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bonjovi90 02-13-2017 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1218075)
Everyday was brought back randomly for one show in 2008. I think Thank You For Loving Me is the rarest of those, in North America at least.
Yep. Thank You For Loving Me was played only once after 2001 if I'm not mistaken - and that was the Valentine's show in 2011.

Walleris 02-13-2017 12:01 AM
Which one is played the least is very easy to check (setlist.fm), but which one is the most underplayed is the question I'm curious about.

Captmorgs 02-13-2017 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1218073)
Most underplayed Bon Jovi song ever based on my imaginary PlayCount/Popularity ratio.

Offtopic, which songs would even come close? On top of my head:

In & Out Of Love (never played since 80s; featured in Cross Roads, so perhaps slightly popular, but substantially less so)
I Believe (perhaps slightly more popular in US, although not in Europe, and played slightly more)
Thank You For Loving Me (very popular in Spotify, YouTube etc., yet barely played after 2000)
Everyday (decent hit in Europe, dropped forever since 2006, even deep cuts from the same album get more spotlight)

I'd still say TAALS beats them all. Although 10 years ago it would be Always by a landslide given how popular it is.
I Believe opened the show throughout the Keep The Faith tour. Since then, a rarity.

Captain_jovi 02-13-2017 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1218065)
I agree that the TD songs don't work now. But when they didn't work the first time, did he tried harder? No, he didn't. But he has crammed down everybody's throats many other songs that also went down like lead baloons and he didn't have a problem, tour after tour. Hence my argument. I'm pretty sure Jon likes TD the album and the lyrics are pretty fitting to his values 20 years ago and now, but the songs are difficult to sing so it's an easy way out. Check any performance from Follow-BWC-WAN and similar songs and compare to recent TD, STBI, TAALS and tell me he doesn't work his ass off to sing them, both because he likes the songs and because they are difficult. Don't you think that a regular fan wouldn't prefer a passionate TD over *insert any non single from LH onwards that's usually a piss break*?

If Jon sang them every night, they would be familiar. Hey, I've gotten my share of TD songs and I know that chances are when I see them again, they'll play at least a couple and many others that won't be played in the NA leg, this is not about my personal preference. It's just that I don't buy the argument precisely because when Jon likes a song no amount of complains every night will change his mind.

Where most TC and WAN songs well received? I understand he has to include the first single for every album to have at least a song that's been on the radio but that doesn't justify Working Men three nights in a row. I know we are stuck with Follow and BWC but all the rest should be on rotation. I'm not asking for TD songs, but why nothing from Crush, Bounce and HAND?
I agree with most of that. To be fair, random songs from Crush, Bounce and Hand do pop up. Open All Night got it's first performance on the Lost Highway tour, Joey sometimes pops up. I don't think we've seen the last of Story of My life. Jon needs to switch it up and bringing back Working Man after not doing it is exactly what you're talking about. The debate is no longer about why can't he bring back previous album cuts, it's why cant he bring ones you like.

Again it boils down to the region the audience is from. North American audiences are not like that. If they don't know it it's a bathroom break, it's a drink break, it's a sitdown song. Working Man is back because the USA is divided. If Jon sang some songs from TD every night would the audience be familiar with it? The casual fan ain't going to more than one show per tour so you're banking on someone hearing it, coming back next tour and hearing it again and then a third time a few tours later. I don't get the logic of training audiences like that, but I've heard a few people talk about it here.

bjcrazycpa 02-13-2017 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1218066)
I know. It's only a rethorical question lol



I'm hoping today there'll be a major shake up.


And for the record, I'm with y'all! I would much rather any song from TC. But, my best friend, is the one fan out there that loves both Work and Born To Follow. Go figure lol!


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symbeline 02-13-2017 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1218072)
Yes. From the top of my head these have been the plays of TAALS after 1996:
Randers 2008
San Sebastian 2011
Lisbon 2011
Cologne 2013
Prague 2013
Milan 2013
Last time I checked those cities where still in Europe not the USA ;)

I haven't find any TAALS in any American leg since TD so probably true what setlist.fm says. How can that be? How can a single not be played ever again?

