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DryCounty 02-09-2017 05:46 AM

1. THINFS
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. Born To Follow
6. Lost Highway
7. Roller Coaster
8. Working Man
9. Becaue We Can
10. We Got It Goin' On
11. Who Says You Can't Go Home
12. It's My Life
13. God Bless This Mess
14. Scars on This Guitar
15. The Devil's In the Temple
16. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
17. Blood on Blood
18. Lay Your Hands on Me
19. Have a Nice Day
20. Bad Medicine
21. Keep the Faith

Encore
22. Always
23. Wanted Dead or Alive
24. Livin' on a Prayer

Captmorgs 02-09-2017 05:46 AM

Jon gets it. #faithrestored


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Savvi 02-09-2017 05:46 AM

I wonder if Prayer is it, or if they'll end with Come on Up to Our House.

Manbou 02-09-2017 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1217610)
I wonder if Prayer is it, or if they'll end with Come on Up to Our House.

6 new tracks so far. I wouldn't mind if they threw in another.

CLEYoungGun21 02-09-2017 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Manbou (Post 1217611)
6 new tracks so far. I wouldn't mind if they threw in another.



Just not Come on up to Our House

Savvi 02-09-2017 05:48 AM

Maybe cos it's been a while, but I'm still getting goosebumps when the keys come in to start the electric part of Prayer.

Savvi 02-09-2017 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CLEYoungGun21 (Post 1217612)
Just not Come on up to Our House

Hahaha! Agreed :D :p

Kathleen 02-09-2017 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1217613)
Maybe cos it's been a while, but I'm still getting goosebumps when the keys come in to start the electric part of Prayer.

Yeah - it's been a while - Always gave me goosebumps too.

Kathleen 02-09-2017 05:50 AM

Ouch - he tried it.

Savvi 02-09-2017 05:51 AM

Goosebumps again when the crowd screamed after Jon's "LIVIN! ON A PRAYERRRRR!!"

I'm really genuinely enjoying this.

DestinationJovi 02-09-2017 05:51 AM

Damn. He's worked hard on his voice.

I'm impressed.

CLEYoungGun21 02-09-2017 05:51 AM

Judging from what I heard, Jon can still hit the high notes before the solo in Prayer, and "It's all that you got" after... not bad!


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Manbou 02-09-2017 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1217614)
Hahaha! Agreed :D :p

I guess it's quite hard to find an epic ending song just after you played Prayer :)

Rdkopper 02-09-2017 05:53 AM

Yeah... this works... for a guy that everyone thought who was done... came back with a nice album and a start to what looks like a promising tour...

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Kathleen 02-09-2017 05:54 AM

I will now be looking forward to my show - whoohoo.

Captmorgs 02-09-2017 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1217618)
Damn. He's worked hard on his voice.

I'm impressed.

Yes, he has. Agreed.

Manbou 02-09-2017 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1217621)
Yeah... this works... for a guy that everyone thought who was done... came back with a nice album and a start to what looks like a promising tour...

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Agree!

Now I think there are just two things to be done:
1) Work on the first half of the set list. Maybe throw in Born Again Tomorrow? ;)
2) Get the word out to the concert going public, that they are truly back.
Did I forget something?


Oh yeah, possible point 3: Despite all the considerable progress Jon made with his voice, he should be careful so that he will still have some good voice left for Europe :D

DryCounty 02-09-2017 05:56 AM

Guess that's it. Not to bad to be the first show of the tour. The first and the second half of the show are like two different worlds imo.

15. The Devil's In the Temple
16. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
17. Blood on Blood
18. Lay Your Hands on Me
19. Have a Nice Day
20. Bad Medicine
21. Keep the Faith

Encore
22. Always
23. Wanted Dead or Alive
24. Livin' on a Prayer


That's an great section song. Really enjoyed following this night. Have a feeling this tour will only get better from here.

Savvi 02-09-2017 05:56 AM

Jon's voice wasn't perfect, and the first half of that setlist was way too boring, but compared to what I was expecting... I am thrilled.

My worry is if his voice will hold out from show after show. I wish he had spread out the dates a bit more.

Rdkopper 02-09-2017 05:57 AM

I think he's singing the higher notes softer... instead of punching them out loud, he's softening certain parts... he must have worked with a coach on certain songs...

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Burlhouse 02-09-2017 05:57 AM

Wouldn't mind to see a change in the setlist, but maybe it's designed in such a way to provide a vocal build up for the high notes in the last songs?


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Captmorgs 02-09-2017 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1217627)
I think he's singing the higher notes softer... instead of punching them out loud, he's softening certain parts... he must have worked with a coach on certain songs...

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I think this is right (higher notes softer). Where are all the people that said Jon is too lazy to work on his voice? [emoji849]


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bounce442 02-09-2017 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1217627)
I think he's singing the higher notes softer... instead of punching them out loud, he's softening certain parts... he must have worked with a coach on certain songs...

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Most, maybe. But Always, he belted out the chorus. I think that was Jon turning it up to 11.

