The greed of JBJ
 

As it has been stated already in another post, every move of Bon Jovi is not JBJ's only choice. How can we say the greed of JBJ when we don't know the contract between Universal and the band? Maybe Jon was the one shouting "I want 4 overpriced concerts or nothing", maybe it was the label's Ceo...

Doesn't help that the preview shows were all packages through RunawayTours though. It's hardly a promotional tour when fans are being expected to cover a substantial chunk of the overheads too. So it basically looks like the record company has zero faith in the album making money or JBJ wants to be paid to promote it. Got to say neither option casts those in charge in the best light.

A promo tour should be for the fans.
The Bounce promo tour in 2003 is evidence of this.
In the UK the did a CD:UK special, which was free, and then a cheap gig at Shepherd's Bush Empire.

This time around the fans are forgotten... Other than those with nothing better to do with their lives than devote all their money to whatever the band churn out.

https://www.instagram.com/hartndagger/

Is he starting a fashion brand or what??

Matt has hinted about this on Twitter, now it makes sense.

Those reviews should carry a warning for diabetics. But that's the Tidal way: it borders on bullying you into liking them. And I agree that Jon probably doesn't have as much control over these things as he used do.

Why is it just Bon Jovi - and Jon who are getting slagged off on here for it? Runaway Tours also has a Rob Thomas package which is something stupid like $1500 p/p.

They market themselves VERY clearly on their website that they only offer the best hotels, best experience blah, blah, blah.

It's clear that it's a premium product for those who can afford it - it's like one of my clients complaining a six star cruise is so expensive and can I just lower the price so they can afford it at three star prices. That's not going to happen in any world.

The Runaway tours look great - I can't afford it nor justify spending that kind of money on it, but it's there to serve those who can, not me.

So you're okay with packages that totally price out working class people?

I wouldn't mind this if it came from a guy that didn't spout on about the working man and being from a blue collar background.

It stinks and justifying it stinks even more.

I never understood the complaining either.

Would you bark at Apple or Samsung if they put out a new super premium device that is completely above what iPhone or Galaxy phones are? I wouldn't, if they still sold the iPhone that is in my price range.

There's nothing wrong with Bon Jovi, much like any business, coming up with premium offerings for those who can afford it in addition regular products/services?

They are still putting out the album and the world tour for the masses.

I don't get people that are blaming the label for ticket prices...they have no say on this..it's down to the band and the concert promoters.

Labels do not make revenue from live shows unless you have a really, really bad contract, which there is no way Jon would agree to. They can sometimes take a % of merch sales nowadays, but ticket sales is very unusual.

Any band absolutely has a say on ticket prices for tours.
Jon's own Runaway Tours will be the only ones that have a say on the price of their Jovi packages...

But that's the point - these tours and packages with Runaway aren't designed for the working class. just like I can't afford to go on the best ships in the world or go to the Maldives every year (luckily as a perk of my job I have done these things but that wasn't me paying full price for it.)

If the ENTIRE tour at every venue was priced like that, of course I'd be livid. But that's not what the Runaway tours thing is about.

Does Jon even own Runaway tours or is it one of his relatives? Anyone know?

Very simple answer, there are alot of haters out there, you can deny it all you want, but I for one can't go and never had any intention of going because it very expensive, I would rather enjoy going to see them in concert, which BTW tour dates are out, but this place is so crazy sometimes! One minute everyone was raving about the new album when performed live, then once you started hearing the studio versions,,your calling it the worst thing ever! and of course the same old ones who are complaining about his voice, face reality, he is not going to change just to please everyone here, you guys should know that by now, and HE DOES NOT owe anyone here anything, except for just putting out music and performing, if your not happy, then just move on, but complaining over and over is not going to change anything, lets get real here!

So you see Bon Jovi as a business with a product to sell?

The ceo would be most pleased with your eager consumerism!

