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Captain_jovi 09-17-2016 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1206978)
You know i also cannot afford the high price, and they are pretty high, but honestly what good will it do to complain about it? If u can't afford it then you can't. Do you think they will change the pricing just because some are complaining? They know that there are fans whom are willing to pay, let's not hate on them, and another thing, let's remember that these events do sell out quickly, these are willing and financially capable to go.

I think for me the differences are a) it's finally in my city and b) they have a package without the hotel and transportation. Its $500 less than the other package. I'm not complaining so much as asking him why its that much and if it you're not taking advantage of the 3 night 2 day hotel accommodations then is it just a 1 day deal with a concert and the extras?

$2k for a weekend with the hotel I mean...I get it. I don't like it but I get it. Giving locals the option to enjoy it but charging $1500, that's where I start not understanding.

rosa3 09-17-2016 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1206979)
I think for me the differences are a) it's finally in my city and b) they have a package without the hotel and transportation. Its $500 less than the other package. I'm not complaining so much as asking him why its that much and if it you're not taking advantage of the 3 night 2 day hotel accommodations then is it just a 1 day deal with a concert and the extras?

$2k for a weekend with the hotel I mean...I get it. I don't like it but I get it. Giving locals the option to enjoy it but charging $1500, that's where I start not understanding.

I get and understand your point. There are reasons why they charge the amount they do, we just don't know why. It's not like Jon and the band are going to get every single penny of that $2000 plus amount, they pay crew members, probably rent and space and other expenses, of course i am just guessing.

Captain_jovi 09-17-2016 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1206981)
I get and understand your point. There are reasons why they charge the amount they do, we just don't know why. It's not like Jon and the band are going to get every single penny of that $2000 plus amount, they pay crew members, probably rent and space and other expenses, of course i am just guessing.

Fair enough, everyone has to get paid but regardless the people who aren't doing the hotel and party aren't getting the same experience and the price is too high. Just my two cents. I have to imagine Jon is getting a giant chunk of that. I'm not saying every penny but the amount they're making is really really high.

Javier 09-17-2016 08:10 AM

I love that it's the album being performed in its entirety, but hate how it will probably be a runaway tours exclusive. They should be doing this for publicity and for taping reasons to create hype for the release. Have contests in radio stations, YouTube and Facebook contests, stuff that would really give fans something to talk about all the way leading up to the shows. Meh, not everything is perfect....

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rosa3 09-17-2016 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1206983)
I love that it's the album being performed in its entirety, but hate how it will probably be a runaway tours exclusive. They should be doing this for publicity and for taping reasons to create hype for the release. Have contests in radio stations, YouTube and Facebook contests, stuff that would really give fans something to talk about all the way leading up to the shows. Meh, not everything is perfect....

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Who knows maybe they are working on something but no details yet.

Bleeding Purist 09-17-2016 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1206983)
I love that it's the album being performed in its entirety, but hate how it will probably be a runaway tours exclusive. They should be doing this for publicity and for taping reasons to create hype for the release. Have contests in radio stations, YouTube and Facebook contests, stuff that would really give fans something to talk about all the way leading up to the shows. Meh, not everything is perfect....

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Agreed, but are we ruling out that they won't film/broadcast one of the shows? I love when a band comes out playing their new album in its entirety, such as when the Foos did Wasting Light.

The prices are sickening. I mostly ignore the Runaway Tours stuff because it represents flagrant fleecing of the fans. Yes, there are fans ready and willing to pay those prices, but it's an outrageous price without the value attached. It's a bastardization of the relationship between your most ardent fans and your music.

KSantaFe 09-17-2016 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bleeding Purist (Post 1206986)
Agreed, but are we ruling out that they won't film/broadcast one of the shows? I love when a band comes out playing their new album in its entirety, such as when the Foos did Wasting Light.

The prices are sickening. I mostly ignore the Runaway Tours stuff because it represents flagrant fleecing of the fans. Yes, there are fans ready and willing to pay those prices, but it's an outrageous price without the value attached. It's a bastardization of the relationship between your most ardent fans and your music.

On bonjovi.com they mentioned that one show (the final one in nyc) will be live streamed on this "Tidal" site. This will require a membership - though a 30-day free trial is available. I'm quite excited to hear the entire album live - am I correct in saying this has only ever been done with LH before?

