First of all, can I just say that I appreciate your comment, at least you read my post with an open mind, I thank you. Secondly, I understand what you said that Jon has an obligation to put out the best show he can, and is also aware that fans pay alot of money for tickets, he knows that. I think he does the best that he can, at the same time, he realizes that, after touring for more than 30 years, that he can't please every fan in the world. I think back in the 80's, 90's and even the 00's, he worked very hard to put out the best show he could, and put a setlist that would make every fan happy, or at least he tried. But I think over the years, thanks to social media, he now maybe sees complaints from fans about setlists and maybe how his voice is not the same as it was in the past, and maybe before he may have paid attention to fans in social media, maybe a little too much, but I think now Jon is at a point in his career where he is at peace, and all he can do is the best that he can on stage, give the best performace he can, and if some fans don't like or not satisfied, then he can't force them to like it, it is what it is. I guess maybe I not as pickey as some ppl here, when I go to a Bon Jovi show, I just want to enjoy the music and have fun, and see the band have fun to, that to me is more entertaining than how well is Jon's voice, or what the setlist is.

Only thing I could see him (and myself now) trying to debate is: what songs can he sing that are easy on his voice AND can actually entertain the crowd?


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And you have every right to feel that way. I truly want him to be happy and healthy up there but he's short changing a lot of fans by constantly playing the same songs over and over. By no means was Lost Highway a hit. By no means was We Got it Going on a hit. The second one I sort of get, it's designed to get fans up and it's energetic but there's plenty of songs like that that can take it's place. No setlist would make every fan happy but recycling through the same one won't either.

Very good point.. He's probably doing everything he can to get through these shows and doesn't need social media telling him to change things. His voice capabilities are what determine the setlist every night. If he still had the pipes I'm sure the set list would impress everyone on this board. I feel really bad for Jon, I just hope he finds a way to make this tour work(I know he will). As I said earlier, his vocal trouble doesn't bother me, I still enjoy the show. However the voice trouble and lack of confidence in himself will determine the set list every night, THAT is the unfortunate part.

Here is a review of tonights show from a Tampa Bay newspaper, https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=...keX-yoR9xRHq1A

Pretty good review, cool to hear that Jon got an audience member on the stage.

Still trying to decide if it's worth even buying the soundboard for a show that has virtually the same set list as the others.

Not sure if this has already been posted, but here is a 1hr40min live stream of the show.

https://www.facebook.com/giovanni.fo...c_ref=NEWSFEED

Feb 14, 2017 - USA - Tampa - Amalie Arena
 

How I've missed people complaining about a set list from a show they were never at...and how dare they not mix it up after 3 shows.

3 shows!!! It's a disgrace.

That was indeed a good tour. I can find only three positive facts about these setlists: Lay your hands on me, Blood on blood and dropping off What about now.

This has to be some epic trolling :(

I can totally see things from a casual fan's perspective which is why I'm even more puzzled with the setlist. The people who are complaining in Twitter (which reaches Jon better than this board, unless he's reading us and cackling like a maniac and twirling his moustache) are casuals and don't appreciate so many slow songs and so many THINFS songs together. And yet they get the same setlist they've been complaining of since night 1

Bon Jovi's not dead. But it's definitely in a coma.

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Yes and No. The only reason I see for this static setlist is that Jon can't get better or it's taking more time than he expected to reach a level where he can add more difficult songs. Nobody is complaining because he's not singing Always, it's just that this specific setlist is not working even for casuals.

There are many (casual) fan favorites he could sing and still save his voice and make people more open to so many THINFS songs. Unless they are in a very tight budget and for some reason the logistics of changing the setlist every night are too complicated, I don't see why he's not listening to the fans.

And as everybody here has pointed out, Valentine's day had a tradition of romantic songs. Would it kill him to end the show with a ballad?

No valentine's song it' a Shame.
I don't care about this love day but i think that it's not a good sign for a jovi concert..
And it's incredible that jon's voice is getting worse night after night

We, as fans, whether we went to the show or not, have every right to complain about set lists. This was an opportunity for Jon to play songs that are slightly different because it was Valentines Day but instead he played the same show except for one or two songs that have been switched around.

