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Captain_jovi 09-16-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bwehehehe (Post 1206898)
My sense of entitlement. Apologies for (too much) anticipation of new live material.

Hahahahaha

ticos_stick 09-16-2016 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WILDJOVIMAN (Post 1206887)
Phil´s the better Guitar Player
Richie the better singer.

Better how? What are you judging this on? Name me a famous riff or guitar solo Phil X has produced. Phil may be able to play quite fast but his performances are addled with mistakes and he can't play with the style or soul of Richie.

Personal taste aside, I'd be interested to read how you came to this conclusion.

Captain_jovi 09-16-2016 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1206903)
Better how? What are you judging this on? Name me a famous riff or guitar solo Phil X has produced. Phil may be able to play quite fast but his performances are addled with mistakes and he can't play with the style or soul of Richie.

Personal taste aside, I'd be interested to read how you came to this conclusion.

Richie now or Richie last decade. I'm half way to agreeing, but Richie stills wins out for me. Phil is still a better technical player, if we're comparing them both as they are today, Richie's playing is riddled with mistakes and overused fallback riffs but he absolutely plays with more heart.

Javier 09-16-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1206903)
Phil may be able to play quite fast but his performances are addled with mistakes and he can't play with the style or soul of Richie .

Not that I don't agree that Richie is the better guitar player and has more soul, on the mistakes front Richie takes the cake for more **** ups per show that I've ever seen. Phil on the other hand, rarely makes mistakes, and a mistake is a wrong note, flubbed up solo and the like, putting his own spin on a solo, or following the scale down instead of up while still keeping within that scale is not a mistake, it's adding his own spin, which everyone in his position should do, within reason....

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Captain_jovi 09-16-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1206905)
Not that I don't agree that Richie is the better guitar player and has more soul, on the mistakes front Richie takes the cake for more **** ups per show that I've ever seen. Phil on the other hand, rarely makes mistakes, and a mistake is a wrong note, flubbed up solo and the like, putting his own spin on a solo, or following the scale down instead of up while still keeping within that scale is not a mistake, it's adding his own spin, which everyone in his position should do, within reason....

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Yeah. Richie goes out of key, Phil plays the wrong note, still in the right key, on a solo he didn't even write.

bonjovi90 09-16-2016 06:16 PM

Richie's gotten really sloppy the last decade, but let's not forget that in his prime his playing was outstanding and way above anything Phil X plays. I'm not talking about technical abilities, but the soul he poured into his playing.

ticos_stick 09-16-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1206911)
Richie's gotten really sloppy the last decade, but let's not forget that in his prime his playing was outstanding and way above anything Phil X plays. I'm not talking about technical abilities, but the soul he poured into his playing.

Richie in his prime against Phil X is a no brainer for anyone surely? Richie was a beast.

His fall from grace has been huge, so huge some people are preferring Phil X over him [emoji1]

Lesty 09-16-2016 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1206871)
Yeah, I don't get the praise.

He still sounds worse than he did at the end of 2013, which was horrible. He can't even sing the Who Says chorus properly. That's like praising Jon in 2020 for sounding like he did in 2016.


Sorry, my bad.

i don't post very often, but I am objective and have been critical of plenty when it comes to BJ over the years. And I go way back (owned the first two records before Slippery came out).
The band sounded surprisingly good yesterday (and I was in the building). They sounded like they were rehearsing for a tour, ironing out the kinks, etc...which in part, is true, but I liked it being raw...no backing tracks. It's not like Jon/Richie from 20 years ago, but it was still good to my ears. Jon's voice hasn't been the same in a long time, so I don't hold it against him that he can't hit some notes. And in fairness, he's not in touring shape yet, either.

The new songs didn't sound great live, but I think that's more because I don't think either song is very good in general. Knockout just doesn't sound like BJ at all, to me.
I had to come to the meeting late, so didn't get a good seat to see them up close. I was expecting them to play at the end of the meeting, but they played early. I think I have some video of the new songs, but will have to check my phone later.

nikos greece 09-16-2016 07:07 PM

[QUOTE=Lesty;1206915]i don't post very often, but I am objective and have been critical of plenty when it comes to BJ over the years. And I go way back (owned the first two records before Slippery came out).
The band sounded surprisingly good yesterday (and I was in the building). They sounded like they were rehearsing for a tour, ironing out the kinks, etc...which in part, is true, but I liked it being raw...no backing tracks. It's not like Jon/Richie from 20 years ago, but it was still good to my ears. Jon's voice hasn't been the same in a long time, so I don't hold it against him that he can't hit some notes. And in fairness, he's not in touring shape yet, either.

The new songs didn't sound great live, but I think that's more because I don't think either song is very good in general. Knockout just doesn't sound like BJ at all, to me.
I had to come to the meeting late, so didn't get a good seat to see them up close. I was expecting them to play at the end of the meeting, but they played early. I think I have some video of the new songs, but will have to check my phone later.[


hurry up and upload the videos plz...lol

richie was the man back in his prime and for many years...his decline is big but the guy can still play and wrote/recorded some monster songs/solos philx is cool but richie was on another lvl for 20+ years that phil looks like will never reach.
(a small example if u notrice phil cant play the last notes/chords in te end of the wanted solo, he always plays them as single notes while the way richie does it sounds much fuller and of course it technically more challenging,,,small bits show that phil isnt even now so much technically advanced)

jon-flp 09-16-2016 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lesty (Post 1206915)
i don't post very often, but I am objective and have been critical of plenty when it comes to BJ over the years. And I go way back (owned the first two records before Slippery came out).
The band sounded surprisingly good yesterday (and I was in the building). They sounded like they were rehearsing for a tour, ironing out the kinks, etc...which in part, is true, but I liked it being raw...no backing tracks. It's not like Jon/Richie from 20 years ago, but it was still good to my ears. Jon's voice hasn't been the same in a long time, so I don't hold it against him that he can't hit some notes. And in fairness, he's not in touring shape yet, either.

The new songs didn't sound great live, but I think that's more because I don't think either song is very good in general. Knockout just doesn't sound like BJ at all, to me.
I had to come to the meeting late, so didn't get a good seat to see them up close. I was expecting them to play at the end of the meeting, but they played early. I think I have some video of the new songs, but will have to check my phone later.

Hey! Thanks for the honest review!

And check your phone if you have a free time plz! :D


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