Not that I have any problem with it at all - I'm happy that there's heaps of different opinions and proper criticism floating around - but I was just wondering, why bother signing up to JT and start expressing your opinions now? Like, on the eve of the release of an album that you know you'll dislike?

Yeah, then we probably do have a different view on BJ, which is fine with me :-)

I became a fan during the KTF era, and while I like NJ (and some of SWW), I cannot stand most of the stuff on the first two albums, and also most of the 80s live performances. Why? Because the songs were played too fast, the band wasn't as tight, etc.

Sure, Jon's voice was better than in the 2000s (and perfect for me on the Blaze and KTF records), and there probably was more passion (the blood on blood intro stories on the NJ tour come to mind). But still, the BJ I "grew up with" is the band from KTF onwards, with the big ballads, melodies, and (with the exception of If I Was Your Mother and the Bounce record) not so much hard rock/heavy guitars...

But it's always a good being able (to agree) to disagree on something ;-)

I've been thinking the same. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but it just seems you signed up here to bitch about everything.

Dang buddy, I couldn't disagree more. I love LH. Though I agree, She's A Mystery is one of my least fav Jovi tracks ever.

No idea why Hardwired says London was passionate-less - i was there and it was great.

3 sides is one of the greatest records ever. They had everything to be the next Queen! No wonder why we don't agree on BJ

I saw a glued to the mic Jon with no voice. Sorry. Sure those paying those prices live a bit in denial about these true facts.

Thinfs
 

Whatever the band do...There is always bitching and fighting...Enough of that already...They are going to release in three days a very good and hard-worked as it seems album...So stop that,please...Just enjoy them...

Unfortunately they are releasing another sub-par pop album like they do for 10 years now. Nothings changed.

Thinfs
 

Maybe you want to move to a Metallica forum as your nickname suggests...What do you say?

Already posted there. Jovi could learn a lot from them

Shhh stop with all the fighting

My CD just arrived and I want to listen to it in peace :D

I didn't know it was a digisleeve case. I hate them. Oh well, I guess I'll be getting the 18 track when I break this one

Hardwire, Please create your own sub-topics elsewhere!!! You are continuing to flood this thread with the same complaint over and over... You are responding negatively to every single post which is completely unnecessary... And more so, just repeating yourself over and over and over again... I had your number from day 1 and now other people are feeling the same frustration... Bottom Line, You're Annoying Dude!!!!

Last night I read there was a live soundboard from London and now today, I had to read through 10 pages of your garbage to see if it was actually captured...

Nice to hear from you RD. Always a pleasure

BAT sounds better. Maybe I'm used to it but the drums sound clearer on the CD and give it a different edge

Edit: Drums really come alive in every song

and was it? I didn't even see that in the garbage being posted.

can you please leave the board then. You offer nothing but negativity. Im sick of reading your posts already.

You spend so much time bashing the music of BJ. Your life has to be really boring.:rolleyes:

stuck him on ignore.

Good idea.;)

Right on!!
Can't wait to pickup my copy in 3 days.
Refreshing to find some positive and informative posts here this morning rather than certain pessimistic opinions which clearly are biased due to lack of research anf open mindedness to all types of music styles.
Keep the post coming.

I like and welcome constructive criticism but just to say - thats shit, their shit, its rubbish etc etc bores me.

But, Steve (aka Steel_horse75), didn't pay, the show was free, as was the Red Bank show for me. I give Jon a pass on not moving as much as he needed to crutch on being able to see lyrics since he was performing a new record in it's entirety that he'd not done before.

correct - plus the stage is quite small - no idea where JBJ is meant to round around unless the taxi rank outside counts.

the guy is thrilled with new Metallica songs(I am not,they are hard because they must,banging without meaning)and compares them with Jovi-stupid thing

Vocals are pretty good overall.

I Will Drive You Home is such an amazing song. I could listen to it on repeat forever

I have to confess: In 2013, I have downloaded WAN. I always download the albums when they leak and after I buy, even if I didn't like it too much. I love to open the CD, see the papers inside, the lyrics..but I never bought WAN. The album is horrible (even with my 8 to it in the pool thread, Oh God). I remember that after the first week hearing this, I couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, I love I'm with you (even with the robotic vocal) and Water is one the best post-2000 songs in for me. But I hate the album. Almost all the songs has no meaning, the lyrics are full of nothing and there's no creativity. Add to it the fact that the CD have no papers, no info, nothing. NOTHING. So, never bought and never will.

But, with THINFS, I can't wait to arrive friday and run to the CD store and buy the album, like in the old times. This album touch me. The lyrics, the band...(just a little complaining about the guitar work, but it's ok). As I said before: I love Richie, but he's gone for good. Now, welcome the new Bon Jovi.

Ps.: Just add that I'll give a try to new Richie album, as I loved Aftermath. He's my guitar hero, and always will be. Not because today. But because of his all carrer. Nothing can erase this.