'Superman Tonight' acoustic is an absolute breeze on the vocals, he could have done that. I'll Be There For You etc... why not play one? I'm not a huge fan of slow ballads live anyway but of all days, I'd expect something.

Yeah, it is only three or four shows in but some people have been to two out of 4 already but have seen EXACTLY the same show.

I went to watch a play last week and I loved it that much, I went to see it again. You know what? It was better the second time around because they add some improvisation and stuff into it. How hard is it for a band of 30+ years to mix it up?

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This is a Jovi tour in the states... the same set list every night isnt a new thing its been like this for years

Sorry, I don't agree. If it wasn't for the internet you'd never known what was played each night.

The one thing I'll say is - why not change the set if your selling the show to buy after ?? So far if you buy one you don't need to buy the others.

I think there's been a slight overreacting by some over the sets not changing after only 3 shows. If it's the same 10 down the line then that's a worry.

So? This the time we live in now. We do know what has been played which is why I said we have the right to complain.

I say this every time.. if I was there, I'd enjoy it. If I got this show twice which some people have, then I'd be fuming.

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excatly my point...You me and 99% of this forum werent there so dont worry about it!

Setlists will be different in Europe and UK anyway so we're fine :D

Regarding the set list... one, give the guys a few shows to work it out and get comfortable... Sure they are selling them but let them master what they got first... Jon's got a whole new band up there and it's not as natural for them just yet... Practicing 100 songs doesn't give Jon the freedom to randomly start pulling out different tracks... they are still a professional band up there and Jon doesn't like mistakes... They should get at least 3 - 4 - 5 shows to workout what they got... Come on or people, be realists....

Second, it'll be around 12 bucks a show... Right now they have this bracelet thing going on which I still don't get its total purpose but I'm assuming it's for the people who attended the shows, a chance to get a copy of it instantly... which if that's the case, they don't give a shit about the other shows, just the one they attended...

I'm sure by the time they start selling these on line, we'll see some changes...

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No they aren't... Because they didn't play My Funny Valentine??? The reviews have been great and the people in attendance are raving... Go to a show, then come here and post an honest review...

Until then, it's just people complaining to complain... 4 shows in and I see nothing wrong...

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Oh man I was there that night. Earlier in that set I finally got to hear the one song I've been wanting to hear for years - I Believe. Was the best show I've been to.

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Look at that. Someone says they thought the set was good.
Someone on here gonna contact her and tell her she's wrong? [emoji3]

With Rdkopper on this. We're four shows into the tour with the potential for European and Asian dates to come! In my experience the first batch of American shows have always had a fairly routine set list. Jon even stated the reasons in the last Q&A. I'd expect when their in the middle of this leg of the tour, they'll drip feed a couple of others into the set.

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Static set on a US tour is nothing new. However, no ballads on Valentine's day is quite a discouraging sign, except for Scars, which is not really a love song.

I understand not doing Always every night, but BOR and IBTFY are both substantially easier, not to mention Memory or even Real Love.

I remember the first few shows on the WAN tour being VERY critisized for the same reasons. This leg at least, will probably offer very little in the variety department....

Roller Coaster from the back (actually a pretty cool view) IML (side view) Scars BOB Sat Night (last part) Wanted Prayer

I'd be great to have a link to the show and/or the best videos for each song next to the setlist once we have all the info

I volunteer to gather the links if the OP can't do it, no problem :D

Setlist
 

Not commenting on the not-changing of the setlist night after night, here's my take on why each song is in the set and Jon probably thinks they should be:

