I must admit that i always liked that Part a lot ;)

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Then he must have been rather high in the Mix, at least for that Part. Which is uncommon, as bon jovi rhythm guitarists are Most of the time drowned in the Mix.

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Any vids of the new songs??

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Though i would very much agree with you, I would also like to add that richie's vocal Performance also got worse over the last years (although the brazil Shows were quite good). I doubt that the Richie of now could Sing everything with power what phil does (note-wise).

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Matt had a great great loud tone. It was a nice change compared to Bobby's weak and quiet sound.

We're not talking about power though. The backing vocals in bon jovi songs aren't meant to be yelled. Richie has lost quite a bit of range but he's still got good tone and a warmth to his voice.

Does anyone actually prefer his voice over Richie's?

That's true, except for We don't run I would Say ;) don't ask me why, but imo it just fits well in there.

(still, although power is certainly Not the Most important thing in bon jovi backing vocals, sung without power they can be quite lame)

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nope. never.

Why is this breaking news?

I ****ing dare Jon to do carpool karaoke. He absolutely shouldn't, but just for the sake of me being right, he should do it and have the whole comment section of casuals surprised about how terrible his voice is; thus ultimately proving me right :cool:

GTFOH. Phil's vocals don't hold a candle to Richie's. Not even close.

I'd like to see Phil try to sing this with even half the power and tone as Richie.

Come on, Phil doesn't have the same bluesy tone as Richie, but that's just pure exaggeration.

Phil X & the Drills - Playing Fair - YouTube

My problem with Richie's lead vocals in the past 3 years is that he's sloppy. He mumbles, mixes words up, and his timing is totally off at times (something that Jon is very guilty of too). Even in that performance of These Days, his range sounds decent at times, but it's his performance that drags the chorus down. As the only guitarist in the Drills, Phil manages to play all the rhythm and some lead, and still sing with passion and hit fairly decent notes. I don't know that much by the Drills, so I don't know if that's even a good example. Phil's a professional in the true sense of the word - so yes I do think he can "hold a candle to" Richie's current vocals.

Comparing Richie's backing vocals and Phil's is not really fair. 2 completely different tones, voices and styles. Richie used to be the best at it, he's still great even today but Phil is a great Rock vocalist on his own. As for the live scenario, maybe I'm just optimistic but I don't really think that at any point was it even discussed that somebody should start emulating Richie, his absence wasn't hidden and there's no getting around that, might as well have whoever is there bring something different, even if the feel changes....

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https://youtu.be/EYekhJSoLXw

https://youtu.be/sYSYij26-JU

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The great thing about this site is that you expect things that have been described to be so shitty and then you end up pleasantly surprised when you see it. Sure, his range ain't all there but his tone sounds a he'll of a lot better than last year...

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What was the show the videos are taken from?

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Well, he sound good. Much better than the last time i heard. Sound promising :cool:

Better than last year but still godaweful.

Am I the only one frustrated that no clip of THINFS has come up out of this?

I don't think they played it. It would make no sense to waste a world premier on a show like this.

In the past they debuted lead singles on higher-profile promo appearances, e.g. BBC radio or Iheartradio shows (e.g. BWC, WDYG, WWBTF, etc.)

they´ve played this short set

Who Says
This House Is Not For Sale
Knockout
Bad Medicine

Yeah, I don't get the praise.

He still sounds worse than he did at the end of 2013, which was horrible. He can't even sing the Who Says chorus properly. That's like praising Jon in 2020 for sounding like he did in 2016.

Sorry, my bad.

To be fair it sounds good
Looking back to past months like when he sang at the wedding and now these vids I can see his voice much better
Yeah its not like in 2011 but for me its better than the minitour in 2015
Great surprise

the last years jon looks much less confident than i m used to..

his voice problems and richies absence make him less natural as a performer.

i want to believe he will be able to regain some of his range, jon can stil sing beautifully in the lower registries(which is harder than most people realise) but his higher range is gone, in adition bj back catalogues demanding vocals dont help.

jon is a smart guy and i guess realises he has to try hard to prove himself again.

ps. i liked the guitar duet/duel as stage presence, i d prefer richie back for sure but still the stage balance is better, its rockier and interesting in comparison to bobby and matt

Not good, but surely better than the 2015 Tour.