That's a very good analogy. It not only illustrates one of the reasons why I like THINFS, but it's also why I can play the entire BJ catalog straight through without skipping songs.

(Okay, with the possible exception of WFTWM...)

Hiya folks, gave the album some time to sink it. Didn't know where to post a review so stuck it here. Feel free to read, discuss if you like.

1. This House Is Not For Sale - Absolutely standard first single 2000s jovi we've had many times. Same ranking i'd give we weren't born to follow - 4/10.
2. Living with the ghost - Its an odd one. I like the lyrics written down but I found them hard to distinguish in the mix and as a result they lose power - 5/10
3. Knockout - Something that could have been on hand with obvious similarity to WDR. Then again, I liked WDR - 7/10
4. Labour of love - Sounds like one of the mid tempo ballads that could be on burning bridges. Something I think something Jovi should be aiming to do more at this point in their career. Great mood and lyrics - 7/10
5. Born again tomorrow - Again something "HANDish" about this but more mature. Knowing what was going through jons head when he wrote this helps it be a little less cheesy - 6/10.
6. Roller coaster - I think its very fresh and I love the pacing of this song. Reminds me of the time I heard loves the only rule for the first time, excited for something different. 90s Jons voice would take this to the next level - 8/10
7. I can't figure out why Jon wrote a song about new years day. I cannot imagine the circumstances in which I'd play it (apart from that one day maybe). Very bland - 4/10
8. The devils in the temple - I just feel this song could have been a lot more, the loud repetitive riff is annoying to me but the chorus sounds great, bit off a missed opportunity - 6/10.
9. I like that Jon calls his guitar 'she', mimicking what he did in bed of roses. I also like the introspective nature. Its a bit slow but I could enjoy it live. With a slightly different arrangement wouldn't be out of place on LH - 7/10.
10. God bless this mess - Well I thought it was standard WAN tripe until I realised the lyrics "My voice is shot" and I felt a bit of respect for Jon. Still pretty boring though - 5/10.
11. Reunion - Despite its utter cheesiness and preferring the acoustic version, as a recent graduate I can just identify with it. Love "As the night ignites the day" line - 6/10
12. Come on up to our house - Like have new years day I have no idea when I would ever play this song. But I do identify with those nights out with people that you dont want to end. Also its pretty catchy. 5/10.
13. Real love - A post 2000 ballad done badly. I know Jon says he wont use a "moon, june, spoon" rhyme scheme but he ending first three lines in the chorus with "love" sounds bad to me. Also saying he wants to crawl into someones eyes is utterly bizzare - 4/10.
14. All hail the king - I find this a very interesting song, lyrically great but once again suffers a bit from the mix. Still enjoyable when you know what jon is saying - 7/10
15. We dont run - Not sure I like the new mix as much but still love the energy, lyrics and passion - 7/10
16. I will drive you home - The album standout for me. Jons low register suits this song perfectly. The loose metaphor of cars, driving and racing shows they can still do all the silly metaphors as long as it is delivered in the right way, which this is. It takes all the time it needs to develop, and its just stuck in my head - 9/10.
17 - Goodnight NY - Its like I love this town dedicated to New York. No idea why Jon wrote this unless he wants it used in tourism ads so he can make a few quid. The final nail in the coffin is that jon sings "BEEP BEEP BEEP"! - 3/10.

Overall, a solid collection of songs generally ranking between 4 and 7 out of ten. There are very few stinkers or standouts. I think the absence of richie can be noted but (with the current state he's in) the album doesn't suffer as much as it could do. It perhaps may have had better solos on a few songs but I think Jon has put something solid enough together to get through the next tour.

But you can bet your ass he won't play i will drive you home live... :-x

Overall: 6/10. If Jon had released just 12 of 17 songs which were best he'd get a higher score but you have to take the whole collection as you first hear it really.

Imagine for a second the tracklist was as follows and you'd never heard the other 5 songs:

This House Is Not For Sale
Living with the ghost
Knockout
Labour of love
Born again tomorrow
Roller coaster
The devils in the temple
Scars on this guitar
God bless this mess
All hail the king
We don't run
I will drive you home

I think I'd give that a 7 or 8 if I wasnt aware Jon had written the other songs alongside.

I've had the album pretty much on repeat at any opportunity I've had to play it...
After one day I'd listened to it more times than I've listened to WAN in 3 years, so that can only be a good thing.

This House is Not For Sale - 7/10 - Didn't really like it at the time it was initially released, and it's the standard sort of album opener we expect, but it's not as bad as I thought.

Living With the Ghost - 7/10 - Largely about the relationship with Richie apparently, and it's sold, if a little uninspiring.

Knockout - 7/10 - Pretty much this album's "Have a Nice Day". Solid

Born Again Tomorrow - 9/10 - Bon Jovi meets Calvin Harris & Coldplay. I really like it and I think, should it be released as a single, with regular air play, it would do well. Unfortunately that won't be the case!!

