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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1212176)

It's not an excuse, it's an undeniable fact of life.

As I said, it's about how much you personally enjoy something, not if it's as good as something else someone does xxx years ago.

I love the Counting Crows, but they've never done an album anywhere near as good as their first one August and Everything After back in 94. That albums sheer genius from start to finish. Then they did shit like a cover of Big Yellow Taxi. Bands peak at different times with different records. Has happened to every band in the history of the world and they'll all have their moments of greatness and whilst they might continue on and have some other great songs, nothing will match that peak.

I am with you absolutely. No band just releases gems. Every band has their turds. Look at Metallica: I loved them until Justice which was 1988. I did not even like the Black album that much. They did their left turns but they never released that many turds like BJ have lately., Sure it is personal opinion but I think the 2 bands where the quality was dropping the most in comparison to their heydays are Jovi and Queensyrche (holy cow how great was Mindcrime - and how sad it ended!).
I just cannot understand how anyone can put THINFS in the same category quality wise as their big 4 albums......

And if the Metallica albums sucked they still were awesome live. Too bad in Jovi-land the quality there disappeared as well. Great vocals - gone. A frontman on fire - gone. Different setlist with surprises - gone as well....

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Originally Posted by hardwired_70 (Post 1212162)

Hard to believe that most of the people on here are raving about this album. Sure it is better than WAN but have you really lowered your standards or forgot how mighty this band once was until TD? Reading comments like "almost as good as TD" "in my Top 3" makes me wonder if I heard another album.

Or am I too oldschool and love Rocking and "raw" Jovi instead of this light pop stuff. The only ROCK song is "Devil's in The Temple" which has a guitar riff. The other songs lack guitar punch, lack depth and it still makes me wanna cry listening to Jon trying to be Pink like on light pop songs like "Rollercoaster" and similar songs. Pink does them better and it is almost satirical that Jon is trying to do these pop songs without any depth and meaning. The songs are decent but they go in one ear and leave thru the other and you forgot about them. THINFS (the song) is the usual formula heard 1000 times before, the ballads are written by numbers and Jovi trying EDM on "Born again..." is just laughable hearing these fake electronic drums - this is elevator music. Is this really the same guy who wrote "My guitar lies bleeding..." or "I Believe" or even "Blood on Blood"??? Hard to believe and pretty sad if you ask me.
"Knockout" with its laughable "Boom Boom Boom "lyrics is cringeworthy, sounds like Britney Spears trying to do a rock song. "Labour Of Love" is a rip off to Isaak's "Wicked Game" almost note for note and a snoozefest. "God Bless this Mess" is THISFS Part 2 - it seems like every lil guitar breakout was meant to be mixed in the back. The solos are just bad (if there are any).
This is still not a band effort. It sounds like a JBJ solo album."I WIll Drive You home" sounds like "Midnight in Chelsea" - pure pop fluff.
"We Don't run" was decent on BB, the remix ruins it completely.
"New Years Day" would be kinda ok if it had more punch, "All Hail The King" as well, not a bad song but put it back to back to gems like "These Days" or "In These arms" and you'll notice how mediocre these songs really are.
The only really good song for me was "Living with the Ghost", even though the production killed it as well. No edges anyhwere but this song gives me the only "old" Jovi feeling I had when I was waiting for a BJ album which is ages ago. How the mighty have fallen. The Bonus tracks are just that - fillers. Where are those "great" songs you all hear? I hear a band which was well known for great rock music until HAND doing middle of the road pop stuff trying to stay as tame as possible. What do you guys think makes this album a standout? All I hear is mediocrity. I could live with JBJ 's voice (he cannot sing live anymore to save his life and what happened to him as a performer ?? Seeing him glued to the mic stand makes me think "WTF happened"?? This guy once OWNED a stage - now he is barely moving and hiding behind the mic stand not able to pull off an easy song like Bad Medicine. Sad if you ask me really really sad for an old fan. Look at older guys like Springsteen or Dickinson what happened to the mighty Jon until 2005???).
I really would love to have seen this album as a return to form - it is not. It is almost as meaningless as the last few ones. They lost their edge completely. I doubt there will ever be a great BJ album and the might band is gone for good. Seeing the Richie performances makes me sad as well. He could not have saved this sinking ship. And TBH - most of you are living in denial that this is shows a band in their peak. You really think so? I don't. I think this is just a sad effort and another nail in the coffing especially for old school rock fans on BJ. And I don't wanna see JBJ being a shadow of his former self trying to fill stadiums (which he won't be able to anymore - most staiums where half empty the last tim) with his completely shot voice. It would certainly ruin their legacy. They are way past their time - they had a great run until 2005 (if I am optimisitic) but that's it. Sadly.....

This is the most laughable review to date... Let's recap...

Knockout sounds like Britney Spears so I can't like it yet everyone loves IML which sounds like larger than life by the Back Street Boys and yet that one was amazing... however, Labor Of Love sounds like Wicket Games which is an amazing song but that ones not okay... and it doesn't sound like TD's which is not okay but one song sounds like Midnight from DA and that ones not okay either.

In 2013 Bon Jovi had the biggest tour but according to you , Stadiums were half full and now through your crystal ball, Jon won't be selling stadiums this upcoming tour...