And as to the "gtfoh" comment, i think I am perfectly entitled to my opinion, and If yours is different: fine, but no reason whatsoever for becoming rude, disrespectful and uncivilized.
As someone stated, they are two different types of Rock vocalists that cannot really be compared, so its Up to subjective judgment. That being said, i would take Richie in his prime or even ten years ago years ago over phil anytime, but Not the sloppy detoriated Richie we've Seen in 2014-2015, for example.
I also think that this wouldn't be the right time for Richie to come back, after All what happened (though i'm actually a Richie Fan, love his three albums and am very excited for the New One)

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I was searching around in youtube... How come there is no video of them performing the new songs? Has anybody find THINFS or Knockout live?

Loved that guitar duel stuff too! :)

Still I would rate matt higher than bobby. And, to be fair, shanks did Not really have a Chance to do some genuine Show yet on that small stage. The chemistry between phil and matt was good, and phil and shanks seem to get along with each other very good as well. So why Not Put Up a little Show when the Situation allows it? Very excited for stuff like that to happen.



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Who Says sounds ok to me...but Bad Medicine...at the beginning of the first verse, it's almost like he's afraid to try to hit the notes...when he does try later in the song you can tell he can't quite cut it. He seems to be experimenting a bit with a new way of singing the older songs...but really it just emphasizes the fact that he's voice has deteriorated...

I wonder why they chose to include Bad Medicine, as it's obviously the 80's era songs that give Jon the most trouble. Maybe that's the easiest of the 80's stuff for him to do....

There seem to be no Videos of that Show on yt at All, which is very interesting...


Edit: forget it, obviously there are some.
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Somehow I would like to see shanks doing the solo on THINFS. he did that in the Studio, his solo actually fits the Song and they need a HAND-style dual-lead Setup for this Song anyways.

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Rude, disrespectful and uncivilized? LMAO!!!

You joined a month ago, I've been here 10 years. Don't tell me how to post.

Need I remind you that YOU are the one who initially compared them saying Richie doesn't sing as well as Phil nowadays??

This has ZERO to do with what types of solo vocalists they are, but everything to do with their backing vocals in Bon Jovi, which is why I posted a 2016 video of Richie singing a Bon Jovi song. He sings, Phil screams.

Phil´s the better Guitar Player
Richie the better singer.

From a technical stand point maybe...for emotional output, not even close.

To be honest, it's like comparing Eddie Van Halen to Eric Clapton...both very different styles.

Richie´s playing the same Solo´s since the 80´s... it´s boring like hell.. I´m happy with this fresh taste called Phil X !!

The day Phil can pull off a solo with as much passion as the one on Stranger In This Town I will be impressed.
That's just my opinion though, I'm happy that you're happy.

This might be the case, but It's by far Not the First forum I ever joined in my life, and as well Not the First time I had any human conversation. As I usually don't have problems with people, i think I know how to communicate. You obviously don't.



That's different cups of tea. There are certain points you can compare, like the role they play in the band and certain (objective) vocal Parameters like power, range and what not. You can compare a rapper with an Opera singer If you want to.
But at the end of the Day, an Opera singer and a rapper have different Jobs, different things to do to fare well in a Job. That's what I meant.

And, don't you think that this isn't a fair comparison, Either? Right now you are comparing backing vocals by phil with lead vocals by Richie (of course td is a Band Song, but he's obviously singing lead there).

But as you seem to instantly explode If someone counters or even tries to disagree to your Argumentation, i will call that now so you won't have to anger About my stupidity. Sorry to have wasted your time.




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Yeah, That's a very strong point of Richie's. Passion.
The Bad thing About passion is that it can really suffer a lot over the times... Still, let's hope for the Best (that Either phil gains some more of it or that Richie gets his act straight again ;) )

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His tone is MILES BETTER than it was for the past 3 years. And doesn't sound out of breath like he did in the 2015 mini-tour

Sounds weak but not as much as I expected. Bad Medicine has sounded awful since... forever? But the subtle changes are working, instead of mumbling gibberish while trying to sing all the words he sounds clearer now.

I'd rather have strong backing vocals, don't care if they yell. Fits most of the songs and helps Jon tremendously.

No more videos? :(

Now I doubt whether the new songs have been played.

Why are people going against what people that were there said was played?

My sense of entitlement. Apologies for (too much) anticipation of new live material.