In terms of prices, I'm with you - it's pure greed. There's no need for tickets to be so expensive - but I'm not knocking anyone who is willing to pay that much for it. It's absolutely their choice and hopefully they will remember and cherish it forever. I could never justify those prices though. Perhaps we'll see a price hike for the concerts during the THINFS tour now that they are (possibly) doing fewer shows? I suppose we'll just have to take each tour as a blessing - who knows how long they'll keep doing this!

steel_horse75 09-17-2016 10:24 AM

nearly £3.5k for me and the wife. Err no thanks.

How can the biggest touring band of last 10 years charge this offensive prices?

Xavi 09-17-2016 10:32 AM

This house is not for poor man

steel_horse75 09-17-2016 10:37 AM

work for the working man eh?

This house will have to be sold in order for me to go

faith1985 09-17-2016 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1206989)
nearly £3.5k for me and the wife. Err no thanks.

How can the biggest touring band of last 10 years charge this offensive prices?

Because people buy tickets. Plus Matt has to eat!

Bounce7800 09-17-2016 11:15 AM

Wow, £1200 just for the ticket. I'm not surprised given the past rt shows prices, but it's the hope that kills you being in my back yard I was hoping for a few hundred quid I could see the show and get a photo with Jon. I could pay it, but I'd rather spend it on my son, I couldn't justify that expense to myself or smile next to Jon when I've been charged that much.

Outrageous fees for a band willing to milk their fan base. It's really tough to defend them given the decline in material, live shows and the increase in cost

nikos greece 09-17-2016 12:11 PM

lots of negativity through social media about the prices...and honestly people have the right to be dissapointed, i get the gold circle etc but giving tickets only through runaway trips make these shows unavailable for the diehards. i try not to be negative but(i will be...)
1.matt acts like a tool many times, he probably convinced jon this would be a good idea and they are making money in a way that hurts the bands image. i m all for free economy, but take some action to even the game. give 50 free tickets or sth...

2. tony bonjiovi, i get that jon is loyal and i cant really judge tonys work but most of the dvd releases by him where missing sth imo...they are good but they could all be better...tony now is the director of the show/new tour and if we ll get a dvd he ll probably be behind it..jon should nvest some money for a great director though because if you wanna be remembered like a great live act some good dvd releases would help.

3.jons dad and the bonjiovi brand sause is a bit embarassing...using jons brand name to sell sauce... sure some of the profits go to charity and i guess that was jons thought but still using a rock band to sell sause makes it a bit cheap..

Manbou 09-17-2016 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1206994)
lots of negativity through social media about the prices...and honestly people have the right to be dissapointed, i get the gold circle etc but giving tickets only through runaway trips make these shows unavailable for the diehards. i try not to be negative but(i will be...)
1.matt acts like a tool many times, he probably convinced jon this would be a good idea and they are making money in a way that hurts the bands image. i m all for free economy, but take some action to even the game. give 50 free tickets or sth...

2. tony bonjiovi, i get that jon is loyal and i cant really judge tonys work but most of the dvd releases by him where missing sth imo...they are good but they could all be better...tony now is the director of the show/new tour and if we ll get a dvd he ll probably be behind it..jon should nvest some money for a great director though because if you wanna be remembered like a great live act some good dvd releases would help.

3.jons dad and the bonjiovi brand sause is a bit embarassing...using jons brand name to sell sauce... sure some of the profits go to charity and i guess that was jons thought but still using a rock band to sell sause makes it a bit cheap..

I agree.

On a side Note, your List makes it look like there some italian style family Business going on there ;)

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Manbou 09-17-2016 12:32 PM

Btw, has anybody found some more Videos of the target Show? Those damn fake live streams make a youtube search a really hairy thing...

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faith1985 09-17-2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1206994)
lots of negativity through social media about the prices...and honestly people have the right to be dissapointed, i get the gold circle etc but giving tickets only through runaway trips make these shows unavailable for the diehards. i try not to be negative but(i will be...)
1.matt acts like a tool many times, he probably convinced jon this would be a good idea and they are making money in a way that hurts the bands image. i m all for free economy, but take some action to even the game. give 50 free tickets or sth...

