Cool, only remains to discover that brings Walmart version.

Of course they don't ship to Argentina :(

Rolo, are you gonna buy whatever version it is that contains Rage Of Angels?

I think rage of angels is gonna be the song that is featured on the netflix movie that's gonna be released within a month or so....

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I'll be very honest, I have reached a point where I don't know whether to buy the album. I have an internal struggle, not support any product with this musical direction, even less without Richie Sambora. But the plan could change. I just need some greatness in the album.

Rage Of Angels should be included, is impossible for a song with that title is bad.

The one with Beautiful Day on...

In this case
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...64/200/acb.jpg:lol:

Now listening to Burning Bridges album and Beautiful day I can feel the voice of Jon in better shape than Knockout and This house is Not For Sale. What happened?

I listened to Knockout once and will be surprised if I ever listen to it again. 2/10 at best for me.

Both Jon and Richie are pushing out some awful stuff lately. I hope it changes, This House was good, but I am not excited for the album at all. Perhaps this is the cycle (including Richie's album) when I leave the band for good.

Luckily there are the fantastic albums (Bon Jovi to These Days) that can never be taken away.

My valoration of Knockout is 5/10. Come on, not bad. Just you need some guitars and best vocal takes.

I'd help you out and send it to you. You can PM me and let me know what you want and from which seller.

Agreed. I had been listening to THINFS quite a few times, telling myself that it's a decent song. Then, last night on my way home, My Guitar Lies Bleeding In My Arms came on and it was like something from a different world.

I ve just listened to "Save A Prayer" and I can't see Where,When,How and Why this band went away?

"THIS HOUSE IS NOT FOR SALE" CREDTIS:

Acoustic Guitar, Electric Guitar – John Shanks
Backing Vocals [Background Vocalist] – David Bryan, Hugh McDonald, John Shanks, Jon Bon Jovi, Tico Torres
Bass Guitar – Hugh McDonald
Drums – Tico Torres
Engineer [Recording Engineer] – Paul Lamalfa
Keyboards – David Bryan, John Shanks
Mixed By – Michael Brauer
Mixed By [Assistant Mixer] – Steve Vealey
Percussion, Programmed By [Programmer] – John Shanks
Producer – John Shanks, Jon Bon Jovi
Written-By [Author], Composed By – Billy Falcon, John Shanks, Jon Bon Jovi


"KNOCKOUT" CREDITS:

Acoustic Guitar, Electric Guitar – John Shanks
Backing Vocals – David Bryan, John Shanks, Phil X
Bass Guitar – Hugh McDonald
Coordinator [Production Coordinator] – Shari Sutcliffe
Engineer – Kenta Yonesaka, Obie O'Brien, Paul Lamalfa
Engineer [Asst. Recording Engineer] – Gosha Usov, Nate Thor Oden
Guitar – Phil X
Keyboards – David Bryan, Thomas Dutton
Mixed By – Michael H. Brauer
Mixed By [Assistant] – Steve Vealey
Producer – John Shanks, Jon Bon Jovi
Programmed By – Carl Falk, John Shanks, Thomas Dutton
Vocals – Jon Bon Jovi
Written-By [Author], Composed By – John Shanks, Jon Bon Jovi

Interesting that Jon is credited for Vocals on Knockout, but not on This House Is Not For Sale. :D

Shanks sang lead on this [emoji14]

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I made the mistake of doing that last week. Same songs... It reminded me why I'm a fan and what they were capable of.
They are a different band now, no doubt. That's fine but all else aside (current state of vocals, the disappearance of Richie, album production), the lyrics are just so surface level uninspired. I haven't been moved by their lyrics in a long time.

Now Jon says if we like TD and HAND, we'll like the new album. I'm just hoping for something a little more genuine and thought provoking than what we've heard so far. And dammit if Jon sings "Live your life", "this is your life" or "it's my life" one more time...

Way too many people too consumed with why things aren't as good as HAND, TD, etc. Lets just be grateful this band is still here and we still get to listen.....so forget the John's voice is shit, Shanks overproduces everything BS. We're pretty damn lucky overall and these 2 singles are awesome and better than 95% of the other shit on radio these days. Looking forward to the album from my favourite band! Peace out!!

There is no Tico in "Knockout" too :D

John Shanks has gone further and has a software program loquendo with voice of Jon.
:D

Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist but, knockout sounds like it could be programed drum machines and loops entirely.... please prove me wrong someone!!

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It is quite possible that they forget Tico in the credits, but would not surprise me they use program loops. Anyway I like the drums sound, it has a touch of 80s. as the chorus of principle, that reminds me I Need a Hero by Bonnie Tyler.