Those jeans look awful, even on models. You could probably get better from Costco/ Walmart jeans

That's now how I see it, that's the reality; not exclusive to Bon Jovi in anyway.

Dated Dec. 17, 2015:

http://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/n...tion-amid.html

No, you're looking at things in a very cold and cynical way to suit an opinion that backs up your idol.

Thanks Jackie.

Looks like they heard you - for 3 stops on the tour anyway...

http://m.runawaytours.com/event-bon-jovi-2017_02.php

Those things sound like a fun experience but the ticket prices are definitely not designed for the working class people. I'm just a teacher and I can compare my earnings to others. And even if I could afford it, I'd rather spend it on something more practical. Those premium things are either for the BIGGEST fans or the RICHEST ones or both ;)

Correct. That's how it's meant to be. Hear it from the horse's mouth (@7:31)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos...uy-an-nfl-team

Thanks for posting it. It surely isn't for everybody.

Concert prices and VIP packages are topics they have discussed on various shows on Volume. They all come down to the same thing in their conclusions. People don't pay for music anymore, so ticket prices have skyrocketed in all avenues. Club shows that used to cost $3-4 cost $30-40. Some bands offer packages that include meeting one, two, all, or combinations of band members like Aerosmith.

This is what piracy has done to the music business.

I don't think Jon should be called greedy. He can't help what has happened to the music industry and he doesn't like what had happened to it--The Devil's in Temple and he ain't no friend of mine.

He does a lot of very good charity work which is badly needed.

He mostly complains about how the record company has treated him. Apart from a few big bands, most artist's ticket prices fall in the range of 40-120 (Coldplay 90-120, Mumford and Sons around 70-80) These ranges I understand. Bon Jovi have a business model where they serve the middle-aged customer with a higher income best. It is not rock n roll, but neither are Bon Jovi. As an American, wealth equals value. Complaining about the evil record company is one thing, ticket prices are another.And yes Jon IS greedy because -newsflash:

His assets in the Soul Foundation are around 2 million but he was able to bid on an nfl team where he at least offered 100 million. 2 million is pocket money PLUS he crowdfounded his second restaurant/pantry.......HE IS GREEDY.

Because he would potentially spend more on the nfl team than the soul kitchen doesn't mean he's greedy at all actually. What does the NFL team have to do with any of this?

I was talking about the whole SF and the fact that Jon uses it a lot for his propaganda. The fact that he wants to spent 100 or more on a football team whereas he spends only a little portion (keep in mind the money is only partly his), while the media and his worshippers celebrate him for being such a philantropiic guy, is ridiculous. Jon talks so much about how much he wants to solve hunger in the States and every little business of his supports this cause, I expected a lot more from him. If I am serious about helping people I would spend A LOT more on my causes. Even I spend more money and maybe even more time on helping others and you dont see me showing off with my work.

His 'good-guy-act' makes people to spend even more money on him and 'his vision' whatever that vision might be.

Your mad because he's not doing more because you spend more of your money than he spends his own? I'm trying to wrap my head around your issue here. We don't know how much he spends and doesn't publicize. We don't know those inner workings. It could be a lot, it could be a little, I just don't understand your issue. Does it have anything to do with your falling out with the SF, ever since that post you've been really bitter towards the band and especially the SF. I guess I don't get it.

the JBJ Soul Foundation financials are public, as are Jon's working hours (10 per week) I dont care how much someone does for others or doesnt.What I dislike is when people flatter themselves with it and blow it out of proportion. I have always hated it when entertainers used their charity work for their ego and promotion.
Regarding the SK:I also said that there where other things I dont want to talk about but what is clear is that they constantly say that they dont want Jovi fans to volunteer there and yet the first thing the manager of this place told me was that he is a big buddy of Jon's, Jon shows up for big events and uses his fans for crowdfounding.For me this is business,opportunity and the opposite of integrity.
Many things they have done there apart from the Pay it forward thing has been done by the charity place located around the corner from SK aka Lunch Break on an even bigger scale, yet Jon pretends like he invented the whole thing...
You dont need to get my opinion and reasons behind it.

