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Denmad 12-24-2016 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1216547)
Reunion doesn't have a clip... Or did I miss that one?

"Reunion" video was filmed at Camden High School on October 21st, 2016.

It's my faith 12-25-2016 10:51 PM

New Year's Day videoclip

Santa Fe 12-26-2016 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by It's my faith (Post 1216554)

Love it .
In my opinion , It is one of their best videos.

Rdkopper 12-26-2016 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Santa Fe (Post 1216561)
Love it .
In my opinion , It is one of their best videos.

Agree. Not he best story but best clips of the band

Rdkopper 12-26-2016 03:35 PM

The more I listen the album the more I'm adjusting to it... I'm getting used to the production... When I first heard the album, I was so used to the live versions that I wasn't very big of the Studio Versions but now that It's all starting to settle, I'm leaning more towards the album versions now... Especially when I watch the videos...

Jeeper 12-26-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1216566)
The more I listen the album the more I'm adjusting to it... I'm getting used to the production... When I first heard the album, I was so used to the live versions that I wasn't very big of the Studio Versions but now that It's all starting to settle, I'm leaning more towards the album versions now... Especially when I watch the videos...



I rarely watch the videos anymore. I feel in some cases they can almost spoil a song. Whenever I hear TDITT now I think of that shit vid. Love the song - HATE the video.

But I get what you're saying - videos can enhance a song.


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Bleeding Purist 12-30-2016 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1216568)
I rarely watch the videos anymore. I feel in some cases they can almost spoil a song. Whenever I hear TDITT now I think of that shit vid. Love the song - HATE the video.

But I get what you're saying - videos can enhance a song.


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Exact same deal with me. I haven't been big on music videos in quite a long time as I no longer like having the visuals of a video tied to the song, with rare exceptions. I prefer live concert visuals. Perhaps a couple of rewatches of TDITT from the Barrymore Theatre would do away with the music video visuals?

Some of the THINFS videos are beautifully shot, New Years Day being one of them. I just don't care much for the visual of Jon miming through the songs. The happy, smilley Jon in the video is at odds with the Jon naturally emoting the song while doing it live. The latter is far more effective.

NicoRourke 12-30-2016 09:41 PM

All I care about right now is having a video for 'Ghost'.
That's the last song out of the 12 from the standard album for which we don't have one yet, correct?
To me, it's the best song on the album. I hope they do one.

liljovi93 12-30-2016 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleeding Purist (Post 1216628)
Exact same deal with me. I haven't been big on music videos in quite a long time as I no longer like having the visuals of a video tied to the song, with rare exceptions. I prefer live concert visuals. Perhaps a couple of rewatches of TDITT from the Barrymore Theatre would do away with the music video visuals?

Some of the THINFS videos are beautifully shot, New Years Day being one of them. I just don't care much for the visual of Jon miming through the songs. The happy, smilley Jon in the video is at odds with the Jon naturally emoting the song while doing it live. The latter is far more effective.

This is perfectly put.

I want to see the emotional JBJ that we got on the live performances. That's what made the songs even better because we got the meaning from his delivery on the live shows. The videos except for 'Scars On This Guitar' and TDITT (the whole ten seconds he's in it) we haven't got anything but a happy JBJ who does his windmill arms and his big grin every 5 seconds. (I do love the shot of the band at the start of NYD though with JBJ doing his trademark dance thingy)

I do hope we get something for 'Living With The Ghost'

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liljovi93 12-30-2016 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NicoRourke (Post 1216629)
All I care about right now is having a video for 'Ghost'.
That's the last song out of the 12 from the standard album for which we don't have one yet, correct?
To me, it's the best song on the album. I hope they do one.

We haven't seen 'Reunion' yet and nothing for 'God Bless This Mess' either yet.

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Jayster 12-31-2016 03:19 AM

https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.fo...android-om-lge

"From this list, Bon Jovi’s latest album This House Is Not For Sale was the only one that actually made it to the top spot on the Billboard 200. While it may have been a No. 1 record for a single frame back in November, the album now owns the distinction of being the title with the largest drop off from the peak of the albums tally. The week after it started in the lead position,*House*plummeted out of the top 40 entirely, settling at No. 43 in week two. That’s the largest descent from No. 1 ever recorded, and it doesn’t get much better after that. Those ended up being the only two weeks it would remain within the top 100 at all. The album has also now spun off eight singles (with a ninth on its way), but not one of them has charted on the Hot 100, even for a week.

So in other words, hardcore fans bought it when it was first released and they have attracted next to no new fans with their new material.

