The Art of Sales. Jon is The Master.

It's a great pain to listen to.

You're looking for things to complain about if you're mad at Jon for that. There's vulnerability in the album even if the first two songs we've heard have been pretty nill. The title track he's shrouded in metaphors, the second I don't hear any. The reporter brought up the vulnerability so at least wait until the album is out before you light your torch.

Knockout for sure....If people are not able to put real emotions in music, they shouldn't make music at all.

I doubt that this album will sell too well.

I might be wrong and there are some decent tracks on the album but these two songs are worse than I expected them to sound (and my expectations weren't really high to begin with) That being said, everything about the album shows why I stopped caring for this band (and NO, not just because of the shallow experience I had at the Soul Kitchen).

Knockout and This House is Not For Sale are the kind of songs that made Bon Jovi famous - it's the equivalent of Bad Name and Bad Medicine - and probably have as much depth and meaning as those two songs, which is not a lot.

If they have anything that comes close to Teardrop on this album or Who Would You Die For I'll be pretty happy.

I am mad at Jon for what?

The house is a metaphor, I am aware of this. But vulnerability has nothing to do with pride but that is what this is. Telling everybody how hard you worked for it and all I hear is complaining and buzz words...heart, soul, trust, higher ground..no depth, no pain. I dont need to hear pain, but Jon is the one who brings these things up over and over again.

Agreed.

Well the difference is that there are BIG words in THINFS and Jon keeps saying that his songwriting has so much more depth now then when he wrote Bad Name but it doesnt. Depth is not using strong words. Depth is what is behind them.

Sure. Only a small thing, without energy and rock n roll.

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Throughts? I didn't think Knockout was going to get a vídeo, it got close to zero promotion

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This House has enough energy - it'd probably work pretty well live except only about 10 percent of the crowd will actually know it and so therefore it'll fall flat just like all the new songs Jon insists on playing (Because We Can was horrendous live simply because - NOBODY KNEW IT!)

Ha ha, me either!! But, I did send some pics in...probably way too late as it's been posted for a while. :)

Oh absolutely, the questions are pre-screened and I'm sure lots are not asked that want to be lol!

Wrong. He is a master of the art of romance.

I don't know what you're so mad at him for to be honest. You took him responding to a reporter's note about the album containing vulnerability and started typing in all caps that it's not reflected in the first two songs we've heard. If these are the songs deemed single worthy due to being the most radio friendly or universal then it stands to reason the rest of the songs could be far more vulnerable. My point was you're making blanket statements on something you haven't heard.

Not Vienna, no.....Lower Austria near Wiener Neustadt. But there are Media Markts there too ;) :)

I liked the whole 'this heart... this soul... THIS house is not for sale' with Jon pointing at himself thing the first time I heard it. Now he will say this in everyyyy interview that I'm going to hate it.

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We Don't Run should have been in this album and be the second single, not Knockout.

If you listen to the lyrics in knockout it clearly shows a vulnerable side. Even with the uplifting and cliched chorus and melody. I know a lot don't like it but it doesn't mean you should take away from what it clearly is....

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So they're not only de-rocking themselves, but de-Jersey-ing as well? So much for not being for sale!
:)

I am not mad, I just think it is laughable that his lyrics are so bland and he pretends he is making art. He stresses this integrity in every interview and yet the two songs feel like chasing a certain style. I dont know any album where I thought: 'hey, the single is really boring but the album is a masterpiece.' I am sure there will be some nice songs on the album but Jon was marketing it as a 'back-to-the-roots' album and the first song is already overproduced without any edges and and the second one is a pop song, so forgive me if his statements sound a bit laughable to me.

When's the last time they shot a video in New Jersey...In and Out of Love ha ha ha!!

Everyday I wake up with my back against the wall
Anytime you get up someone wants to see you fall
If you're afraid to lose it all, you're never gonna win
I'll be giving you the finger = anger
Sticking out my chin = pride
Boom, boom, boom
Here comes the boom, boom, boom

First line: as cliched as it gets (has been used so many times)
Second line: already used 'we all fall down' in BB
third line: Just Older.
Fourth and six: **** you, I am soooo strong

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Vulnerable and new are not synonyms.

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And hooks, musicianship, songwriting......

I think we are just not going to agree. Theres plenty of albums I love where the singles are meh and and the album cuts move me. Quite a few Jovi albums actually. Its how the business works. Its how its always work. If youre making Jon a liar for saying the album isnt vulnerable because the singles arent deep enough for you then we just wont agree.

The interviewer said SHE heard MORE VULNERABILITY than past albums. To which Jon kinda says "yeah, probably" (paraphrasing).

He's not selling what you are trying to buy, sorry. And if it turns out that vulnerability is the leitmotiv of the rest of the other 16!!!! tracks, I'm sure lots of people will accuse Jon of only caring about himself, forgetting that there are other members in the band who were also there when shit hit the fan and have been probably been affected the same and they promised a big rock album, not this shit about feelings. So I understand if he doesn't want to put his heart on the line and have people bitching about it. He has rarely done it in the past and has always been very guarded about himself (and has left excellent songs out of band albums because of this). It'd be great if he opens up a little bit in THINFS, but to expect and demand that he does it because he said it was a painful time.. just no.

