracks.
Dang, I just spent all of that money for the Japanese version and for a DVD that isn't even the correct region for the US. Should've waited haha.

http://www.target.com/p/bon-jovi-thi...e/-/A-51582390

To be honest it doesn't matter if Bob Rock returned, it doesn't mask Jon's declining vocals. What could another producer do differently to John Shanks? Change the production? Perhaps? But again the producers fit arounds Jon's worsening vocals, no new producer is going to mask Jon's bad voice. Hence the John Shanks production we get.

Really? If you took Jon's voice out of WAN, for example, you don't think Bruce Fairbairn and Bob Rock could have produced and mixed a better sounding album?

We have to accept Jon as we have him. Would their production be different Today? I don't know? Remember this isn't the Jon, Bob Rock worked with.

My view is the production may change if Jon loses John Shanks, but not by much. Why his Voice, is the main reason. If his voice was in better shape perhaps we would have better production, like a HAND Album at best!

I love Bon Jovi, but for worse we have the production we have due to his voice and age.

That would be at least another phil x track, and One of those for which he wrote the guitar parts (If i got that right).
Granted though that its Not a very long Song, so It's very unlikely We will See a long, epic Kind of solo.

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I agree regarding the voice. Personally, Jon generally doesn't sound too bad on albums. (granted, there are some songs or lines which are not his best delivery) I don't really know if any other producer could help him or disguise it better than Shanks does.

It's all guesswork but I feel Shanks is a safety net for Jon. And people often lose passion when they are content. Shanks may well be simply doing as his employer asks. Or he may be guiding and advising the band more than we know.

How many times have we heard a BJ song/album over the past decade and thought, "it's decent, I quite like that part but why no solo, why bury the guitars, why no extended outros etc? I have on every release.

Is Shanks the problem? I hear lots of songs with potential that never quite fulfil it. Isn't the sign of a good producer someone who brings out the best in an artist, who has ideas and suggestions that enhance a song? Going off past history, I'd say Fairbairn and Rock are more likely to do that with a band like Jovi than Shanks.

Shanks is doing the job Jon wants him to do. That's the sound Jon wants, plenty of producers could mask Jon's voice problems. You really think when Bob Rock produced The offspring he didn't mask Dexter's much damaged and limited voice within layers of backing vocals and room effects and reverb?? Jon and John have developed a camaraderie since the hand album, when and if Jon decides to change direction it'll happen. The only thing that annoys me a bit about Shanks production is that the way he layers the songs masks much of what's going on instrumentally, there's plenty of guitar work on this house is not for sale that just hidden behind noise and not put in a way that can be heard....

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I'm not suggesting Jon isn't a huge part of the direction the band have taken. He's been chasing the It's My Life formula since it became a hit.

I feel Shanks is happy in producing throwaway pop/rock songs. That coupled with Jon's relentless chase of the hit single makes a very safe collaboration.

Take any BJ song from the last decade. Is John Shanks' production the best that this song could have possibly sounded like? Could anything have been added or removed or could a different mix of backing vocals, keys or guitar have elevated the song, or is the song simply as good as it could possibly be?

While I understand that could be levelled at various bands and various songs, with Shanks, the feeling that a few tweaks here or there could have made a huge difference to a song, is a reoccurring thing.

Sometimes an artist is too close to a song to be able to judge it impartially. Shanks co writes with JBJ.

I think fresh ears and ideas would have helped produce better songs.

I don't get it. Sorry I never saw this film....

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Hahaha I was just referencing the title, and how much sense you're making.

Oh gotcha lol!!

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I listened to Knockout today in my car and all I got to say that it's the type of song that gets your blood rushing and gets you in the mood for a bit of street racing. Love the aggression that it has!!

The only thing is, I hear "White Wedding" by Billy Idol in that bass line

Which ones??? Curious!

The begining remind me for moments Bonnie Tyler - I Need a Hero, but Bonnie song is more energy and passion. The magic of 80s.