I respect your opinion - why don't you try the same. It's easy and it helps the discussion :) There is no wrong or right or black or white.

Look, I'd like an album that goes in the lines of We Don't Run, Who Would You Die For, Fingerprints, and I Will Drive You Home (somehow I feel like they could fit together somehow in a record). But as I see the problem here is that this album it isn't just your cup of coffee, that doesn't make it bad, or awful, or the end of the world.


I agree here Rolo.

I agree with the whole Shanks thing. I'm not a fan of how he produces the albums, but the truth is that it's obvious that Jon wants it to sound this way and another producer wouldn't make another KTF, TD or DA. Also, there have been a couple gems in BB where Shanks redeemed himself.

That's not true at all Rolo, you received negative comments but because you used to comment stuff on the lines of "NO RICHIE NO BON JOVI BAND IS DEAD". This forum is one of the most critical ones out there, I'm really shocked of how warmly this record has been received.

I like how you explained your disliking of the record and you make valid criticisms I think. As much as I have a different opinion and very much LOVE this new album, I wanted to add my two cents and answer the quoted question.

When Jon was younger, esp. on those pre-DA/TD albums, he had the voice to make me believe in ANYTHING he would sing, it was charming if not mesmerizing. Not all BJ lyrics were amazing tho. "Let It Rock" is one of my all-time favorite songs but seriously... "while chino dances a tango with a broomstick in his hand" ? or my adored "Social Disease" with lines such as "she can run a bullet train on 38 Double Ds". There was no depth in every song but they were amazing melodies, and FUN, they made me feel so much better and gave me a blast while listening to them,
That is my favorite kind of music, that raw BJ rock that you mentioned and i love it cuz it was the best thing at the right moment in my young years.

When Jon released Young Guns I fell in love with how personal the lyrics felt in many of the songs and how I related to many of them. Something clicked and I got into this fandom train lol. This only got better with KTF and TD, in those years I lost my dad and life changed for me A LOT, their music pulled me through. Thus, I became a fan of these guys more than a fan of their sound (even though they sounded amazing ofc).

As such fan, I wanted to get “closer” to my favorite band and get to know more of the life of the members and that magic of Jon and Richie on stage. I wanted to see their hearts in their music. I wanted to go to one of their shows more than anything in my life. I learned to play the guitar just to play their songs, etc… you know, those crazy things loyal fans do.
However, ever since Crush, I lost that excitement and connection, I got hyped for new records and bought them first day and all the editions I could find, looked for all dvds but i was doing it because I enjoyed doing all those things and not the because of passion for the music that inspired me doing that in the first place.

I loved Bounce, HAND and LH and some songs from the others post 2000 but nothing made me feel like the good old days. The whole “universal lyrics” style deprived us of the “pointed lyrics” I felt in previous albums.

But this record…. this record shows vulnerability in the lyrics that nothing post-2000 had imo, it feels coming from the heart, it has a modern sound, quite different than 80s and 90s but I honestly don’t mind it, when there is a new BJ record I want a window to the heart of the artist that will connect with mine and will be the soundtrack of my life at that point.
This record is Jon opening not a window but the doors to his heart (which is why I am fairly fond of Come On Up To Our House). Of course theres lyrics like Knockout that are there just for fun, many people hate it cuz they don’t have fun with it I think.

This time it is not about how Jon somehow wrote a song that I can relate to, to me, it is more about how I can feel his pain and anger through his music, when someone conveys such thing through their work I call it art. Art is the reason it is a standout for me.

Sorry for the long post!!!

hardwired_70 you are welcome here, no matter what. Feel comfortable and opine openly. I've been a long time lonely in discussing some points, they have excuses for everything.

Devil's in the Temple is amazing with his current voice, with 1994 voice would be the second coming....

No need to say sorry. Was a great read. You explained why it means sth to you and it obviously speaks to you. I lost my Jovi spark with LH (a record I hate with passion). Their last at least good album was HAND, which had standout songs. Everything after was a major disappointment for me, I wont attend any live shows as well anymore as this would destroy my great memories forever connected with them. Sadly it seems these days are long gone for me....

It's all about opinions my friend. Excuses are banded about by both sides. You constantly excuse Richie. But nobody is trying to say you shouldn't enjoy his music. That's when it stops being a discussion and becomes a lecture.

Lots seem to really like THINFS, a few don't. We'll get more in both camps over the coming weeks.

As far as I see things, as long as nobody is being abusive or disrespectful towards someone else, all opinions hold merit.


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Devils in the temple is great and right. We don't need a time machine, just add more rock songs on the album.

More rock songs and more depth in the production.

This House Is Not For Sale (2016) - Post Album Release Discussion
 

The band will never release anything to match the quality of the first 6 albums.
Just be thankful your favourite band is still going but if you don't like it no ones forcing you to buy it or like it