Roller Coaster - 6.5/10 - All I hear is "The Middle" by Jimmy Eat World

New Year's Day - 7.5/10 - Powerful, especially considering the topic is the rebirth of the band under it's new guise

The Devil's In the Temple - 9/10 - Sticks out a bit like "If I Were Your Mother" on KTF in terms of it being quite heavy. Very much of the late 90s sound. Surprised they decided to pull it from Burning Bridges and stick it on here.

Scars on This Guitar - 7/10 - First of the real ballad songs on the album, but nowhere as bad as some of the turgid ballads we've had recently.

God Bless This Mess - 5/10 - Sounds like something from Lost Highway (an album I don't really like). It's just filler really

Reunion - 9/10 - I really shouldn't like this song.... but I love it! Definitely has an echo of "Whole Lot of Leaving" in the opening bars, and I personally find the chorus is a bit of a rip-off of "I Will Wait" by Mumford & Sons, but it works really well. I remember seeing the acoustic version from the actual graduation ceremony and being very meh about it... Shows what getting together with the band in the studio can do!

Come On Up To Our House - 7/10 - A fairly pleasant album closer. I'd like them to start finishing albums off with a punch, but recently they've been more closing time at the pub sort of songs.

Real Love - 4/10 - Blind Love Pt 2. Enough said...

All Hail The King - 8/10 - First time listening to it I suddenly thought Jon had had a revelation moment and found God, then I saw the Broadway stream, with explanation. I preferred my interpretation...

We Don't Run - 8.5/10 - It's My Life Pt2. Screw the haters... I love this song.

I Will Drive You Home - 8/10 - There's just something about this song that, for me, makes it hard to dislike. Jon's voice is way down to a level we've never heard, and it actually sounds really good.

Goodnight New York - 5/10 - It's a fun song, but it's the sort of thing that you'd imagine being played on TV during an ad campaign.

Overall - 7.5/10

You could probably listen to every song and pick out it's near equivalent from previous albums, not that this is a bad thing!
However, it's not an album that screams out that it's a Stadium Tour album. I wouldn't pay for a ticket to go and hear the songs played live. I don't want to pay money just to go and hear the old songs again either, so this time around, after 20 years, unless they play MK Bowl, I'm out...

It's also one thing to criticize as a fan and another to just criticize as a troll... At the end of the day this is still a fan board not an open forum for non-jovi fans to come here and stir the pot...

Jon said that this is about the re-birth of the band and dedicated to them when he explained how it came together in the studio and that it's anything "but a date on the calendar". ;)

It won't change when he knows the lyrics believe me

I've been a fan longer than you I guess - even if you're the world's most..... person :)
There are BJ fans who still love their stuff until 1995 and always will and hate their decline from then on. I am one of them. Live with it.

The thing you should have noticed from watching the Tidal stream was that Jon is fighting for every word. If there is anything that always pulled me in as a fan it was how hard Jon worked within the context of ability to give what had and continues to do so, even if that ability is much diminished from what he was able to do before. You aren't watching a man who is bored and is putting out minimal output on that stage. It's obvious to most all of us he is putting up a battle.

You are pretty much doing the equivalent of putting down a man who has been wheelchair ridden and is fighting to walk again for not dancing around. You don't have any idea as to what or why Jon is in his current condition, but it is his reality. You can prattle on about Steven Tyler or whoever else while disregarding the fact that Jon isn't any of those people. You don't have to like his current condition, but you should at least have enough ability to perceive the fact he's doing the best he can today. Is it a shame? Yes. Is it pitiful? No.

I'm a big KISS fan. You hear people just like you bagging on Paul Stanley... making fun of his voice and physical condition. Then you go back and watch any KISS performance from the 1980s and all you'll see is a man who gave his all every night, abusing his body and voice for your entertainment. Jon wasn't any different...except Paul was actually able to keep that up longer than Jon could. Mourn the loss of what you loved, but at least respect the dedication to doing the best they can with what they have.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I have mostly hated all albums since These Days, although I like the new one.

However, you seem very bitter about Bon Jovi's demise. Let it go dude, can't be nice to have been as let down as you seem for 20 years.

this is great,well done ;););):D:D:D

While I agree with you to some extent, there wasn't some accident or disaster that caused Jon to lose his voice suddenly. It happen gradually over the years, because he didn't protect his instrument; largely by his lifestyle choices. So you can't praise him for 'fighting for every word' while not blaming for being in a situation where he has to fight for the most simple notes.

We tend to assume it was his smoking that did it... except you have people pointing to smokers the same age or older than Jon that haven't suffered similar decline. We don't actually know why his voice is in the condition it is in. We can speculate all day long, but the fact is we don't really know the root cause. We can see the evidence that he is working as hard as he can with what he has.

I'm 43. I look closer to 33, quite matter of fact. My brother is 9 months younger than I am. He looks 45. The difference? Genes, for one. I'm adopted, whereas my brother is my mom and dad's biological son. He also has a family with 3 kids to contend with. No one could accuse my brother of not taking care of himself. It's a combination of luck of the draw genetically and different life paths.