2. tony bonjiovi, i get that jon is loyal and i cant really judge tonys work but most of the dvd releases by him where missing sth imo...they are good but they could all be better...tony now is the director of the show/new tour and if we ll get a dvd he ll probably be behind it..jon should nvest some money for a great director though because if you wanna be remembered like a great live act some good dvd releases would help.

3.jons dad and the bonjiovi brand sause is a bit embarassing...using jons brand name to sell sauce... sure some of the profits go to charity and i guess that was jons thought but still using a rock band to sell sause makes it a bit cheap..

It is all an act. Ego, money and power. It is capitalism and American hypocracy. Jon doesnt have the backbone to be a real artist. He can talk as much about how he loves writing songs as he wants. What he talks about and what is happening are two different sides.

liljovi93 09-17-2016 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1206997)
It is all an act. Ego, money and power. It is capitalism and American hypocracy. Jon doesnt have the backbone to be a real artist. He can talk as much about how he loves writing songs as he wants. What he talks about and what is happening are two different sides.

It's a shame. I had a small feeling that maybeeeee JBJ would be different this album/tour. The whole 'nothing to prove' rubbish he's come out with. Yet both songs we have heard and these RT tickets are no different to anything we have seen or heard.



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faith1985 09-17-2016 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1206998)
It's a shame. I had a small feeling that maybeeeee JBJ would be different this album/tour. The whole 'nothing to prove' rubbish he's come out with. Yet both songs we have heard and these RT tickets are no different to anything we have seen or heard.



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You know I complain a lot but there was a tiny little bit of hope left that I was wrong. I would actually love nothing more than to be wrong here. I dont like to judge people, in fact I hate it. But when I said I was done with the band, this is exactly why I dont care anymore.

justanotherGuy 09-17-2016 01:23 PM

Besides the money, I think there's another thing here:
They play shows of the new album which is obviously much easier for Jon to sing, so he doesn't have to bother nor emberace himself with a lot of oldies if at all. And on the other hand they pressent it as super cool thing (which can be argued, I wouldn't pay to see them do only these songs).
I mean, it would be cooler if they could do full Slippery for 30 years anniversary like Greenday did for their 20 years, but Jon clearly can't...

ticos_stick 09-17-2016 01:24 PM

Jon has come a long way from the days of playing fans new songs in a pizza parlour for free.

faith1985 09-17-2016 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1207001)
Jon has come a long way from the days of playing fans new songs in a pizza parlour for free.

I just posted on the Runaway Tour page that every pub singer has more integrity and a better voice. And then they banned me. I think i am out to my local Irish Pub tonight to hear some music for a few bucks. Better quality, i suppose.

faith1985 09-17-2016 01:43 PM

[QUOTE=Bounce7800;1206993]Wow, £1200 just for the ticket. I'm not surprised given the past rt shows prices, but it's the hope that kills you being in my back yard I was hoping for a few hundred quid I could see the show and get a photo with Jon. I could pay it, but I'd rather spend it on my son, I couldn't justify that expense to myself or smile next to Jon when I've been charged that much. /QUOTE]

That is the thing. I could easily save up this money and go but for this money I would be able to do a week-long trip in the states AND see some decent concert on top of it. NO BAND is worth that kind of money.

Thinny 09-17-2016 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1206981)
I get and understand your point. There are reasons why they charge the amount they do, we just don't know why. It's not like Jon and the band are going to get every single penny of that $2000 plus amount, they pay crew members, probably rent and space and other expenses, of course i am just guessing.

There is no excuse for those prices. The smaller shows cost A LOT LESS to put on than a huge stadium or even an arena show. It's all about the money.....

It's my faith 09-17-2016 02:36 PM

I'm going to try the free month of Tidal in order to watch the live stream which is the 20th of October.

I have a question for anyone who is already using it: Can I watch the concert after the live stream? Let's say, I want to watch it 2 days later, can I? And another one, but I feel that I know the answer: Is there a way to download the concert and watch it whenever I feel like?

symbeline 09-17-2016 02:45 PM

But they are giving away tickets for all 4 shows, aren't they? At least that's what I understood...