What is most important: For me,the tickets are overpriced for the quality of this band.I dont like the new songs because they sound boring to me and some of the lyrics are too cheesy and unbelievable.
The lyrics are more cliched than ever for me and aimed at a certain audience (mostly)
As I said before, Bon Jovi havent done anything purely for the fans without any calculation but Jon and his family are very eager to use the Bon Jovi fans to sell their pasta sauce, get people to pay for his charity and even offer overpriced clothing to make money. I am not loyal to brands and the worst thing any musician can do is to run it as a business. For me that let to even more soulless music. But there are other artists and I dont really miss Bon Jovi since it is not a band anymore(at least to me)

Not the Soul Kitchen argument again... you really need to let it go.

It's a bit of a silly thing to say "Well Jon spends X on charity but earns Y and wants to spend Z on a football team". We could all spend more on charity and less on ourselves. Plus surely the idea is not just the throw money at the SF as that isn't the point of the project.

Agreed. Since your "Soul Kitchen incident" all you've done is come here and bitch about the same issues over and over again. Give it a rest.

Jon and his wife have done a lot to promote it as a almost holy cause where it just isnt. I get that it is not about throwing money at it but again, he gets a many benefits from it on different levels. I dont know his true intentions and we are all different.

It would be a bit like being flattered for having an - in my case - exchange organisation for poor people, haveing a lot of people in my board of advisors who put more work into it, ask people to participate and take there money formy cause while I get a shit load of financial and social benefits from it and at the same time have my day job where I run a business -again with everybody around me 'working for me - family and friends and get even more money for charging high prices for my product because i know that my customers love me no matter what and hear about my charity all of the time and are even more willing to spend their money on it and in the end I get so rich that I have even richer friends who give awards because I also wanted to impress them and even more money because they know at this point I am famous and good for publicity and again, they might do the same.

And in the end i spend 90 % of my wealth on a football team and 5% and 10 hours on my community whereas my husband does a lot more and in the end I am the 'successful' one, showing up at all of the important events while I hardly do anything for the people directly UNLESS of course there is media involved.

I would feel hypocritical.

You are really coming across as very desperate to prove your point and extremely bitter.

He does acknowledge his wife's work at the SK. Whether he spends 1% of his wealth on charity or not, or spends 1% of his time on his foundation work or not, or just leveraging his fame for good, doesn't really matter, if the end result is helping others - whether it's 1% of the needy or not.

You said it yourself - we do not know his intentions or what he is thinking, so why be so judgmental and preachy?


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I am not complaining that he uses his fame or how he does things because it is how the system in the US works. I am critizising the hypocricy behind it.

When you talk about dignity, respect and love and then ban people for the sole reason of 'being a fan of someone's music' and reprimand your employees for not acting accordingly and because I, in this case, complained about it, it is wrong.

Even if other people dont agree with me, I treated them with the normal amount of respect and got banned without any real reason and it makes me sick to my stomach that people put values on their wall and live the opposite.

So when people bitch about Jon and Richie or Jon's voice it is ok, but when someone comes along and complains about how she felt being treated, it is annoying?

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Yeah because it's all you go on about and seriously, nobody cares about that incident you had.

At least with Richie & Jon, we have good debates.

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Yes because in both of the cases you mentioned, Jon is still giving us his point of view through the interviews - and it's something we're interested in because we pay for the stuff he puts out.

In your case we're only hearing your side of the story, and frankly speaking - and i am only talking about myself because i do not assume what others think - I am not interested as it's his private life away from the music.


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Theres nothing wrong with complaining about either but your experience with SF has completely tainted your viewpoint on everything the band does. You bring up the band's integrity constantly when it has nothing to do with the discussion. Regardless of how you were treated, it has done loads of good for the community and to bash it because they should be doing MORE kind of shows clearly that Jon will never make you happy again.