I think any thoughts Richie had of coming back disappeared when he heard the new tracks.

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Yep sure, cause the music the band was releasing up until Richie's departure was THAT much better.

Actually I'm thinking can Jon sound any worse than Knockout on this THINFS Album? If he does, I dread to think of the reduced THINFS tour in 2017, sounds like!

It was better though, admit that much Captain Capslock.

Yeah but Phil X will cover the cracks with his amazing hair and delightful smiles :)

The #1 album streak in the US will probably come to an end now that Lady Gaga announced today that her album comes out the same day as Bon Jovi.

We're comparing full albums to two songs here!

Burning bridges was way berter than what about now!

I don't class WAN as a Richie album btw. He obviously had very little to do with it.

I think I agree. Playing wise it's the most watered down Richie. Songwriting wise he had a good chunk to do with it. He's all over it as far as baking vocals go.

IMO, the key to succesful music videos these days is a hook. Something about the video that gives me a reason to keep the tab open and not just browse other sites while the music is playing in the background. It can be story-driven, but that needs to be way quicker than BWC's one! Get the viewer hooked and curious what's gonna happen next, not just "this is a story" - keep the reasons to watch on coming! It also can have visual tricks going for it that, again, keep one wondering what's gonna happen next. Really, it's very similiar to pop music itself.

The Keep The Faith video thrives on just being shot extremely well, but the cheap performance videos of a bunch of 50something year olds don't cut it as far as that goes.

True say, some of those songs had more depth than the majority of WAN.

Nah, I disagree that it's a better album. It's all over the place, and the lows are REALLY low.

Did Shanks just play with Bon Jovi at that Target event as second guitar, or it's just my lying eyes?

Yep, he did. There's a bit of talk about that in the thread about promo shows.

The difference is that the good songs are really good (in my opinion). And one of their main selling points is passion and not the same old same old.

That's true, but albums have an arc to them. BB obviously does not. Who Would You Die For has more passion than any song on WAN, but that does not make its carrier (is that even a term in this case?) the better album.

Ok so now I have to adhere to your definition of what a "Richie album" is? Regardless of whether he contributed as much to that album, he was still in the band - that's a fact.

It's all a matter of taste, but as Captain Jovi said, we have 2 bloody songs and you're acting as though everything's changed. The Circle had Live Before You Die and We Weren't Born To Follow - both of which I'd consider much worse than THINFS and KO, and Richie co-wrote both of them. And as mentioned, what about BB?

You don't have to adhere to shit. That's what I think and how I'm judging things. Richie may have officially been in the band but it's blatantly obvious he took a back seat and let Jon and Shanks take over, anyone with ears can hear it.

As for Burning Bridges? It was a throwaway album. Full of B sides and scraps that Jon threw together as a contractual obligation. I don't see why some people here give it a second thought.

And anyone with eyes can see Richie co-wrote those songs.

I know you're unsatisfied with the bands direction over the last decade or whatever but it's stopped you from giving things a chance. Why shouldn't we give BB a second thought? What makes them less of songs recorded by the band? No one knows officially why Jon wrote the songs and when they all came from but they still exist as songs and things Jon wrote. If songs like Fingerprints and Teardrop to the Sea come from Jon writing throwaway songs then there's still hope.

Actually you said:
I consider WAN as an album, shit. I also consider it as being the last album to be released with Richie as a band member - you can think otherwise, but that's my definition. I'm much happier with BB and the two songs we have from THINFS, than WAN and the GH bonus tracks. That's why I think that post-Sambora BJ is at least comparable to what we were getting in the latter years of Richie's time in the band. You're projecting your own views on the songwriting/recording process and equating good output to Richie's presence. WAN is shit, so it doesn't count as a Richie-era album.

Prior to Richie leaving the band the music was at least as (un)inspiring as what we have now (BB and the THINFS singles).

True we should give em second chances but also let's stop comparing any of their new album with TD SWW or NJ or KTF coz no way they can do it all over again?:D

And i dunno but i will measure all of these with try to comparing with the new RSO album ( IF THERE IS an album) lol
Let's look THINFS and compare it to RSO album which one the shitty one?Haha i think that will be fair, IF RSO album sucks just like the snipets i heard in youtube so we all know by then who behind the suck musics over the past years..and to be honest i know THINFS and Knockout is none like TD or It's my life but i am cool with that.. :D

and Richie Sambora comeback to Bon Jovi will be a concert of the history according to the neverending drama haha

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That's the other extreme mate! You surely can't attribute the horrendous chorus of Army of One, political drivel of the title track, nor the rip-off melody of Beautiful World to RS. And I don't think it's fair to measure the RSO album to THINFS - apples and oranges. Richie is doing his thing, and Jon and the band are doing theirs. I think THINFS can only be compared to previous band releases, and RSO looks to be something largely new - for better or for worse, we are yet to see.