1. This House Is Not For Sale - obvious, title track of the new album, name of the tour, and works as an opener
2. Knockout - new album track, no question here
3. You Give Love A Bad Name - hit, has to be played, especially for casuals
4. Born To Be My Baby - classic, was a single (?)
5. We Weren't Born To Follow - was a single, Jon likes it, besides being played every tour, Jon probably thinks it fits because of the US election
6. Lost Highway - Jon stated at the time that he thinks it's the best song he's ever written, so he just likes that one
7. Roller Coaster - new album track, and a great one at that, too
8. Work For The Working Man - again, most definitely influenced by the election. I get it and am one of the few who don't dislike the song
9. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead - classic, single, hit (?)
10. We Got It Goin' On - fun song, works live, gets the crowd going
11. Who Says You Can't Go Home - massive (?) hit in the US
12. It's My Life - monster hit
13. We Don't Run - new album (bonus)/BB track, rocker, no questions here
14. God Bless This Mess - new album track, and probably Jon's new anthem
15. Scars on This Guitar - Jon just likes that one, and one slow song in the set is more than fine
16. The Devil's in the Temple - new album track, Jon's statement on the music business, rocker, deserves to be there
17. Lay Your Hands On Me - classic
18. Blood on Blood - classic
19. Have a Nice Day - hit (?), always good to hear
20. Bad Medicine - classic, hit (?)
21. Keep the Faith - class, hit (?)
22. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night - classic
23. Wanted Dead or Alive - classic, hit
24. Prayer - classic, hit

So, I think the only ones being disputed are songs 5, 6 and 8 and probably the order in which they're played. I think it's a pretty good setlist. I don't even see dull parts/piss breaks, as they tend to be called on here. Vanilla? Maybe, but I wouldn't even go that far because of the return of LYHOM and Saturday Night electric, but definitely fun.

Would I be disappointed to get the exact same setlist on multiple shows? Probably, at least a bit. But it's been like that forever, even in Europe (ok, maybe there were 3-4 changes, but that's about it). Would still've had a great time! :-)

The only real new guy is J. Shanks (I don't count Everett because to me he adds nothing music-wise but vocal-wise and that's no problem with all those teleprompters).
And as professionals practicing 100 songs for over a week gives Jon the freedom to randomly start pulling out different tracks.
Remember the last tour? They only had the chance to rehearse with Phil during soundcheck or time-off between shows and they were able to mix it up. With all that time of praciticing before this tour now there should be no problem at all.
I already said it in another thread before: The static setlist is not a matter of the band but a matter of Jon. And only he knows why he keeps it that way.

But I also hear the other user, it's show number 4 and the US leg. Those static sets are nothing new.

Again, we're not complaining about the songs not changing from show to show. Okay, some are, but the bigger point is tour to tour. People don't want to go back out if they'll get the same songs plus the new ones.

My main gripe is not the static setlist. This is the norm for the first few shows. It's the flow of the first half. I fear that Jon will drop the THINFS songs to make room for more hits instead of that dreadful section with BTBMB, LH, Follow and Working Men. Casuals want hits! Lets keep Follow! One of the biggest hits ever! If he's going by the Greatest Hits, both the hits CD and the "fan favorites", at least swap Runaway for Follow, or Working Men for WWWB every other show. It's not a bad setlist stucture, but there are too many weak songs together.

Put different covers every night in Sleep or Medicine. Make longer instrumental breaks so Jon can wave that silly flashlight until his arms hurt. Let the band sing a verse... Small changes that don't need lots of work but make the shows feel fresh and changing

The second half is excellent. HAND, LYOHM, BOB and Sat Night electric work really well with the new songs and Jon seems much more engaged. The encore is uninspired but it could be ten times worst (*cough*ILTT*cough*)

We are complaining because we have seen what this band could do in the past (not only the 80's and 90's, but 6-7 years ago). The casual fan still likes the show, because he/she goes to one or two concerts per tour and they don't have as much knowledge about the band as we diehards do. Bon Jovi was such a monster on stage that even with the recent steep decline they still put on a good show for the casual fan.

IMO, the "don't compare tours" argument is bullocks. You build a legacy during your carrer, don't expect people to put all that behind and just accept what it is now.

I went to a lot of shows in the Lost Highway and The Circle/Greatest Hits tours and I went completely nuts to a point that all I could talk about a month was how incredible the shows were. I attended some of the WAN shows and my feeling was - "ok, that was nice, let's have some beer now".