Savvi 02-09-2017 06:07 AM

Dang, just realised no Living With a Ghost either. That, and Born Again Tomorrow need to be in the set.

Kathleen 02-09-2017 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1217633)
Dang, just realised no Living With a Ghost either. That, and Born Again Tomorrow need to be in the set.

Agreed, I really want to hear Living with the Ghost.

JackieBlue 02-09-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1217633)
Dang, just realised no Living With a Ghost either. That, and Born Again Tomorrow need to be in the set.

No New Year's Day or We Don't Run, either... That's a little surprising.

Manbou 02-09-2017 06:50 AM

Yep. I would say Born Again Tomorrow, We Don't Run and Living With the Ghost in and Because We Can, WWBTF, and Working Man out. This would work even if the first half is intended as a vocal warm up phase.

(I personally wouldn't mind Who Says to vanish from the set lists, but it seems like a fair amount of people are enjoying it).

Captain_jovi 02-09-2017 07:15 AM

Setlist was published. Audibles were Whole lot of leaving, I'll be there for you, Raise your hands, Sleep when im dead and We don't run.

What's strange is the place he sang Always, the setlist says the song is "500 Miles". Anyone have any guesses?

JackieBlue 02-09-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1217637)
Setlist was published. Audibles were Whole lot of leaving, I'll be there for you, Raise your hands, Sleep when im dead and We don't run.

What's strange is the place he sang Always, the setlist says the song is "500 Miles". Anyone have any guesses?

The old folk song? "If you miss the train I'm on, you will know that I am gone. You can hear the whistle blow 500 miles..."?

That would be weird, but it's the only "500 miles" that comes to mind...

Savvi 02-09-2017 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1217637)
What's strange is the place he sang Always, the setlist says the song is "500 Miles". Anyone have any guesses?

Surely it wouldn't be Im Gonna Be (500 Miles) by The Proclaimers? :confused:

Walleris 02-09-2017 08:32 AM

ALWAYS???

He would never do it on the first night of the tour/leg, even when his voice was better. I thought he was a comedian for doing this, but I see positive comments on the performance, so I'm super curious now.

For those who watched the stream (since it's too early for any YouTube vids), how did the vocals compare to Always of 2011 and Always of 2013?

And also, how did he generally sound on other challenging notes, e.g. chorus of Blood on Blood, chorus of Bad Name, verses of Bad Medicine, electric Sat Night, and others?

Gadden 02-09-2017 08:51 AM

I told you he would do Always ;)

Anyone got a video? xD

Jayster 02-09-2017 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Savvi (Post 1217639)
Surely it wouldn't be Im Gonna Be (500 Miles) by The Proclaimers? :confused:

Hahaha. I hope it was.

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symbeline 02-09-2017 11:53 AM

5. Born To Follow
6. Lost Highway
8. Working Man
9. Because We Can
10. We Got It Goin' On

Dreadful

If they drop the THINFS songs this tour will be over before it has even started

I just can't. There's absolutely no logical reason for Follow, Workin Man and BWC to be there. Nobody cares about them.

Huge disappointment. If those songs are still in the setlist after all the past fiascos, they are here to stay. I can accept Jon's voice, I can accept that the setlists will be hits + easy post2000 songs, most of which I don't like (all of them tbh). But I don't accept those shit songs over and over and over again for no reason (LH is ok but played to death)

6 songs from THINFS is really great. Until Jon decides that they are not working and instead we get WAN, ILTT, WWWB, Cap Crash and the likes. In the same show.

I know the second part is pretty good, but does anybody really believe that Jon doesn't think the first part is almost as good?

Sorry to be pessimistic but this is the same tour again and I really wasn't expecting it. I can't accept no singles from Bounce but the same shit songs from TC or WAN. They tanked the same. Fans don't care. Get rid of those damn songs for once

symbeline 02-09-2017 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1217627)
I think he's singing the higher notes softer... instead of punching them out loud, he's softening certain parts... he must have worked with a coach on certain songs...

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He already did this on the HAND tour and to me it was the last strong tour. I know LH and TC tour got awesome songs, but I didn't like how he sang for the most part. The HAND tour was pretty good and fun.

symbeline 02-09-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1217637)
Setlist was published. Audibles were Whole lot of leaving, I'll be there for you, Raise your hands, Sleep when im dead and We don't run.

Easy songs (except IBTFY) and would have improved the first part 100%

I just don't understand why he doesn't drop WAN and TC altogether. His "not looking into the past" policy is getting ridiculous. Does he really think that going further than 10 years is going to hurt his credibility as a non nostalgia band? There are plenty of songs from Crush-HAND that are well known and easy to sing. Songs that were regulars in their own tours and have been played since pretty frequently. Is the pre-LH era the new 90s?? :(

Walleris 02-09-2017 12:48 PM

​Because I'm a petty loser who has nothing better to do than complain, I thought I'd dig the offline Periscope recording to analyse Jon's vocals after all the praise he's been getting. Overall, I'd say he put of a good fight, but there the vocal chords are gone there are no magic fixes, sadly.