Jayster 12-31-2016 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1216626)

Ok video, truly awful song. It's the most "filler" song on the album for me. Doesn't deserve a video. The lyrics make me cringe.

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Stranger11 12-31-2016 01:34 PM

At first I thought it was a good idea to have a video to every song on the album but now that I´ve seen most of them I don´t really see the point anymore.

The band performances esp. Jon look all the same. Hand up, hand down, hand up, hand down,... Some of the stories are nice but really the videos are pretty much all the same just in different locations.

Captain Hook 12-31-2016 01:46 PM

I like the BAT and NYD videos the most.

Kukoc7 01-01-2017 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Hook (Post 1216637)
I like the BAT and NYD videos the most.

I have to agree. I would throw in the Knockout video as well.
Question my Jovi compadres:
Does anybody find the guitar riff in the beginning, middle, and end of NYD simply fantastic?

Thinny 01-01-2017 01:10 PM

No I hate it, such a blatant Killers rip off sound...

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Originally Posted by Kukoc7 (Post 1216661)
I have to agree. I would throw in the Knockout video as well.
Question my Jovi compadres:
Does anybody find the guitar riff in the beginning, middle, and end of NYD simply fantastic?


Kukoc7 01-01-2017 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1216665)
No I hate it, such a blatant Killers rip off sound...

It's 2017. Most guitar riffs derive from other artists.

Thinny 01-01-2017 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kukoc7 (Post 1216670)
It's 2017. Most guitar riffs derive from other artists.

How about they make the guitars sound like, oh I don't know...BON JOVI guitars!?

If it was just one song I could live with it...but New Years Days, God Bless This Mess, Living With The Ghost...all rip off the horrible Killers guitar sound....I could go on, there's more. I don't hear any other artists blatantly ripping off another bands guitar sound like this... they either seem to want the guitars to sound like The Killers or U2. It's been evident on both The Circle and WAN too and it's getting old now...

It's such a shame after Burning Bridges, which had a great guitar sound throughout...

Kukoc7 01-02-2017 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1216674)
How about they make the guitars sound like, oh I don't know...BON JOVI guitars!?

If it was just one song I could live with it...but New Years Days, God Bless This Mess, Living With The Ghost...all rip off the horrible Killers guitar sound....I could go on, there's more. I don't hear any other artists blatantly ripping off another bands guitar sound like this... they either seem to want the guitars to sound like The Killers or U2. It's been evident on both The Circle and WAN too and it's getting old now...

It's such a shame after Burning Bridges, which had a great guitar sound throughout...

Right on. That's your opinion.
For the most part, I enjoy the production and guitar work on THINFS. I could make the argument that the guitar sound on Bounce was a ripoff or ode to Creed and that was with Richie in the pre-Shanks era.

jovifan93 01-02-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kukoc7 (Post 1216661)
I have to agree. I would throw in the Knockout video as well.
Question my Jovi compadres:
Does anybody find the guitar riff in the beginning, middle, and end of NYD simply fantastic?

Hmm, no, sounds too much like anything on WAN to me. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely f*cking love the song, and the riff fits, but others would've done, too ;-)

Kukoc7 01-02-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1216688)
Hmm, no, sounds too much like anything on WAN to me. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely f*cking love the song, and the riff fits, but others would've done, too ;-)

I'm glad we both agree that we love this song. I'm not trying to make a claim that it possesses some sort of orginal riff. I dig it for feeling more atmospheric while remaining simplistic. Nothing fancy...I find that it sets up and finishes the 2016 type of Bon Jovi song just right.

jovifan93 01-03-2017 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kukoc7 (Post 1216701)
I'm glad we both agree that we love this song. I'm not trying to make a claim that it possesses some sort of orginal riff. I dig it for feeling more atmospheric while remaining simplistic. Nothing fancy...I find that it sets up and finishes the 2016 type of Bon Jovi song just right.

That we can agree on :-)

Thomas S 01-05-2017 12:04 AM

Video for God Bless This Mess tomorrow. The snippet on the band's facebook page looks awesome.

Captain_jovi 01-05-2017 12:11 AM

This one looks interesting. Definitely brings up the Sambora split, we'll see if that's throughout or just an example of a mess.

Kukoc7 01-05-2017 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas S (Post 1216728)
Video for God Bless This Mess tomorrow. The snippet on the band's facebook page looks awesome.