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1218073)
Most underplayed Bon Jovi song ever based on my imaginary PlayCount/Popularity ratio.

Offtopic, which songs would even come close? On top of my head:

In & Out Of Love (never played since 80s; featured in Cross Roads, so perhaps slightly popular, but substantially less so)
I Believe (perhaps slightly more popular in US, although not in Europe, and played slightly more)
Thank You For Loving Me (very popular in Spotify, YouTube etc., yet barely played after 2000)
Everyday (decent hit in Europe, dropped forever since 2006, even deep cuts from the same album get more spotlight)

I'd still say TAALS beats them all. Although 10 years ago it would be Always by a landslide given how popular it is.
TAALS, no doubt. Original Always was played in 2001 and 2003 (I think) and then they switched to the TLFR one until 2008 but it was never really forgotten for too long. Everyday is a strange one because it gets buried among all the other similar singles and Undivided was far more popular so I don't know if it would qualify. Undivided gets my vote. Oh and Misundestood and Say It Isn't So too, were singles, were more or less well received. I'd vote for I Believe too.

Thank You For Loving Me is popular? Like worldwide or in a particular country? I've never heard anyone like or talk about that song, that's surprising

symbeline 02-13-2017 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1218080)
Again it boils down to the region the audience is from. North American audiences are not like that. If they don't know it it's a bathroom break, it's a drink break, it's a sitdown song. Working Man is back because the USA is divided.
Fair enough. That makes a lot of sense

Walleris 02-13-2017 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1218082)

Thank You For Loving Me is popular? Like worldwide or in a particular country? I've never heard anyone like or talk about that song, that's surprising
It has 6 M+ hits on Spotify - more than KTF and TAALS, despite not being featured in any of the compilations. Quite a few views on YouTube as well, despite the fact that the original music video is not uploaded on the band's VEVO channel!

The popularity of this song is weird. It was the primary ballad on one of their most popular albums. The chart positions weren't great (I imagine because it was pretty outdated at the time), but at the time they were still coming out of 90s as primarily a 'ballad band'. So while non-Bon Jovi people probably don't know the song it's fair to assume it's popular among casuals, even though it's never been treated by the band as such, based on setlists inclusions, GH snub and MV not even officially uploaded on YouTube.

bonjovi90 02-13-2017 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1218082)
Last time I checked those cities where still in Europe not the USA ;)

I haven't find any TAALS in any American leg since TD so probably true what setlist.fm says. How can that be? How can a single not be played ever again?
That's why I started the answer with a 'yes' - saying that your assumption about it not having been played again in the US is correct. The only appearances of the song after the 1995/96 were in Europe.

DryCounty 02-13-2017 01:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1218073)
Most underplayed Bon Jovi song ever based on my imaginary PlayCount/Popularity ratio.

Offtopic, which songs would even come close? On top of my head:

Everyday (decent hit in Europe, dropped forever since 2006, even deep cuts from the same album get more spotlight)
I will never get how Everyday just could die completely (except for the one show) after 2006. It was a single, a top 40-hit, fairly easy on the vocals for Jon and most importanly a rocker. I would love to see it back in the set list.

I have always believed that Jons disappointment in that Everyday never could hold a candle to It's My Life's sucess, especially as the band raved about being certain it was going to be a hit in 2002, is a major factor in that he simply just want to forget the whole Bounce era. Not even Jon can be that delusional that he sees WLOL, Working Man, Born To Follow, Captain Crash etc. as better live picks.

Kathleen 02-13-2017 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1218086)
That's why I started the answer with a 'yes' - saying that your assumption about it not having been played again in the US is correct. The only appearances of the song after the 1995/96 were in Europe.
Which is why those of us from the US that wanted to hear many of the These Days songs traveled to Europe in 2011. And boy did we get lucky. Considering what happened during the next tour I will be forever grateful that we did that trip at that time.

DryCounty 02-13-2017 01:31 AM
Thinking about Kathleens post about having to go to Europe to hear some of the good and rare stuff made me think about, are they any other band that are this extreme when it comes to delivering dull set list's in America and then starting to play far greater shows (set list wise) as soon as they land in Europe?