So far the singles are what he said: integrity. That's clearm whether you like the lyrics or not.

So is this an official thing? If yes, it's probably One of the worst (wanted to Say: worst, but don't know what went on on the early days) official promotion Images by bon jovi.

Edit: ok, my fault, it was by ulysses terrero and his casting images always look so semi-professional. An there are lots of worse jovi-related pics out there. ;)

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Agreed with the above. The last time Jon mentioned lyrics showing chinks in the armor was HAND. Then he went back and removed some of the more finger-pointy-lyrics and it softened the theme a bit. If most of the album was recorded without the label telling him to play nice I think we'll be very happy with it. Of course I'm not saying don't judge the album, I'm saying it's silly to already be pissed because the singles did nothing for you.

I think it's nuts that What About Now had ONE music video filmed (I'm talking non live footage music videos) in the entire promotional run and this album will have TWO before the album even drops. That's kind of cool! HAND had six filmed in total so it's a step in that direction I hope.

It might be actually quite sensible, as less people are buying albums and more and more are using Video platforms to listen to Music. If you create an attractive and/or innovative Video, it's more likely that many people will watch it (the Song is still important, of course)

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Then again Because We Can had 4 or 5 versions and it didn't help matters.

Yes, but it think That's a different Story as it was the same Song (Not a very good One imo) and very similar Videos.

But I would like them to Put out more Videos, too :)

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you know..
waiting for a new album turned out to be suck haha
We had one two single and one is okay and the other one is not okay for some people think, but i DO still hoping that there will be one or two jewel in their new album. at least the because we can era is over, that was the worst that i can recall and i think BB was the shifting era and i do think they are in their transition finding a perfect formula to write songs since they all are growing old and can't do Livin or Bad Name anymore..

At the end of the day we all must deal with it..either we're STILL gonna love them or hate them if one day the rock band you loved is no longer pedal to the metal anymore..

We have to admit it they are growing old, and somehow i just can't see Phil X keep playing with them...IF one day Sambora is back and they pick their acoustic guitar and stuff...they still BON JOVI to me..Love or hate it..It's a reality that we can not avoid..#justmy2cents :D


"don't you let your love turn to hate...Now we gotta KEEP THE FAITH"

Couldn't agree more my friend...Especially at the Phil X part...Richie MUST come back...

In the uk, the target versions have often been sold by tesco as a tesco exclusive (Recent example being Meat Loafs Braver than we are album) anyone know if that's likely to happen here or should i just ask my american relatives very nicely to nip to target for me!

sorry could resist joining in as well...richie should be back...they could find a way to respect their past and legacy, phil x is a nice guy but imo doesnt really fit, and probably noone would..
watched many clips from 2013-2015 where paparazzi and interviewers were asking richie about returning and seeing them now it looked like richie probably made an attempt or two and jon turned him down, just speculation, anyway maybe now they could work it out if they met in person

You might be right and I am just biased. I just heard these songs and though it is cliched, boring I dont know why, but I am still waiting for a Jovi song that I think is interesting or at least is something I like to listen to. 'Happy Now' although it isnt THAT different lyricalwise still seems more honest and 'real' if you listen to the performance on the album.

So, I say I write an album about depression and then I uses some words which you can associate with depression and that is it? I doubt that.....

Again, Jon said great pain = great art....so far I didnt hear neither. Knockout is just whining (everytime you get up someone wants to see you fall) and look how tough I am'(I am giving you the finger...)

With Burning Bridges they said it was about leaving the record label. A few weeks later Jon poses in his Mercury shirt, tells his housewives the label 'has sobered up and he is back home' and then I hear Jon talking about integrity and singing about 'higher ground' and one song later it is: 'I am giving you the finger..'

1. Burning Bridges = big talk about leaving the label
2. Going back to the label and posing in label shirts and talking as if they came crawling back to him.
3. Releasing some cliched lyrics about how tough everything is and that Jon is soo tough and lives his life and blabla

Sorry, if I just cant take him seriously at all.

Glad i am not the only one..Though somehow it slight chance would happen but who knows but i am ready for any Jovi song they throw out to me, i can not hope for It's My Life or Keep The Faith anymore.

I knew now why Jon said "we got nothing to prove" and hey like it or not they're growing old :D

Am i wrong if i said that might be..just might be..The Record Label insisted not letting them go?
I read somewhere they are joining in the different label but still under Mercury record..CMIIW
i just had this theory that somehow the reason we had this bad albums were because "It's a sing along as well" they wanted sing along songs?If yes then i hope the new album has more freedom in it, freedom for them to write anything they want, i dunno correct me if i am wrong but if it's true and i am glad..


"don't you let your love turn to hate...Now we gotta KEEP THE FAITH"

The way Jon dealt with it is unprofessional and childish. It think he just didnt have the balls to walk his talk. He made some big fuss and in the end it was just talk

I dont love Jon, neither do I hate him. From what I know about him, I just dont like him. Integrity is very important to me personally. Integrity means that you follow high moral standards and that your actions go hand in hand with what you say or believe.

Jon talks about art and charity and loyalty, yet his 'art' is bland, his tickets are overpriced, he sells himself to housewives instead of doing something for his loyal fans.

If I would go and see 10 shows next tour while I keep complaining here, then my integrity would suck.