Hahahahaha

Better how? What are you judging this on? Name me a famous riff or guitar solo Phil X has produced. Phil may be able to play quite fast but his performances are addled with mistakes and he can't play with the style or soul of Richie.

Personal taste aside, I'd be interested to read how you came to this conclusion.

Richie now or Richie last decade. I'm half way to agreeing, but Richie stills wins out for me. Phil is still a better technical player, if we're comparing them both as they are today, Richie's playing is riddled with mistakes and overused fallback riffs but he absolutely plays with more heart.

Not that I don't agree that Richie is the better guitar player and has more soul, on the mistakes front Richie takes the cake for more **** ups per show that I've ever seen. Phil on the other hand, rarely makes mistakes, and a mistake is a wrong note, flubbed up solo and the like, putting his own spin on a solo, or following the scale down instead of up while still keeping within that scale is not a mistake, it's adding his own spin, which everyone in his position should do, within reason....

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Yeah. Richie goes out of key, Phil plays the wrong note, still in the right key, on a solo he didn't even write.

Richie's gotten really sloppy the last decade, but let's not forget that in his prime his playing was outstanding and way above anything Phil X plays. I'm not talking about technical abilities, but the soul he poured into his playing.

Richie in his prime against Phil X is a no brainer for anyone surely? Richie was a beast.

His fall from grace has been huge, so huge some people are preferring Phil X over him [emoji1]

i don't post very often, but I am objective and have been critical of plenty when it comes to BJ over the years. And I go way back (owned the first two records before Slippery came out).
The band sounded surprisingly good yesterday (and I was in the building). They sounded like they were rehearsing for a tour, ironing out the kinks, etc...which in part, is true, but I liked it being raw...no backing tracks. It's not like Jon/Richie from 20 years ago, but it was still good to my ears. Jon's voice hasn't been the same in a long time, so I don't hold it against him that he can't hit some notes. And in fairness, he's not in touring shape yet, either.

The new songs didn't sound great live, but I think that's more because I don't think either song is very good in general. Knockout just doesn't sound like BJ at all, to me.
I had to come to the meeting late, so didn't get a good seat to see them up close. I was expecting them to play at the end of the meeting, but they played early. I think I have some video of the new songs, but will have to check my phone later.

[QUOTE=Lesty;1206915]i don't post very often, but I am objective and have been critical of plenty when it comes to BJ over the years. And I go way back (owned the first two records before Slippery came out).
The band sounded surprisingly good yesterday (and I was in the building). They sounded like they were rehearsing for a tour, ironing out the kinks, etc...which in part, is true, but I liked it being raw...no backing tracks. It's not like Jon/Richie from 20 years ago, but it was still good to my ears. Jon's voice hasn't been the same in a long time, so I don't hold it against him that he can't hit some notes. And in fairness, he's not in touring shape yet, either.

The new songs didn't sound great live, but I think that's more because I don't think either song is very good in general. Knockout just doesn't sound like BJ at all, to me.
I had to come to the meeting late, so didn't get a good seat to see them up close. I was expecting them to play at the end of the meeting, but they played early. I think I have some video of the new songs, but will have to check my phone later.[


hurry up and upload the videos plz...lol

richie was the man back in his prime and for many years...his decline is big but the guy can still play and wrote/recorded some monster songs/solos philx is cool but richie was on another lvl for 20+ years that phil looks like will never reach.
(a small example if u notrice phil cant play the last notes/chords in te end of the wanted solo, he always plays them as single notes while the way richie does it sounds much fuller and of course it technically more challenging,,,small bits show that phil isnt even now so much technically advanced)

Hey! Thanks for the honest review!

And check your phone if you have a free time plz! :D

But no, that's not what people are preferring. You can't compare how someone used to be to how someone else is NOW. Of course EVERYONE wants Richie as he was in the band now but he's not and the person who is wants to be there and is adding new life to the band. People are preferring THAT to flubs and repetitive guitars from someone who's passion in the band diminished.

Oh, they played it..... Not that I really want to first hear it done live via a poor fan recording at a corporate event, but it's there.

Hopefully, they'll be doing such appearances, as I've been anticipating, very soon.

This was Richie in 2013 in the band:


I tried to be open-minded about Phil and I think he is a good guitar player, but seeing him in 2013 in Europe, it was clear that the songs just fell flat. He doesnt really fit into Bon Jovi for me. I dont mind him, he just shouldnt play stadiums in my opinion.

We're preferring someone that is engaged versus someone that is clocking in and out while looking completely uninterested in being there short of getting paid.

richie is bon jovi...he was there for 27 years...he created the band with the other guys...

phil x is getting paid, didnt risk anything, he is a cool guy but you cant tell phil commited .

he is more trustworthy than richie was last 4-5 years but lets not forget the preious 27 .

I didn't say people prefer Phil over Prime Richie. I meant his fall from grace has been so huge people are now preferring another player over him as he is now.