Love what he says about Hillary

I'd like to hear him go off about Donald Trump at least once though.

Well the last two he didn't have a co-write credit but he certainly co-wrote Army Of One. No one can prove who wrote what but there's no way you can say with absolute fact that he didn't have a hand writing that chorus. Richie has written 95% of every song he's released with someone else, why is it so insane to think he co-wrote as much as he's credited for?

What I'm trying to say is that one cannot pin the blame solely on Richie (nor Jon, nor Shanks). Army of One was also written with Child - it's not fair to place the blame entirely on him for how the song turned out. To say that Richie was the reason that the band hasn't been in peak form over the past decade or so, is ludicrous - equally as ludicrous as saying that everything prior to his departure is inherently better than what we have now. That's my point. I just want to help restore a little balance to the argument because things are always either Richie's fault or Jon's fault, etc.. Life's not black and white like that.

Sorry I didn't quite understand what you said about Richie writing 95% of every song? What does that mean, and where did you hear that?

Of course, by no means am I saying blame Richie. Nor am I saying blame Jon or Shanks. I'm saying people act like Richie got too good for the band or was bored. He was in the band, a huge part of it. I'm absolutely not saying it's either of their faults. It was what they created together in the last 15 years that was more mediocre than the earlier material (to me). I get that its Jon's vision and ideals but they still wrote the songs together and are equal parts to blame and champion.

What I meant was 95% of the song's Richie have been involved with have been with a co-writer. Two songs on Stranger in This Town and a song here and there but he....I'm trying to word this so I'm not dumping on the guy....doesn't do much on his own. I think he's honestly lost right now, he was in Jon's shadow for 30 some odd years, did Aftermath with Luke almost a equal partner and now has Orianthi everywhere he goes. I think he's trying to find himself.

Anyway, I got way off topic, I think I may have misinterpreted your original point completely. Looking back at your previous posts here I think we're saying closer to the same thing, my bad!

Yeah I do think we are saying the same thing. I wasn't directing my previous post at you, but more so at the other two who were, I feel, unduly praising and criticising Richie. I was responding to your post as a means to validate my stance on the situation. And it's most likely my wording which caused the confusion - apologies! :)

Ok that makes perfect sense now, and I agree. I thought you meant that of each song that Richie co-wrote, he contributed 95% of the song and the other writer(s) added in 5% hahaha :')

Anyhow, sorry about the off-topic tangent. Just over a month till THINFS comes out!

Just a thought on the stereotypical Jovi lyrics subject. What can make all the difference, and apologies if this has been brought up, is the music that surrounds it. Case in point, I like Everyday, but I'm not a big fan of Welcome to wherever you are. Same message, same Jon (and maybe Richie), we know the drill, but to me, the guitars, melody etc make the difference.

There's always the chance that once we hear the new album, the p!ss poor sections of the published lyrics don't matter as the song sounds very good. Or the opposite, an over-produced mess makes an average song sound worse.

Japanese DVD content:

1. This House Is Not For Sale (Music video)
2. This House Is Not For Sale (Making of)
3. Track-by-track interview

I guess That's where universal germany took the track-by-track stuff from?
Anyway, am still looking forward to the Interview.

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Rather boring content since the first two have appeared on YT and the last one most likely will be there soon as well.

Yep. Wondering who will buy the Japanese deluxe edition for the sake of the DVD.

What are the odds the making of will be of the album itself or at least a different making of the video?

There are two chances.....slim and none!

Are you not disappointed with the direction too?

I did listen to BB a fair few times. I just don't give it a second thought now because it didn't impress me enough to continue listening.

I will give the new album a chance. I do want to like it. I think Jon can come up with some very good work without Richie, as he has proved with his solo albums which I love.

That'd be me hahahaa shite..

Well, One could argue that i'm in that boat too, though for a different reason ;)

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I am dissapointed, yah, but there's enough good stuff on the albums that keep me around. If it was a full album of cliches and bad lyric like We All Fall Down I'd probably be gone but it's balanced out by Fingerprints, Who would you die for, Teardrop to the sea, the title track...WAN had less songs I was super super into but enough there to keep me happy. Of course I wish for more of the stuff I enjoy but the stuff I enjoy others wouldn't and vice versa.

I have some faith in this album, I think he'll surprise us. The first two singles didn't show much by way of that but they're singles for a reason. No one wants to hear Bon Jovi with depth on the radio.