So yes, we are complaining because those magic moments that happened at BJ shows that made a lot of us take trips to other countries just to see them don't happen anymore for us die hards. If you still think that the shows are great and you enjoy seeing them nowadays, I feel happy for you and I respect your feeling. Just go to the shows, have fun, and stop with the "stop bitching" argument.

Agreed with the above. I love the new album but know by the time the tour gets to me it will become 4ish new songs and the same filler tracks and hits. To me that's not as worth it. I'm allowed to feel this way and it doesn't make me a whiner.

Perfectly stated!

Is it? Look, I agree that there are some duds that could/should be replaced with better choices and as a community, set list are fun to discuss...

However, my only issue is with people complaining about the set-lists being the same when they are not at the shows to begin with...

And yes, even with one new member and shifting responsibilities, a few vanilla set-list should be expected at the start of the tour... Jon, Richie, and the band had 30 plus years of chemistry... These guys are all getting adjusted to each other. Jon is a perfectionist and is not going to risk mistakes to make people on JoviTalk happy... When he feels the band is ready for the next step, I'm sure he'll take it...

He is not ignorant to the fact that people will be buying these sets, hence the reason for rehearsing 100 songs...

That's true, time will tell and songs can filter in and out but it doesn't change the fact that it's been the same album cuts tour to tour to tour.

They tried something new in Sunrise and it ended up with a big mistake:

https://youtu.be/A_mjP2HvCbE?t=59s

My main issue is not just about the static setlists, but with the overall performance of the band. As I said ... they still put on a good shows for the casuals, but for the majority of the diehards they don't. And it's not about watching it on youtube: I was there in 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2013. You might ask: How can you complain about the 2017 set if you didn't watch one gig ? Simple ... because it's clear that Jon is glued to the mic stand, his voice is gone (and that means that most of the GOOD rarities won't be played) and most of all:

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Knockout
3. You Give Love A Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. We Weren't Born To Follow
6. Lost Highway
7. Roller Coaster
8. Work For The Working Man
9. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
10. We Got It Goin' On
11. Who Says You Can't Go Home
12. It's My Life
13. We Don't Run
14. God Bless This Mess
15. Scars on This Guitar
16. The Devil's in the Temple
17. Lay Your Hands On Me
18. Blood on Blood
19. Have a Nice Day
20. Bad Medicine
21. Keep the Faith
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22. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
23. Wanted Dead or Alive
24. Prayer

I have seen these songs played to death a hundred times. It's just not fun anymore. So for me and for a lot of diehards, an excelent performance of Lost Highway, Born to Follow and Who Says still is boring, because the songs are boring.

As for the setlists ... They can easily shake things up. Phil was able to learn songs in between shows in 2011 and 2013, and Shanks has been with the guys for 12 years now.

My main issue is not just about the static setlists, but with the overall performance of the band. As I said ... they still put on a good show for the casuals, but for the majority of the diehards they don't. And it's not about watching it on youtube: I was there in 2008, 2010, 2011 and 2013. You might ask: How can you complain about the 2017 set if you didn't watch one gig ? Simple ... because it's clear that Jon is glued to the mic stand, his voice is gone (and that means that most of the GOOD rarities won't be played) and most of all:

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Knockout
3. You Give Love A Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. We Weren't Born To Follow
6. Lost Highway
7. Roller Coaster
8. Work For The Working Man
9. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
10. We Got It Goin' On
11. Who Says You Can't Go Home
12. It's My Life
13. We Don't Run
14. God Bless This Mess
15. Scars on This Guitar
16. The Devil's in the Temple
17. Lay Your Hands On Me
18. Blood on Blood
19. Have a Nice Day
20. Bad Medicine
21. Keep the Faith
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22. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
23. Wanted Dead or Alive
24. Prayer

I have seen these songs played to death a hundred times. It's just not fun anymore. So for me and for a lot of diehards, an excelent performance of Lost Highway, Born to Follow and Who Says is still boring, because the songs are boring.

As for the setlists ... They can easily shake things up. Phil was able to learn songs in between shows in 2011 and 2013, and Shanks has been with the guys for 12 years now.