But he didn't want to be there. Showing an example of him not making a mistake doesn't take away the mistakes. I want someone who wants to be there.

But judging Phil by 2013 performances would not be very fair. Take a look a Israel perormance of KTF (which I think was the latest of this song, or any other one on the last year's tour), It was the best song on the concert instrumentaly. It's both Phil and Matt who were making it sound really good in my opinion.
And I'm saying it as a Richie fan.

Thank you for your feedback.

Helloooo! Does anybody have links to a video of them performing the new songs? Really curious how Knockout sounds live. Thank you :) (my first post on this forum, please be kind haha)

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Yes, it is great. It is just not Keep The Faith anymore. This is what I was saying: If it were any song by any band: AWESOME. But what made this band so special for me was something which will never be back again. This iis not Bon Jovi and it is not Keep The Faith. It sounds like a cover band (A good one, though).

Got you, well some people would call it a fresh sound, you call it not Bon Jovi.

I have to chuckle a little at the Richie vs. Phil thing. It will never end.:agrue::popcorn::popcorn:

Matt has said on Twitter that sometimes rules suck but if you want to see a 'band' near the queen then plan Oct 9-11. Runaway Tours announcement soon.

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runawaytours.com all dates should be up in the next hour.

Shows confirmed:
London Oct 9th-11th
Toronto Oct 16th-18th
NYC Oct 19th-21st
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Could you please elaborate? Pretty please :D

How *bad* where the new songs? Bad vocal performance? Too slow? How do they sound with more natural vocals?

Sorry for the third-degree, I'm really anxious hoping that they won't drop the new singles for the upcoming tour if they don't work. I picture THINFS sounding similar/better but Knockout could be one hell of a song live if Jon could pull it off...

Maybe I'm tone deaf but that Jon is vocally a step in the right direction from that horrible Asian tour!

PHIL X with Bon Jovi on Promo tour
Oct.10 - LONDON Palladium
Oct.17 - TORONTO Queen Elizabeth Theatre
Oct.20 -NEW YORK The Barrymore Theater

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Matt does not know the song "Cadillac Man"😭😭😭😭
Someone tweet it to him,and he answered he "have no idea what he was talking about"

Ticket/hotel prices are ridiculous AGAIN.

The album will be played in it's entirety at these shows.

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http://runawaytours.com/event-bon-jovi.php

Finally in Toronto. For $1545 dollars I can pay and omit the hotel and transportation. $1545 a person. You've got to be kidding me. At least with the high prices you can justify the hotel experience a little but $1545 is excessive for a non hotel/non transportation package.

This has to be a wind up. They are promo'ing the album through the absolutely extortionate Runaway Tours package?

The London Palladium would be a cool and very different place to see them.

If it turns out this doesn't go onsale to general public too that's disgraceful.

CONFIRMED: Tour announced next month.

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He responded to me. He's talking about how they're not brokers or ticket promoters, they're a tour company. But if you give someone the option to not go for the hotel and transportation you have no real reason to charge that high amount.

Of course they have to, overhead costs. Plus Jon has to eat right?

Yep, financially a good idea (short Term), but many missed opportunities. So We Most probably won't Get a live stream, the Media coverage is not so high like with let's Say Radio Shows, and I suppose there won't be any Ticket giveaways/competitions in Radio stations, which could increase awareness a little further.
Does really look like they're catering the Fans they have while completely neglecting the acquisition of New Fans (even though One could argue that bon jovi are so "uncool" nowadays that there won't be many New Fans, no matter what they Put out)

But, for the sake of being positive regarding at least one point: the entirety thing is really cool :)

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http://www.bonjovi.com/tidal-present...-not-for-sale/

Some interesting things in there.

First,
That means we know the opener. And they consider it a "hit single"... ok, I will file that under "marketing blah" :D

This part is written twice in that article.

Yeah, but horrendously prices RT packages. Even they don't call it "sale" anymore, but rip-off :P But honestly, as long as there are people spending huge chunks of money on that I can see why they are doing this.

A fourth, or better, first show! So that mini-tour has 4 stops. It says that Tidal members get access to "exclusive content". Interesting.

I don't need a package to go to NYC. I live here. Even so - it would cost my husband and me $3,000.00 USD to hear the new album with no tour support. Sorry but that's obscene, but it will probably sell out instantly.

I have people coming after me now for judging this not knowing the costs involved. I've been to Queen Elizabeth Theatre in Toronto plenty of times. If the overhead was that high then everyone would charge $1500. Anything on the side of this package is not worth that amount , its just robbery.

You know i also cannot afford the high price, and they are pretty high, but honestly what good will it do to complain about it? If u can't afford it then you can't. Do you think they will change the pricing just because some are complaining? They know that there are fans whom are willing to pay, let's not hate on them, and another thing, let's remember that these events do sell out quickly, these are willing and financially capable to go.