Definitely looking forward to seeing this one tomorrow.
Serious question for fans with strong opinions either way on THINFS.
Should I feel sorry for the longtime fans who strongly dislike this new album or does this mean I should begin questioning my own personal music taste after 43 years in this world? ;)

JackieBlue 01-05-2017 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kukoc7 (Post 1216730)
Definitely looking forward to seeing this one tomorrow.
Serious question for fans with strong opinions either way on THINFS.
Should I feel sorry for the longtime fans who strongly dislike this new album or does this mean I should begin questioning my own personal music taste after 43 years in this world? ;)

I think it would be a shame to let the opinions of others cause you to question your own taste in music. I hope the *wink* means you were kidding about that.

But why feel sorry for people whose tastes differ from yours? Wouldn't it be easier to simply acknowledge that musical preferences are subjective and that people will rarely agree on what constitutes "good" music?

Like what you like, with no need for apology or explanation; and accept the opinions of others as just that - opinions.

You might want to take this particular opinion with a grain of salt, though, since I rarely have a strong negative reaction to music of any kind. I tend to like everything from The Chipmunks to Chopin; and that would include THINFS - and almost everything else in the BJ catalog. ;)

Kukoc7 01-05-2017 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1216733)
I think it would be a shame to let the opinions of others cause you to question your own taste in music. I hope the *wink* means you were kidding about that.

But why feel sorry for people whose tastes differ from yours? Wouldn't it be easier to simply acknowledge that musical preferences are subjective and that people will rarely agree on what constitutes "good" music?

Like what you like, with no need for apology or explanation; and accept the opinions of others as just that - opinions.

You might want to take this particular opinion with a grain of salt, though, since I rarely have a strong negative reaction to music of any kind. I tend to like everything from The Chipmunks to Chopin; and that would include THINFS - and almost everything else in the BJ catalog. ;)

I was kidding.
I get your point here. I agree that we should refrain from demeaning or criticizing someone just because they may not agree with our taste/opinion.
I've been guilty of that myself.
Sometimes though if someone's strong opinion is factually wrong than it becomes ridiculous.
I'm more like you in that I do dig everything from classical music to metal, broadway musicals to hip-hop jazz. I understood the criticism of WAN. Just find it hard to fathom that many Jovi fans don't embrace this album more for where the band is in 2017.

JackieBlue 01-05-2017 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kukoc7 (Post 1216734)
I was kidding.
I get your point here. I agree that we should refrain from demeaning or criticizing someone just because they may not agree with our taste/opinion.
I've been guilty of that myself.
Sometimes though if someone's strong opinion is factually wrong than it becomes ridiculous.
I'm more like you in that I do dig everything from classical music to metal, broadway musicals to hip-hop jazz. I understood the criticism of WAN. Just find it hard to fathom that many Jovi fans don't embrace this album more for where the band is in 2017.

Ridiculous it may be, but even an opinion based on faulty reasoning is still just an opinion. :)

From most critical comments I've read about this album (or any other, for that matter), I get the impression that people have certain expectations going in - before they hear a song or an album - about what they are hoping it will sound like. If it isn't what they expect to hear, they think the artist didn't give it their best shot or they copied someone else or they were chasing a hit or ... whatever explanation justifies to them why it isn't what they wanted, or thought it would be.

I first noticed it in comments about AOTL, when I read stuff like, "I thought Richie wanted the freedom to do what he wanted. It's clear that Jon wasn't holding him back, because this album doesn't rock any harder than anything Jovi has done" or similar criticisms. While it's true that the album may not be any more "rock" than stuff he did with the band, it's the premise that could be the problem, not his music.

The assumption, in this example, seemed to be that Richie wanted the freedom to "rock", and as a result, some fans were disappointed in the album and thought Richie was just lazy or didn't have the chops anymore. But, iirc, what Richie said was that he wanted the freedom to express himself in the way he wanted, in a way that he couldn't do when he was restricted to writing or recording only that which Jon could give feel or give voice to. And I think that's exactly what he did, regardless of whether it "rocked" or not.


In the same way, I think ppl expected more from THINFS because they thought it would be filled with anger or true gut reactions (similar to their own) and that it might possibly be the best thing they've done to date, if for no other reason than Jon would be hell bent on proving that he doesn't need Richie. When it didn't meet their own expectations - whatever they were - they were set up to be somewhat disappointed.

Someone posted, on another thread I think, that BJ is like every other band. They released 4 or 5 "great" albums and everything else is "okay" at best (paraphrased).

Whether that is true or not, it seems to me that it has more to do with the fans' expectations than it does with the band's output. It's like they want the band to stay true to themselves and maintain that recognizable 'sound' - so don't stray too far; but they also want something new and fresh - so don't stay too close to home, either. It's kind of a catch-22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

This isn't meant to offend anyone, and I don't have particular posts in mind. It's just a general observation and obviously just my opinion. But that's the way it looks from where I sit anyway.