Here's some advice... instead of spending all that useless energy on nonsense, live in the now and stop comparing everything to 20 years ago... Jon gave us a different style, deeper album with his deeper vocal... Some of the best music is slow, laid back, and don't contain ****ing guitar solos...

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Originally Posted by hardwired_70 (Post 1212175)

DA had way more depth and the production was quite innovative and a huge left turn from all the Jovi Big ROck albums. It was a great album - some songs I hated (like Chelsea) but it had this certain depth. Sth modern BJ has lost completely in my opinion. Ok the lyrics might have improved on this one but the music sadly has not. Light, taking no risks at all, the same formula, chasing trends others did way better before. All things I do not like about music....

You are crucifying him for chasing a trend yet want him to make something in the vein you want. Even if he could guess what fans wanted and make that type of record, where would the sincerity, passion and credibility as an artist be. I think we as fans can get so locked into a certain era or past and constantly want that repeated. I personally love the songs you detest like Rollercoaster and Labor Of Love. Just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by hardwired_70 (Post 1212175)

A Teardrop To The Sea was the way to go, and fit perfectly with this album, if he wanted explore dark side.. I have been hard with Bon Jovi for years, but I can also understand why they continue to appeal to the fan base, they are accommodated in this bubble, they will never criticize something bad because is his favorite band and each new album will be the best from These Days. lol

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1212181)

Rolo, do you really think the rose colored glasses are true on this board? I sure don't There's been plenty of criticism over the years. I think folks here tend to be honest and brutally so in some respects lol!

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Originally Posted by hardwired_70 (Post 1212178)

Well I didn't put The Circle far off that...have a real personal love and connection to that record, more than I do Slippery (which to me sounds REALLY dated if you want to talk about production values), though my love for KTF and These Days are unconditional and nothing will ever compare to them.

Queensryche I was never into...first record I bought was Poisons Open Up and Say Ahhh and I hadn't somehow got into Jovi then.

I'll let you know when I hear the full record how it fits into the pantheon but I really do love three of the four songs I have so far. The title track is too generic for me but the rest aren't.

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Originally Posted by hardwired_70 (Post 1212172)

I 100% respect all your opinions but I find it hard to accept that a band that wrote epics like "Dry COunty" is doing EDM now. I respect EDM for sure - but not from Bon Jovi. This is just being a follower not a trendsetter and pretty laughable for mid 50 to mid 60 guys doing this music. It is completely uninspired to me. Artistically without any value. I listen to this in a supermarket and maybe hum the melody when I am standing at the cash desk.

What gives you a chill about a song like this? If this was done by Britney you would not even have listened to it I guess.....

Jesus Jones were asked to do a dance remix of KTF back in 1993. Jon liked it but wasn't sure they could pull it off live so scrapped it.

So, there was a legitimate DANCE song that was considered for release right at the same time Dry County was wowing us all.

Just saying.

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I haven't heard anyone saying that this album has the quality of These Days. These Days is playing in a totally different league. What I've heard people say is that this album has one of the best written songs and lyrics since a long time. Nobody that doesn't live in a dream expects this band to make another These Days as not only times have changed but so did the band with, for example, Jon's voice.

What I find totally absurd, is the fact that people believe that if an album isn't a hard rock album it isn't good at all. You know when I used to thought that? When I was 16. There're other genres that are good, lyrics can be good in any kind of song, and I don't know why everyone's so afraid of liking a pop song when this band clearly had influences from this genre since the beginning, and specially since 1999 with Real Life. And Destination Anywhere is nowhere near of being a hard rock album but it's amazing from start to beginning, production and songwize.

I'm sure most of us are overhyped right now, I agree with that, but it gets a little boring seeing people criticizing the same stuff: "video is a copy of...", "there's no rock", and "this song kinda sound like"... The video clips always have the same idea, it's the output of it what changes them; this band haven't done a real rock album since a long time, and, listen to the radio, most bands take influences from other bands. And so have done this band even in their greatest albums!

I was thinking about how much I was going to bash this album here and in other groups once it got released but the truth is that I heard it and really liked it. Yeah, I could start looking for things I dislike to bash it, to criticize it, but the truth is that if I liked it at the first listen, and haven't stopped listening it in the last two days, why would I? Music is about enjoying it. I'm really beyond overthinking stuff.

That being said, there're some things that after the first couple listens I would change: Roller Coaster vocal delivery, a longer outro and maybe a scream in The Devil's In The Temple, and the production overall to be little less full of noise, but of this last point I really can't speak until I have the lossless audio or at least a good rip or digital purchase of it.

I'd make a longer post but tbh I'm on my phone right now and writing here is a pain in the ass, specially without Tapatalk.

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1212180)

I think music-wise there is nothing sincere about it at all. It sounds manufactured constructed and calculated. It has nothing to do with being stuck in the past or wanting to have repeated sth. I see JBJ trying to sound like trendy popstars for 10 years now which is a joke. Try to imagine SPringsteen doing a song like these. Unbelievable for me. He is also past his prime in the studio but his songs are at least sincere and he is credible. I cannot find anything credible in these tame popsongs. Ad RD - it is not about guitar solos. It is about quality. These songs will wear off quickly.....

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1212183)

Right, but person who is critical, always receives negative comments by give a not favorable opinion the matter.