Falco 02-13-2017 01:40 AM
In & Out Of Love...what IS the deal with that song? Why hasn't it been played since the 80s? Is there a bad memory associated with it? If I recall a few years ago Richie started playing the opening riff to it and Jon gave him a look and said "hell no".

I would like to meet Jon in a casual setting one day and seriously drill him on why he doesn't play certain songs anymore. TAALS, In And Out Of Love...to songs that were popular in the early 2000s, like One Wild Night, Everyday, Bounce, TYFLM....what is his reasoning?

symbeline 02-13-2017 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1218086)
That's why I started the answer with a 'yes' - saying that your assumption about it not having been played again in the US is correct. The only appearances of the song after the 1995/96 were in Europe.
Oops I didn't see it, my apologies

I'm definitely not staying late to watch this, I need some sleep [emoji53] . I can't even read right

Enjoy the show!

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Captmorgs 02-13-2017 02:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Falco (Post 1218090)
In & Out Of Love...what IS the deal with that song? Why hasn't it been played since the 80s? Is there a bad memory associated with it? If I recall a few years ago Richie started playing the opening riff to it and Jon gave him a look and said "hell no".



I would like to meet Jon in a casual setting one day and seriously drill him on why he doesn't play certain songs anymore. TAALS, In And Out Of Love...to songs that were popular in the early 2000s, like One Wild Night, Everyday, Bounce, TYFLM....what is his reasoning?


On the Bon Jovi channel on Sirius XM, there's a clip where JBJ says of 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit: "There are some true blue, diehard fans that like the record, but I don't really care for it."


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Falco 02-13-2017 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1218092)
On the Bon Jovi channel on Sirius XM, there's a clip where JBJ says of 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit: "There are some true blue, diehard fans that like the record, but I don't really care for it."


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Ah makes sense then. Greetings fellow Wisconsinite, hopefully they bring the tour to the Badger State!

Kathleen 02-13-2017 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218089)
Thinking about Kathleens post about having to go to Europe to hear some of the good and rare stuff made me think about, are they any other band that are this extreme when it comes to delivering dull set list's in America and then starting to play far greater shows (set list wise) as soon as they land in Europe?
I can state with certainty that Bruce Springsteen does not do this. I would say that we in New Jersey probably get the best shows ever, perhaps followed by Sweden. I have heard every rarity that I ever wanted to here in NJ without traveling anywhere.

I'm a Guster fan - and they treat us well here too. Southside Johnny does his best shows in New Jersey. I think Jon wants to be everything to everybody - and you can't please all the people all the time.

Manbou 02-13-2017 02:58 AM
It should be showtime in About half an hour.

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DryCounty 02-13-2017 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1218095)
I can state with certainty that Bruce Springsteen does not do this. I would say that we in New Jersey probably get the best shows ever, perhaps followed by Sweden. I have heard every rarity that I ever wanted to here in NJ without traveling anywhere.

I'm a Guster fan - and they treat us well here too. Southside Johnny does his best shows in New Jersey. I think Jon wants to be everything to everybody - and you can't please all the people all the time.
I'm nothing more than a casual fan when it comes to Springsteen, have seen him once in Gothenburg a few years ago which was a great show, but I had no idea that the Sweden shows was regarded that highly among Springsteen fans.

Kathleen 02-13-2017 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218097)
I'm nothing more than a casual fan when it comes to Springsteen, have seen him once in Gothenburg a few years ago which was a great show, but I had no idea that the Sweden shows was regarded that highly among Springsteen fans.
A Swedish friend, that used to post on this board, told me that in Sweden, Bruce is God. LOL. I had no reason not to believe him, but after that I checked the setlists a bit more carefully and I think he was right :D

ticooooooooooo 02-13-2017 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1218095)
I can state with certainty that Bruce Springsteen does not do this. I would say that we in New Jersey probably get the best shows ever, perhaps followed by Sweden. I have heard every rarity that I ever wanted to here in NJ without traveling anywhere.

