Don't really need it if you blind love

Team rock gave the album 2.5/5

Do we have a review thread??

Elegantly worded like someone who is knowledgeable about music from the past yet still respects bands from the present. Well done.

Kerrang and gave it 3 stars which comes out to a 60 on Metacritic.
I translated a German publication review and they gave it 7/10.
Both were relatively positive about the album.

Loved this show. Just listening. Thank you

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Any chance in posting on dime? Thanks in advance

Ha, thanks. Especially in the last three years when I did some digging into genres I didn't check out too much before I stumbled upon songs that just floored me due to how they approached the interplay between instruments and vocals, and in a way, approach rock music composition. (I doubt any of you guys are gonna be into them, but Secret & Whisper in particular almost made me listen to it all "innocent" again, as I was NOT able to comprehend what was going on on first listen, yet it was all so immediate and direct in the delivery).

So yeah, all this talk about how young artists "are not up to scratch" makes you either a. look ****ing old, or b. like somebody who doesn't do their research.

Of course, if you got into rock music when you were young and are now a bit older - you're not gonna discover new hot music that will blow you away on the radio anymore. Trends change, and what you like obviously isn't as hot as it used to be. You are not the demography for radio anymore, either. But if you love music, then you surely can invest the research and look for new stuff on your own. It's easier than ever, when sites such as last.fm and Sputnikmusic have "related artists" sections, and when you can just click onto related links on Youtube. Sure it takes more effort than to just play your old stuff again, but hey, if you don't feel like putting in the work, then don't bitch.

RockHard? Can't think of many German-only mags that have ranking systems that go to 10.

Well I attempted to search for it via google and was unable to find it. I may be inaccurate about the 7/10 rating. I know through my previous searches some media outlet gave it that rating of 7 and I do know that the German publication was positive stating that if you enjoyed Crush you would love this album.

Crush? Really?

Ok... Of all the albums they could have chosen...

I'm attaching the Spanish interview I was talking about yesterday. I skipped a couple of pages, nothing to see, just pictures.

I could try to translate if somebody is very interested. But only very very interested haha

(Ok. I'm translating)

So here's my quick review, and rating of songs.

1.Devil - I give this one a 10.
2.God Bless This Mess - Another 10.
3.THINFS - Another 10.

These 3 are better than anything on WAN for me.

4.Reunion - I give this one a 9, even if the intro is ripped off from Whole Lot Of Leaving. Add a chunky guitar solo and it's a 10.
5.New Years Day - This one's an 8 for me.
6.Living With The Ghost - Another 8. Would have been a 9, but don't care for how long it slows down.
7.Born Again Tomorrow - Another 8.
8.I Will Drive You Home - Another 8. I really like this one, even the end which is a direct rip off of the "Drive" soundtrack.
9.Roller Coaster - I give this one a 7. Not bad, but a bit too poppy for me.
10.Labor of Love - Another 7. Actually grown to like this one.
11.Knockout - 6. Might as well just be another This is our House.
12.Goodnight New York - Another 6. A bit flat, but it has it's moments.
13.All Hail The King - 5. I want to like this one, but the chorus sucks.
14.Scars on This Guitar, Come on up to our House & Real Love - All are a 1. Boring and useless filler.

WAN got 2/10 in classic rock so this is a good start!!

Your list and mine don't look similar at all (except for Devil's) lol

But I'm curious about one thing, what's up with All Hail The King? I'm I the only one who loves it? I've seen many people rate is as weak/boring/filler and I thought it would be better received here.

No, I LOVE All Hail the King! I find the lyrics fascinating. I just hope Jon doesn't spoil it by telling us who it's about! I like the mystery of it because you know it's about SOMEONE, but it's not clear who. It's got some lyrics that paint great pictures too. My friend Kelly and I have decided we think it's about Prince. The lyrics are close enough, but just far enough off that it's not certain. (Don't ruin it for us, Jon!)

Didn't he say it was about someone who helps volunteer at the kitchen? I may be wrong...

I really like it (live as I haven't heard studio version) and I really like the 'soouuulll' parts.

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I saw your post about that and while I agree that knowing what inspired a song could sometimes be quite off-putting, I also think that if you like a song or it means something to you, that's as valid as the initial inspiration. As long as the song is not describing an event/person as it is, to me inspiration is a pretty wide and open word. I didn't care a lot about Happy Now before knowing the inspiration behind, so it didn't make me change my mind. I've always liked Bells Of Freedom and I've read that it was inspired by politics (and also that it wasn't), but I still like it the same.

All Hail The King could also be perfectly about the band, not about an individual. About the feeling of everything crumbling down around you and holding onto yourself, your essence, your strength. It doesn't matter anyway, this song and others from the album (Rollercoaster comes to mind, to me it's also about them) prove that you can have a universal lyric that's also meaningful enough to touch somebody and made them their own, which is what Jon always preaches about but clearly didn't translate into the last albums. This is why THINFS is getting much more reaction imho, not necessarily because individual songs are better than previous albums, but because you listen to a lyric that seems clearly about something or that it has been said what the inspiration behind it is, but it also means something to you, you make it your own. I know I sound like Jon and I'm not a fan of his pep talk speeches but it's true that the BJ songs I like the most are the ones that mean something to me in a personal level and THINFS is full of that.

I like your interpretation about Prince. "All Hail The King whose castle is falling down, indeed" :(

Yes it is about the people in his Soul Foundation according to Jon. He said that in those small listening shows. And in fact at one show he got so choked up thinking about a volunteer he had to stop the song and start it over again. Sorry Becky if that's more information than you wanted to know, but that is what Jon said.

That would make sense if it's someone who has died.