It'll be like 5 tickets per show but hey, who's complaining? Not me or the other 99% of the fans who can't afford (or won't pay) the outrageous price. They care about the poor people ;)

If I had that money, I'd pay to see THE BAND. But like 1/10 of that price lol

Wish me luck if there's a giveaway. I need 3-4 tickets he he

Santa Fe 09-17-2016 03:00 PM

Do you know if the album will be played in its entirely in each show or for example will they play a few new songs in London and a few in NY until they complete the full album ?

Captain_jovi 09-17-2016 03:05 PM

Each show will have the full album.

DestinationJovi 09-17-2016 04:22 PM

The RT trips have always bothered me because of their outrageous prices when Jon sells Bon Jovi as a blue collar fan's band, but these shows take the cake.

Full band promo shows should target everyone, not just the ones who think $1500 for a concert is a reasonable price. How does offering only these exclusive high priced trips promote the new album? I mean, what marketing genius thought this was a good idea?

These trips will not increase buzz, hype, album sales or anything else in the slightest. Anyone willing to fork out that dough to go on the trip was already planning to buy the album anyway.

symbeline 09-17-2016 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1207013)
The RT trips have always bothered me because of their outrageous prices when Jon sells Bon Jovi as a blue collar fan's band, but these shows take the cake.

Full band promo shows should target everyone, not just the ones who think $1500 for a concert is a reasonable price. How does offering only these exclusive high priced trips promote the new album? I mean, what marketing genius thought this was a good idea?

These trips will not increase buzz, hype, album sales or anything else in the slightest. Anyone willing to fork out that dough to go on the trip was already planning to buy the album anyway.

They don't see (they do, but they pretend not to) that charging let's say $500 per single ticket for an intimate mini tour would be a huge success both in terms of selling out the shows and keeping the regular fan happy. It would still be waaaaay out of my price range but somewhat reasonable for this type of one-of-a-kind event

But fans pay the $1500 happily and poor Jon is not even aware of how much they are charging. His evil handlers keep him in the dark.

Sigh...

Captain_jovi 09-17-2016 04:50 PM

They will absolutely sell out and give the band the money they won't get through album sales and it won't gain any new fans. If anything it's pissing off some old ones. It's a cash grab and supply and demand at the same time.

jovifan85 09-17-2016 05:00 PM

Jon Bon Jovi, is on The One Show, on BBC 1, This Thursday 22nd September 2016.

bjcrazycpa 09-17-2016 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1207009)
But they are giving away tickets for all 4 shows, aren't they? At least that's what I understood...

It'll be like 5 tickets per show but hey, who's complaining? Not me or the other 99% of the fans who can't afford (or won't pay) the outrageous price. They care about the poor people ;)

If I had that money, I'd pay to see THE BAND. But like 1/10 of that price lol

Wish me luck if there's a giveaway. I need 3-4 tickets he he

Yes, I'm waiting for the details on how the "give aways" will work!! I never win at those things but will try for sure.

Kieets 09-17-2016 05:57 PM

Okay, so I agree with everyone about the prices..

But... On the other hand they have to figure out new business models to keep the recordcompany happy.. Couldn't this be one of those things where a lot of this income will go to them?

BTW I went to a smaller BJ show once in 2005 or 2004 and I wasn't really impressed by that, I liked the big shows more. And I guess the chances are pretty big that they're going to play the whole album on the following tour too, so how much will we really be missing?

A show like the NY'92 one would be pretty awesome or some half acoustic show, but is this really that?

So if this is a way to keep the recordcompany happy I don't mind.. If that's not the reason, it would be a bit crappy indeed. Either way, we'll at least get the live streaming for free.

I wonder if they're going to support this Tidal thing more with extra content in the future.. I like the idea behind Tidal, but their execution is shit.

Captain_jovi 09-17-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieets (Post 1207020)
Okay, so I agree with everyone about the prices..

But... On the other hand they have to figure out new business models to keep the recordcompany happy.. Couldn't this be one of those things where a lot of this income will go to them?

BTW I went to a smaller BJ show once in 2005 or 2004 and I wasn't really impressed by that, I liked the big shows more. And I guess the chances are pretty big that they're going to play the whole album on the following tour too, so how much will we really be missing?

A show like the NY'92 one would be pretty awesome or some half acoustic show, but is this really that?

So if this is a way to keep the recordcompany happy I don't mind.. If that's not the reason, it would be a bit crappy indeed. Either way, we'll at least get the live streaming for free.