I'm a Guster fan - and they treat us well here too. Southside Johnny does his best shows in New Jersey. I think Jon wants to be everything to everybody - and you can't please all the people all the time.
As a Bruce fan myself, I would have to respectfully disagree. It's generally considered that he starts off relatively slowly, hits his stride in Europe before ending on a real high in the US, but it's rare that a NJ is considered among Bruce fans as the best of a tour. Like for Magic it was St Louis, WOAD it was MSG, Wrecking Ball may well have been Paris #2 which would be the exception to the rule, River 2.0 was either Philly #1 in September or the show in Pittsburgh in September.

ticooooooooooo 02-13-2017 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1218098)
A Swedish friend, that used to post on this board, told me that in Sweden, Bruce is God. LOL. I had no reason not to believe him, but after that I checked the setlists a bit more carefully and I think he was right :D
Yes absolutely true. Would love to see him in Sweden. Tbh anywhere in Scandinavia. He's massive there.

Kathleen 02-13-2017 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ticooooooooooo (Post 1218099)
As a Bruce fan myself, I would have to respectfully disagree. It's generally considered that he starts off relatively slowly, hits his stride in Europe before ending on a real high in the US, but it's rare that a NJ is considered among Bruce fans as the best of a tour. Like for Magic it was St Louis, WOAD it was MSG, Wrecking Ball may well have been Paris #2 which would be the exception to the rule, River 2.0 was either Philly #1 in September or the show in Pittsburgh in September.
Well I am basing my comment on the rarities that people want. If you read Greasy Lake, everyone wants to hear Incident and many people have only heard it once - some never. Here in Jersey (and I do include MSG in New York) I have heard that at least 5 or 6 times in the last 15 years. A particular show like the overall Magic show - you are probably correct.

Savvi 02-13-2017 03:33 AM
They're on!

01. This House is Not for Sale

DryCounty 02-13-2017 03:33 AM
Robert Salgado streams it on Facebook

1. THINFS
2. Knockout

24Roses 02-13-2017 03:33 AM
Have Bon Jovi gone on yet?

Savvi 02-13-2017 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 24Roses (Post 1218104)
Have Bon Jovi gone on yet?
Live stream https://www.facebook.com/francy.bern...5939154549498/

Whoop, he's ended it.

DryCounty 02-13-2017 03:38 AM
1. THINFS
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name

Knockout actually sounds pretty good live. I like that they open with two new uptempo songs.

Edit: Have you guys found the stream I'm talking about? I don't know how to share a facebook stream.

Kathleen 02-13-2017 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218103)
Robert Salgado streams it on Facebook

1. THINFS
2. Knockout
This one is still up :)

ticooooooooooo 02-13-2017 03:41 AM
Will Bad Name/BTBMB ever be separated?!

Savvi 02-13-2017 03:42 AM
Cheers 24roses

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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218106)
1. THINFS
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name

Knockout actually sounds pretty good live. I like that they open with two new uptempo songs.

Edit: Have you guys found the stream I'm talking about? I don't know how to share a facebook stream.
You right click the video and click "show video URL", then you can copy and paste that :)

DryCounty 02-13-2017 03:42 AM
1. THINFS
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby

For me it's just lazy that Jon doen't leave his mic stand for four songs. I mean come on...

Kathleen 02-13-2017 03:43 AM
1. THINFS
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name
4. Born to be My Baby

OK you got this - thanks

Manbou 02-13-2017 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218106)
Edit: Have you guys found the stream I'm talking about? I don't know how to share a facebook stream.
This is his current stream: https://www.facebook.com/robertosalg...1873745703668/

The connection is quite shakey, but you can make out the songs and the sound itself isn't bad.

24Roses 02-13-2017 03:44 AM
https://www.facebook.com/robertosalgado

Savvi 02-13-2017 03:45 AM
Please please please not WWBTF next. I'd prefer WLOL.

DryCounty 02-13-2017 03:46 AM
Is it just my streams that has constant lag ?

DryCounty 02-13-2017 03:48 AM
1. THINFS
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. We Weren't Born To Follow

Kathleen 02-13-2017 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218116)
Is it just my streams that has constant lag ?
Mine is buffering a bunch - but it isn't too bad. It has actually improved some.

Savvi 02-13-2017 03:50 AM
Aaaaaaand this is where the show dies in the ass for a bit. Gotta put IML sooner in the set.

Agreed Kathleen, the stream has improved now.


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