My friend Kelly is a MASSIVE Prince fan and I threw my Prince theory at her with the lyrics and she was like, "Ooo.. this could refer to this and this could refer to this" so we really went with it.

I also like your theory of it being about the band as a whole. It sort of goes along with the "rebirth" theme.

I'm trying to read but it's really small and when I try to enlarge it it's all pixeled and can't read, sorry....

Whitesnake were a Zep RIp off? Isn't that a bit far fetched - only one song tries to emulate Zep and that's "Still Of The Night". THe older WS albums are more mellow and kinda pub blues rock.

Thank GOd - the less this mess (pun intended) is blessed by god the better ;)

Here we go again. Lol
This is off topic as one of moderaters indicated earlier,
so I'll give you one reply and then leave it that.
Here's what I know.
Robert Plant himself called them out for sounding too much like Zep and actually made fun of Jimmy Paige for joining David Coverdale(nicknamed Coverversion by Plant)in the 90's which was named Coverdale/Paige and was basically Zeppelin V with Coverdale singing instead of Plant.
I disagree about the Whitesnake catelog as well.
Other songs besides Still of the Night that all have a Zeppelin vibe:
1. Slide it in
2. Here I Go Again
3. Fool For Your Loving
4. Slow An' Easy
5. Love Ain't No Stranger
*If you want to go into more on this topic, post a reply in the Other Bands section.

Man, Roller Coaster just makes me feel happy. I put it on and when the chorus comes on, I can't help but smile.

Can you please post a youtube link from the show? Because I have watched all the performances I have found and I haven't seen him choke up and start again.

London Palladium. He starts, stops the song, talks about the guy and starts it again.

https://youtu.be/yckTMOgzzZk
Mark 19:50-ish Full intro starts around 17:00

Let's keep it that way - non of the songs have something to do with Zep at all. Cov/Page is another thing it is not Whitesnake. Never heard this comparaiso - espeically not when it comes to the songs you mentioned.

As I said I rather have them being inspired by themselves than chasing trends and even emulating their own (lame) EDM version. Look at Metallica: They have released 3 songs so far - they don't care about current trends and are being inspired by their own past. JBJ is ashamed of his Hair Metal days which is a shame.

One of the worst Jovis songs ever. I put it in the same category as "She's a Mystery", " Til we aint strangers" or other LH junk. soooo bad :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Bonus tracks
 

Am I the only one here that I like maybe more the Bonus Tracks than the Standard Ones???I mean...Real Love...All Hail The King...We Don't Run...I Will Drive You Home...Goodnight New York...Touch Of Grey...6 songs and they are all brilliant...The last one...Touch Of Grey... I can't stop listening to it...Just pure Bon Jovi magic...What can I say...

Roller Coaster
 

Lost Highway junk???I hope you are not for real...And about Roller Coaster...Yes...They hit the nail with this one...It's exactly like his title...Fast...Tense...Lifts you up in nanoseconds...So what's not to like?I love it too...It's one of the best songs in THINFS for me...Ooohhh and She's A Mystery is not in Lost Highway...It's in Crush...So be careful...Before you judge...You must know the basics about Bon Jovi...

I hate LH from start to finish. For me one of the worst records of a major band ever. Bland, powerless, bad songwriting, chasing trends. Awful.

Nothing new in Joviland - Neurotica, Edge of a Broken heart, Borderline, We Can't dance. The list goes on. All way better than what ended on the album

Ok
 

Lost Highway...(You Want To) Make A Memory...Summertime...Any Other Day...We Got It Going On...Whole Lot Of Leavin'...Bland???And maybe you hadn't read my whole post...Never Mind.

Any Other day is the only decent song off of LH. The rest is more than bland ;)
EVen the new record is better (which says something!)

You edited your posting heavily so I didnt respond to everything:

I know that SAM is from crush, The LH resemblence was not connected to this song

Rollercoaster is a really unpretentious song. Trying to sound like a cheap PINK carbon copy. I don't want such "shalala" songs from a (once) rockband. This is bubblegum / elevator / supermarket music. Musical junk. Like a burger in McDonalds: YOU consume it, feel ok for a few minutes and after that it sinks in how bad and useless it was. What a crap song

To each his own, and I actually agree about She's A Mystery (what a turd), but I absolutely love Til We Ain't Strangers and some other stuff from LH. Great songwriting in that song, not the typical structure (two different choruses separated by a solo), great duet, power, emotion, magic. This is what Bon Jovi always has been about, not those big riffs or guitars. If you want riffs, go check out the Stones, if you want heavy guitars, there's lots of them out there too...

We clearly have a different view on BJ. If I want someone to show my love for this band I Will always show him/her the LYHOM video. This sums up what this band was all about. Great catchy upbeat songs, a frontman on fire, fun on stage. Hard to believe this is the same "band" when you look at those dreadful & passionless performances like London or New York lately. I would never show anyone "TWASA" - bland generic pop country.

I dont think ive ever got past Seat Next To You on LH - love Memory and Any other day plus the fun We got it going on - the rest are fairly boring. But talking about bonus and b-sides I love the bonus tracks on LH - Walk like a man and Put the boy back in cowboy.

I like Pink, so I'm fine with that comparison.

worse than 3 sides to every story by Extreme?

You dont seem to like Jovi stuff!

Sometimes I want a McDonalds. Sometimes I want a fine cut of steak.

They both satisfy a need, and Jovi do some good deep songs, and some good throwaway pop-rock. That's why I'm liking the variety on the album as it covers the bases, you have Knockout/Rollercoaster providing the cheap thrills whilst Scars/Ghost/Temple are deeper.

[QUOTE=steel_horse75;1212880]worse than 3 sides to every story by Extreme?


One of the best albums ever made! :)