I wonder if they're going to support this Tidal thing more with extra content in the future.. I like the idea behind Tidal, but their execution is shit.

Their current contract would have to be tied into this, which is possible. Then again the prices for these events have always been extraordinary so I don't think anythings changed, at least not enough for them to hike up the price.

Thierry 09-17-2016 06:16 PM

The have a nice day promo show in Amsterdam back in 2005 only costed 35€. Big difference here.. I know both Jon and Matt have to eat but for me this feels like they are stealing from the die hards. There is no way I can afford this, or would be willing to pay for a concert.

faith1985 09-17-2016 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1207023)
The have a nice day promo show in Amsterdam back in 2005 only costed 35€. Big difference here.. I know both Jon and Matt have to eat but for me this feels like they are stealing from the die hards. There is no way I can afford this, or would be willing to pay for a concert.

35€ ? What....?

I doubt I would enjoy smaller shows with the current Bon Jovi quality. You would need a lot of detail and good musicianship. The Kiel show 2003 was good because there were nice harmonies betweeen Jon and Richie, nice guitar playing and even some surprises and some good vocals by Jon. Seeing them in 2013 in Berlin made it obvious what a difference 10 years can make.

Thierry 09-17-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1207027)
35€ ? What....?

I doubt I would enjoy smaller shows with the current Bon Jovi quality. You would need a lot of detail and good musicianship. The Kiel show 2003 was good because there were nice harmonies betweeen Jon and Richie, nice guitar playing and even some surprises and some good vocals by Jon. Seeing them in 2013 in Berlin made it obvious what a difference 10 years can make.

And even Berlin was quite a good show comparing it to other shows later in the tour. They are moneygrabbers now, which is a shame but understandable. This machine will stop running in a few years and they need to make sure the whole family doesn't have to work anymore.

symbeline 09-17-2016 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1207023)
The have a nice day promo show in Amsterdam back in 2005 only costed 35€. Big difference here.. I know both Jon and Matt have to eat but for me this feels like they are stealing from the die hards. There is no way I can afford this, or would be willing to pay for a concert.

And I saw them for free in 2002 a couple rows from the stage arriving like 30 mins before it started. A show that was supposed to be a short promo thing but ended up more than an hour long. But I understand increasing the prices. Free is not an option anymore for bands like BJ for many reasons. 35€ is extremely cheap, so is 50€, 100€... Anything close to their price bracket for a band show is too cheap, and I really understand.

The RT business is one thing, one that I don't get at all (how can people pay, not the idea), but hey it's their prerogative. They sure cater to a type of costumer they want to keep happy. End of story. But a promo show for a new album, full band, electric (I suppose!), has no place in the RT universe because it's not the audience they should be aiming for. The ones who pay for a RT show will probably not pay for a regular show because they had the mega exclusive experience. Some will, sure, but not the vast majority, so they can't charge a lot more than they did the last tour. They can, but who's going to fill up the venues if the regulars are dwindling and the diehards are disappointed and have almost given up? Sure somebody at BJ camp knows there won't be a huge demand for the upcoming tour and selling the idea that only the very rich are dear to the band...

Like many have said, people who go to RT shows are existing fans or simply rich folks that want to have that experience under their belts, what percentage of new fans can they possibly gain with every show? They could really keep all the fans happy by giving away a decent number of tickets and creating expectations and excitement. Imagine a 10-12 show mini-tour where there's a chance to win let's say 500 tickets. I bet the lucky fans would enjoy the experience immensely and would be eager to pay to see more shows when the real tour starts.

Just my 2 cents ;)

faith1985 09-17-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1207029)
And even Berlin was quite a good show comparing it to other shows later in the tour. They are moneygrabbers now, which is a shame but understandable. This machine will stop running in a few years and they need to make sure the whole family doesn't have to work anymore.


Really? I thought Berlin was like a cover band playing Bon Jovi. Nobody seemed to really like it.
I am pretty sure nobody from this family has to work in their lives. They could easily do a decent tour (well 'easily' being more of a figure of speech here, considering Jon's vocals) and when they are done Jon could offer 1000 RT shows for all I care, but he can make money with that.

Walleris 09-17-2016 11:40 PM

Sorry if I missed this, but was there a video of This House and/or Knockout performances?


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