I only listened to the songs I'm interested for this purpose:
- Saturday Night - about the level of mid-2013 which of course is not great, but in 2017 qualifies as 'above expectations'. The "I know I'll get by" was off-key which is expected. David powerful "hey hey hey" is still there. One of the improvements since Richie's departure is that Dave really sings his heart out on this one!
- Blood On Blood - due to added backing bocals it's become an easy chorus for Jon to hide, but on the pre-chorus ("we were so young" part) he struggled quite a bit.
- Lay Your Hands - good effort from Jon, I am actually surprised that Jon even sings the chorus on this one, he should simply skip it and add his "all you gotta do" ad-libs. He sounded decent on verses, I'll give him that. And that long "you" was really good! They should definitely do the drum intro before the song to give Jon a 2-3 minute break (the same reason why David should do In These Arms)
- Have A Nice Day - exactly the same as in 2015 which is a synonymn for 'absolutely attrocious'. Even all the delayed notes is not enough to make it listenable.

Unfortunately the stream ended here I couldn't catch KTF, LOAP and Always. So I'll get back to them later

Matrix15 02-09-2017 01:28 PM

Sounds like the consensus is the old boy pulled it out of the bag and I'm glad. This heightens the chance of a European tour surely. As for the set list... Meh, night one. What can you expect?

symbeline 02-09-2017 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Matrix15 (Post 1217651)
Sounds like the consensus is the old boy pulled it out of the bag and I'm glad. This heightens the chance of a European tour

I think most of us are still here because we believe in Jon. He's been the weak link for many years, but we know he's a fighter and he never gives up (there's an Army of One joke in there that I'm not going to make ;)). I have no doubt he'll fight tooth and nail to give his best. My complain is not about the vocals and it's never been really. I appreciate the effort now, same as I've appreciated it for the past 10 years even though I didn't care about his singing technique from 2008 onwards.

But kudos to him for acknowledging the problem and fighting his way back. I'm sure if he had kept his 2015 voice but improved his alarmingly poor stage presence, he'd be more than fine now. People expect the natural decline of older singers/bands. He wouldn't have the no.1 tour but I'm sure the numbers would be still decent. But he went the extra mile, at least to improve vocally. So yeah, he deserves the pat in the back

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Originally Posted by Matrix15 (Post 1217651)
As for the set list... Meh, night one. What can you expect?

Considering I don't like 90% of the regular setlist starting from the HAND tour, I don't expect I'll like it. Not the first show and probably not the majority of the shows on this leg. But still makes no sense to have the singles from albums than tanked, songs that didn't go well in past tours or aren't even on the GH compilation. Nobody is asking for them. There are singles that are easy to sing and have gone well in the past or recent ones that seem to work:

Undivided
The Distance
Bounce
Radio
No Apologies
We Don't Run
Born Again Tomorrow (I think it was a single on some countries??)

Plus non singles that seem to go well:
Just Older
Last Man Standing
LTOR
Water

Do we really need to suffer through WFTWM and BWC? Follow I understand, it's on the GH. Awful song but Jon can justify why it's included. But not the others, considering they have many easy songs to choose from that will go well with the majority of the fans, I can't understand why. And what worries me is that they've been played two shows in a row now. It raises a red flag

symbeline 02-09-2017 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1217650)
​Because I'm a petty loser who has nothing better to do than complain, I thought I'd dig the offline Periscope recording to analyse Jon's vocals after all the praise he's been getting. Overall, I'd say he put of a good fight, but there the vocal chords are gone there are no magic fixes, sadly.

I only listened to the songs I'm interested for this purpose:
- Saturday Night - about the level of mid-2013 which of course is not great, but in 2017 qualifies as 'above expectations'. The "I know I'll get by" was off-key which is expected. David powerful "hey hey hey" is still there. One of the improvements since Richie's departure is that Dave really sings his heart out on this one!
- Blood On Blood - due to added backing bocals it's become an easy chorus for Jon to hide, but on the pre-chorus ("we were so young" part) he struggled quite a bit.
- Lay Your Hands - good effort from Jon, I am actually surprised that Jon even sings the chorus on this one, he should simply skip it and add his "all you gotta do" ad-libs. He sounded decent on verses, I'll give him that. And that long "you" was really good! They should definitely do the drum intro before the song to give Jon a 2-3 minute break (the same reason why David should do In These Arms)
- Have A Nice Day - exactly the same as in 2015 which is a synonymn for 'absolutely attrocious'. Even all the delayed notes is not enough to make it listenable.

Unfortunately the stream ended here I couldn't catch KTF, LOAP and Always. So I'll get back to them later

What stream are you talking about? I only saw a periscope link with YGLABN and BTBMB and a couple of snippets. Is there another one?

I really want to hear Saturday electric. It's a song that works even with dodgy vocals when Jon gives his all.


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