Agreed. From what it sounds like, Shanks produced David Lee Roth's vocals and the band did the music side with someone else. Does anyone else know more about this? But that whole album is a monster and produced to perfection. That drum sound is killer.

I def agree with your point about other producers. What Do You Got felt like a wall of noise too. The Huff tracks sounded a bit warmer to me but that just might be because of the use of organic rootsier instruments and arrangements.

So it does seem that Jon is the one pushing for this style of production. Shanks is simply obliging his employer.


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I've been wondering who has been guilty for the change in production and arrangements. The process of shortening the songs started with "Bounce": Compare the demo of "Right Side Of Wrong" (extended keyboard intro, longer ending) with the album version and it becomes obvious that the band went in a new direction in this field too.

Actually, the production on THINFS doesn't bother me that much. It is much bette rthan on WAN, which was totally flat. The guitars are more in the foreground, which adds a nice groove on songs like "God Bless", and the ballads follow the "less is more" direction that worked so well with "Make a Memory". It is not perfect, but the sound is breathing a bit more and instruments sound more organic.

Holy cow, I totally forgot the demo of that was close to 8 minutes long. I totally blocked that one out after "my kids are hungry 'bout every day" line.

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Good point. I miss songs fading out too. Why do they all have to mainly end abruptly, for want of a better word?


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Blame Dr Luke - he started it with his work with Katy Perry and is it literally because it's easier to recreate the songs live which is where the major money is made nowadays, as opposed to through album sales.

Sometimes it fits a song, sometimes I feel there is something missing at the end of a tune and I would love a track to keep some momentum like, you know, back in the day. "Right Side Of Wrong" is one of the first songs where it really bothers me... a few repeats of the "on the right side of wrong" line like in the demo would've improved the song. It just ends so apruptly. Often it's the little things.

I noticed that on THINFS they have a thing to sing exactly ONE chorus at the end, in the case of "Rollercoaster" the 3rd chorus is venen shorter. This is definitely not chorus overkill...

Btw, Captain Jovi, my demo of RSOW is 6:20, not even close to 8 minutes... ?

What??? For every song (generally in music) that fades out there are five that end 'regularly' and it's always been like that. It's just so happens that Bon Jovi had a higher-than usual share of fade-outs earlier in their careers.

I personally hate fade-outs. Sometimes when I listen to songs I imagine I'm in the concert. And I can't do that when the music just fades out. So I'm glad they came to their senses.

I'm the same way. I always saw fade outs as kind of cop outs for proper endings. Like if the band wanted to trick you by making you believe they played that song into eternity or something. It sounds stupid I know, but I swear it made sense :D ....

Serves me right for using the length on youtube. It told me it was 7:40 but I didn't realize the user uploaded silence after the song ended. Whoops, sorry!