Kukoc7 01-05-2017 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1216735)
Ridiculous it may be, but even an opinion based on faulty reasoning is still just an opinion. :)

From most critical comments I've read about this album (or any other, for that matter), I get the impression that people have certain expectations going in - before they hear a song or an album - about what they are hoping it will sound like. If it isn't what they expect to hear, they think the artist didn't give it their best shot or they copied someone else or they were chasing a hit or ... whatever explanation justifies to them why it isn't what they wanted, or thought it would be.

I first noticed it in comments about AOTL, when I read stuff like, "I thought Richie wanted the freedom to do what he wanted. It's clear that Jon wasn't holding him back, because this album doesn't rock any harder than anything Jovi has done" or similar criticisms. While it's true that the album may not be any more "rock" than stuff he did with the band, it's the premise that could be the problem, not his music.

The assumption, in this example, seemed to be that Richie wanted the freedom to "rock", and as a result, some fans were disappointed in the album and thought Richie was just lazy or didn't have the chops anymore. But, iirc, what Richie said was that he wanted the freedom to express himself in the way he wanted, in a way that he couldn't do when he was restricted to writing or recording only that which Jon could give feel or give voice to. And I think that's exactly what he did, regardless of whether it "rocked" or not.


In the same way, I think ppl expected more from THINFS because they thought it would be filled with anger or true gut reactions (similar to their own) and that it might possibly be the best thing they've done to date, if for no other reason than Jon would be hell bent on proving that he doesn't need Richie. When it didn't meet their own expectations - whatever they were - they were set up to be somewhat disappointed.

Someone posted, on another thread I think, that BJ is like every other band. They released 4 or 5 "great" albums and everything else is "okay" at best (paraphrased).

Whether that is true or not, it seems to me that it has more to do with the fans' expectations than it does with the band's output. It's like they want the band to stay true to themselves and maintain that recognizable 'sound' - so don't stray too far; but they also want something new and fresh - so don't stay too close to home, either. It's kind of a catch-22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

This isn't meant to offend anyone, and I don't have particular posts in mind. It's just a general observation and obviously just my opinion. But that's the way it looks from where I sit anyway.

It shouldn't offend anyone.
Really solid, objective-thinking observations.
Personally, I have never dialed into whether or not I would enjoy a Jovi track because of how friggin' rockin' it is.
It has always been about their songwriting and uncanny ability to twist melodic chords into something I have consistently found, simplistically-brilliant.

WILDJOVIMAN 01-05-2017 08:31 AM

i think there will be a DVD/BlueRay with all the Videos from the Album.. who´s with me ?

steel_horse75 01-05-2017 11:32 AM

I guess we have to realise this is 2017 and not 1984 or any other years up until 96.

Times, sounds, bands and music changes. Not necessarily to my tastes but it does.

liljovi93 01-05-2017 07:34 PM

Video is up on Tidal. I really like it.

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steel_horse75 01-05-2017 08:25 PM

Anyone got a link to the vid??

jon-flp 01-05-2017 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1216742)
Anyone got a link to the vid??

http://www.miaopai.com/show/n5v2WYzy...swBc0PSQ__.htm

united17 01-05-2017 08:41 PM

Have any of the recent albums brought a sizeable amount of new fans to the band though?

I got in with HAND in 2005. My un-educated gut opinion tells me that was the last record that brought a sizeable amount of new fans to the band.

I love the God Bless This Mess video. The Devil's In The Temple being my #2. The New Year's Day video felt like filler to me.

steel_horse75 01-05-2017 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jon-flp (Post 1216743)



Cheers......

nikos greece 01-06-2017 01:51 AM

i misinterpreted it or there are 2-3 shots of cocaine implying richie is an addict?? i wonder why the choose to show the powder if not as an implication

Captain_jovi 01-06-2017 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1216750)
i misinterpreted it or there are 2-3 shots of cocaine implying richie is an addict?? i wonder why the choose to show the powder if not as an implication

Must have missed that. At what point?

Kukoc7 01-06-2017 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by united17 (Post 1216744)
Have any of the recent albums brought a sizeable amount of new fans to the band though?

I got in with HAND in 2005. My un-educated gut opinion tells me that was the last record that brought a sizeable amount of new fans to the band.

I love the God Bless This Mess video. The Devil's In The Temple being my #2. The New Year's Day video felt like filler to me.

I believe Lost Highway, whether fans like the album or not,
may have been the last release to bring in a a lot of new Jovi fans.


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