I have some experience with VSTi, which are pre-recorded samples of (let's say) drums and the final product that you can create only by playing some stuff on midi keyboards and a few clicks is amazingly close to professionally record a real drummer. And I am a rookie, imagine what Shanks could do with this software.

So yeah... it could easily be true!

In 2013 he said that he recorded all drums and percussion on the Bon Jovi albums. I believe him and I hope that nothing has changed.

Listen to it here at 1:15:

Didn't I read somewhere that Shanks programs the drums for the track and then Tico is pretty much the last guy in the studio? So the drums are real, but that's not to say it's a track the band has played together.

Stupid that it sounds it is not unknown for a drummer to drum to a track and then have their entire performance replaced by programmed drums mimicking what they have played.

I'm almost 100% sure that's what happened on the last Aerosmith album and it could very well be the case on What About Now (and possible THINFS too). That way you get the human touch from the drummer but the production possibilities of the computer sounds too - in theory the best of both worlds. Although I have to say I hate the sound of the drum on the Aerosmith album.

I do not believe him. In a promotional interview they lie. I do not think that Tico play on all the songs.

I agree with this. I still think that he didn't play on This Is Love, This Is Life and No Apologies.

I used to think like you, before I saw this interview with Tico, which was recalled recently by Rocknation.

The drums in many recent Bon Jovi songs sound unnatural, and that's a fact. One thing in common is that all suspicious tracks come from the albums produced by John Shanks.

I think it was never mentioned on this board before, but Jeff Rothschild played on the drums in the "Nothing", as well as John Shanks played on the guitars, keys and bass, and Jamie Muhoberac played on the additional keys. Sambora did only a guitar solo and backing vocals. But as we all know, the song didn't made the final "Have a Nice Day" album. Even as a bonus track. Similar story goes to the box-set, where we got a lot of solo songs with Kenny Aronoff or Shawn Pelton on the drums. But Tico was talking about the proper Bon Jovi studio albums only.

Probably everyone here remember famous case with Alec, who actually didn't recorded bass on the most famous Bon Jovi albums like "Slippery When Wet", "New Jersey" and "Keep the Faith". Correct me if I'm wrong, but Alec - in opposition to Tico - has never said that he played in every song on the Bon Jovi studio albums.

Ever since I saw this interview with Tico, I believe in his words. You can call me naive or whatever you want to, but I'm not going to think that Tico is a liar without any evidence. I am closer to thinking that that was just the idea and producers execution to the final sound of these all tracks with unnatural drums.

Not necessarily. That was the musicians list on the Bo Bice Version of the song. I've played them back to back and at the same time, it's a different version of the song. I really think the drums, guitar and bass were re-recorded for Bo's album. The drums sound way different.

Also there's a GIANT interview from the engineer, and Shanks, of the WAN album talking about how there's lots of drum synths added to beef it up but it IS Tico playing. It's just super augmented I feel like his sound gets lost. My two cents is it's him on every track, but sounds so digital when everything is added.

Yeah, it's a different take. Bon Jovi version is little bit longer and sadly available only in much lower quality. But for me it's recorded by the same team. I haven't notice much differences... only a few nuances. If Bon Jovi version was recorded by Richie, Tico, Dave and Hugh, then they sounds exactly like Shanks team... which will be a little dissapointment.

Hmmm to me it's a completely different drummer/intensity on the snare. I'll see if I can whip something up to compare the two.

Listening back it's absolutely Shanks on the keyboards on both, and I assume acoustic guitar. The drums are where I'm iffy.

I'm more suprised to see Tico singing background vocals on a studio recording. That hasn't happen since like SWW or NJ except for Burning Bridges, the track?

Pretty much. There's very little documented proof that he was involved in gang vocals in the past so it's great he's there now.

So because it doesn't fit your negative vision, you declare Tico a liar. I'm sure he knows more about his work than you do.

Can you share a link of the interview, if it is available somewhere in the internet?

I believe he is referring to this one:

http://www.soundonsound.com/people/i...what-about-now

That's the one. Same deal as It's my Life. They recorded drums, made loops out of the drum beats and then live drums over it. While it creates a larger than life sound unfortunately it creates an unnatural effect. Point is it IS Tico.

Tico IS lying. I really doubt he played on It's Hard Letting You Go.

I agree with you but almost every member of this forum wants another TD,SWW,NJ,KF-THEY CANT DO THAT,IF YOU DONT LIKE NEW STUFF PLEASE DONT SPREAD NEGATIVE ENERGY AROUND HERE :mad::mad::mad: