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SZ: You're talking about alcohol... JBJ: Oh, Richie's had a lot of demons. Our drummer Tico Torres has been sober for 25 years now. I have been anyway. David Bryan has no issues with drugs. Did not know that Tico used to drink. |
I got my copy last thursday. I managed to stay away from all temptations and only watched the official videos.
I had very low expectations but got more and more excited once I started to read all your reviews. Fave Songs: This house Knockout (didnīt like it at first but love it now) Labour of Love (altough the melody reminds me too much of Saturday Night) Roller Coaster Devilīs in the Temple Scars God bless this mess Real Love All hail the king Iīll drive you home I still donīt have the connection with Ghost, Reunion, New Years day, Born again and Goodnight NY. I especially was looking forward to Ghost but somehow - I donīt know. I like the lyrics and the way Jon sings it but the music isnīt doing it for me. Come on up is way to cheesey for my tastes and I always hated We donīt Run. Didnīt like it on BB and was very disappointed when I found out it would be on this record as well. Next to WFTWM itīs the worst Jovi song for me. Overall itīs in my Top 3 post 2000 list next to Crush & Lost Highway. |
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Thanks to bonjovi90 for the article! This is what I found strange: SZ: Had there already been signs of your sidekick Richie Sambora leaving one day? JBJ: During the cause of a huge tour six years ago he needed to go to rehab, so we had a replacement guitarist for a number of shows. We were aware of Richie's issues, one day he lost his driver's license, the other he was sleeping on the street. These stories are known Altough itīs none of our business but this story is not known to me. But I guess itīs just another example of behind the scenes info we know nothing about. |
Anyone know who's doing the vocals at the end of I Will Drive You Home?
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Tico was a horrible drunk. Aggressive. I've seen that quoted and spoken a few times by Jon. The Tico of today is far removed from the 80's drinking TT. He apparently had an altercation with another group during the Moscow Music Piece Festival. That whole event was played by bands (including Jovi) under the influence of drink & drugs!! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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Tico said he went looking for Tommy Lee after Tommy punched Doc in Moscow.
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That's it. He was a formidable man in his heyday. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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What I can't understand is the way Jon carefully avoids actually saying that the reason Richie didn't show up in Calgary (or for the 80-whatever shows after that) is because he was drinking/drugging. He implies it all over the place; but when both Charlie Rose and this interviewer gave him the golden opportunity to just answer the question head-on, Jon swerved to innuendo and implication again. Why? It surely isn't out of any sense of loyalty or protection of Richie's privacy. Those ideals were gone with the wind the first time Jon brought up rehab and Phil-X in the same breath, and trusted people to connect the dots. And he's been freely giving up a little more detail with each subsequent interview. A straight answer to the question couldn't be any more damaging than all his innuendo and implications. When Jon said that David wasn't "dealing with same demons as Richie is", the guy attempted to clarify or confirm that Jon was referring to substance abuse, by saying, "You're talking about alcohol..." So why didn't Jon just answer, "Yes", instead of resorting to "Oh, Richie's had lots of demons", but then dragging it back to alcohol with the comment about Tico to imply that it was the case this time? He was just as non-responsive to the question about whether there had already been signs of Richie leaving. The question Jon answered was "Had there been signs that Richie had a substance abuse problem?" but that wasn't what the reporter asked. The actual question, however, was one that Jon apparently didn't want to answer, so he deflected instead. I don't deny that Richie's had alcohol problems in the past or that he could very well be experiencing them again. But the way Jon keeps bringing up rehab and past alcohol-related events, yet consistently hedges instead of giving a concrete answer - even when he's asked directly about it - just convinces me even more, that no matter how problematic Richie's addiction may have been in the past, it is NOT the reason behind this particular cluster****. Just my $.02... (Thanks for the transcript, bonjovi90!) |
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I think he doesn't want to read the headline saying HE accused RS of being a drunk. He's tip toeing around it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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******************************************** In the Spanish itw in London iirc, Jon said he no longer owned his recording studio in NJ, does anybody know about this? I mean, the studio was built on his property and, as far as we know, he didn't sell it, even though he and his family now live in their new NYC appartment most of the year. So what happened? Did he sell the equipment to get more cash to buy the Buffalo Bills or what? |
Very weird indeed. Either it's a legal case where you can't just accuse somebody of something without really proving it or it's NOT the only problem, and yet it's a cheap and easy excuse to have an immediate replacement and green light for the next move with the band. My sixth sense is telling me there's more to it than meets the eye...
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I imagine he remodeled the building the studio was in for a different purpose since he's not living at that house permanently anymore.
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Jonny, Jonny, you're not the omniscient narrator! LOL! http://c7.alamy.com/comp/G18Y91/sees...mer-G18Y91.jpg Seeshaupt, Germany. 10th May, 2016. dpa EXCLUSIVE - Tico Torres, drummer of Bon Jovi, smiles as he drinks a pint of beer in a beer garden after a presentation of his 'Rock Star Baby' fashion collection at the Lupaco Concept Store in Seeshaupt, Germany, 10 May 2016. Photo: Ursula Dueren/dpa/Alamy Live News |
It’s true that we don’t really know why Richie didn't show up that day, but I think what most of us only needed closure: will Richie be back? And if not, why? I think it’s safe to assume we know the why now.
And I’ve always liked the theory of Jon convincing Hugh to poison Richie’s dog. It would explain why all of a sudden he’s an official member (somebody should ressucitate that epic 1000+ posts thread to give the lazy journalists some shocking headlines) |
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With that in mind (taking into consideration the latest interviews) I think it's wise to take this tour one step at a time. I'm very bummed that Europe seems almost impossible now after all the effort and illusion I've put into saving for it, but I'd rather have Jon get his confidence back and do a stadium tour that both the fans and the band enjoy. I'm sure he knows the 2015 mini tour was atrocious and he's going to be very scrutinized this time. I'm not very optimistic about seeing a huge improvement vocally wise though. But I'd be more than happy to see a tight band (we already have it) and a frontman that believes in himself and wants to be there. It doesn't seem like Jon is ready for that in a full scale right now. |
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Well, is it true that Jon took up smoking when he was 37 and smokes till this day? If it's true, then with all the talking about the lack of confidence and straining the voice through countless performances, it's just like a slap in the face. Come on, smoking damage the voice more than anything!
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If it's true then I find Jon a hypocrite accusing Richie of being drunk and junkie while he himself is regularly damaging his voice with smoking. RS has been unable to do his best many times and Jon is unable to do his best almost all the time.
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Yes, he didn't miss a gig but he is a workaholic, he needs to be on tour constantly or at least he used to because in the recent interview he implied otherwise. Maybe RS leaving made him realise it, I don't know. Yet, smoking causes his singing to deteriorate and even if he is present in every show, it's way worse than it could be if he cared enough to give up on it. But it's easier to blame it on other issues or other people than to admit he holds on for dear life to such a disastrous habit. What a shame!
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I'm not sure the two things are equal. Yes, Jon is an idiot for starting to smoke when his voice was arguably already losing it's range. But regardless of his performance, he's still there to fulfil obligations. Someone being drunk/high and letting people down by either not showing up or being incapable of performing is far worse in my book. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Yes, being present is always better than being absent but delivering half of what you could give just because your addiction is stronger doesn't justify your smugness towards others. Richie is said to be such a hopeless alcoholic and yet I don't recollect so many disastrous accidents while recording as to give him the bad name. Yeah, he wasn't coping well with his addiction, he was in rehab but he always managed to go back on track. I still don't believe it was primarily his reason to leave the band. He didn't just leave the band because he wanted to drink and let his fans down. What I'm trying to say is that Jon isn't a saint himself and yet, with all his charity work and industriousness, he pretends to be the only reliable one. It's false if you take into account that he doesn't care THAT MUCH about the most important thing to BJ that is his voice. Some folks can imagine BJ without RS, as painful as it is, while can you imagine BJ without Jon's distant voice? Apparently yes, because the sentiment is stronger than the reality. His live performances leave a lot to be desired and it's not only because of the inevitable things like getting old or weary after years of performing.
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The thing is, some fans don't care what he sounds like live. And he knows that. I agree he is a fool to chancing his voice by smoking. I've seen contrasting arguments that there are heavier smokers out there who still have fantastic voices. Is it a FACT smoking ruined Jon's voice? All this Jon v Richie thing is not the point. IF it was Jon being drunk and ruining gigs/performances and letting the band down, I'd be the first to slate him. I'm not sure you can excuse Richie being a known drunk (DUI) because Jon MAY have ruined his voice by smoking. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
You could see the tension way earlier than RS actually left the band. It was not about his poor performance, because let's face it, I haven't come across the evidence that he was failing badly on a regular basis. When he was in rehab, he was officially replaced in the band which was still playing so no gigs were missing from the schedule. There are some rumours that RS indeed played horrendously in some recordings but there are just few of them and I can't call it a constant indisposition! If I'm wrong, please prove me wrong then. Even today we aren't sure if the somehow messy concerts are due to Richie's substance abuse or free interpretation which hasn't been agreed on in the band beforehand. As for a being an alcoholic, RS is quite a well functioning one not rolling in the dirt but still out and playing. It pains me that so many of us see things so black and white while there are so many shadows of grey and black holes that we may never get to know in full.
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Jon has at least stopped smoking since 2008 or 2009. And he's no saint either, no doubt about that. But what others have already mentioned and where I agree with them is that he's always showed up for his obligations. Richie's guitar playing has deteriorated as much as Jon's singing, yet he's the one who became the constant insecurity factor for the band.
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I'm honestly not bothered about what type of alcoholic Richie is or isn't. In his private life. But it would bother me if I payed to see a show and he's clearly a mess because of it. Several people on this board have witnessed that. I don't need video evidence to tell me the strain a drunk puts on people. Bon Jovi are better off without him. Sad but true. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
I have never attended a BJ concert where Jon was,Im not saying equal,but at a similar way like Richie in both Milton Keynes shows in 2006.
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IMO there are multiple things going on with Jon's voice... 1. His tone has changed. You can hear it when he speaks... He's got more of that Tico / Dylan rasp going on... I just assume that his chords are raw... 2. His range is done... He can't hit high notes... I'd love to know how far he could stretch before it all goes wrong... One of you vocal experts could probably figure that one out... 3. What's the cause... Smoking, Nature, Age, Abuse during the 80s and 90s? I'd say all the above... it's like an athlete who abused his body his whole life... It all just catches up with you when you get older... 4. Is it fixable??? Probably not... can he learn new techniques and relearn different ways to sing his songs. Maybe. I've noticed some changes when he sing Who Says... He's lowering the second 'Alright' 5. With all that said, Jon can still sing and has an amazing voice if he doesn't have to hit any higher notes... I call it his Elvis voice... He can still hold a note within his capable range...I Will Drive You Home, Labor Of Love, Teardrop, Devils in The Temple, etc are great songs IMO... these are the type of songs he needs to make going forward... He used a similar vocal for DA on a lot of songs and I think that's why THINFS reminds me a lot of of DA... If someone said that I Will Drive You Home was a lost track from DA, I'd believe it. From the title, to the music, to the beats, to the vocal... all sounds familiar... Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk |
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