That's one sad looking set list.

Wow, that's a new low. BTBMB is cringeworthy. It's so slow and lacking of energy ...

Clearly y'all don't remember the 2011 North American leg with Phil X right before the amazing Europe shows in the summer. Those sets were just as static (see link below). These are typical NA sets and I don't know why y'all get so frustrated if they play the same sets like almost all bands do. Sure I'd love to see them mix it up, but frankly if you're not at the concert it doesn't affect you whatsoever. Jon is not entitled to play your dream set at every show, he can play what he wants and the arenas will still be sold out to the rafters regardless. You all bitch and moan over everything, either the set list is bad or his voice is bad or the recording cleans up his voice too much so it sounds fake. No matter what they do, y'all always have to complain. Just enjoy the concert if you go. I had a blast in Greenville this year and I plan on doing the same in Phoenix in 2 weeks. Not many bands anymore do a 2 and a half hour show.

http://www.setlist.fm/search?page=3&...jovi&year=2011

But you're coming to a board with a handful of posts telling people that have been discussing the band for 15 years on here to change how they are. It absolutely affects me if the setlist doesn't change tour to tour because tickets are expensive and if I'm getting the same songs and the new ones that is going to determine if I'm paying to go. Sure the tickets will sell good if I'm there or not but that shouldn't take away our right to have a problem with a stale setlist being reused.

We're not taking away the fun people have at the shows nor are we criticizing for people going for the sheer joy of going. I wish I was able to plunk down that money but once you see a band 20+ times you start wanting something different and we're in the absolute minority.

I think that this is One of the worst btbmb of the history

It's disheartening when you go to a show, have an amazing time, and then read nothing but complaining from people who were not even there.

I was there. I had a great time. The people around me were dancing and singing. I saw everyone from little kids to older people. Everyone walking out of the arena was singing Wanted and Prayer. No one THERE was bitching.

I personally liked the set and was far more disappointed to hear BTBMB again than Whole Lot of Leaving. But the majority of the crowd wants the big hits and I think it was pretty well balanced to please the casual fan and indulge a super fan like me who wants new album tracks and a few album tracks. Would I have personally switched out a song or two, sure. But I left HAPPY. Just as I have every other Bon Jovi concert I have ever attended.

BTW, the changes I would have made would be
What's Left of Me for Working Man.... same message, better song
Always for BTBMB.... bigger hit, better song, not as over played

Amen!!!

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How did Jon's voice come across being there live?

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In good shape. You can tell he's really put work into getting back in shape to sing steady and well for a set. He was a bit winded on Bad Medicine. I've never been a big fan of BTBMB live, so it was just kind of "meh" to me, but it was in 15 years ago too. No, he doesn't sound like he did on the These Days tour, but he sounds good. I certainly won't be cringing when my BFF takes her youngest daughter to see him in a month. He can handle it. I appreciate that he knows he had work to do and he made the effort. He delivered a solid performance from my perspective and my friends agreed.

Good to hear you had a good time !!

February 16, 2017 BJCC Arena Birmingham, Alabama
 

I reckon I've said the above in every show thread at least 3 times!!

That's the important thing. I'm glad you enjoyed the show, Becky. :)

Firstly, I'm glad you had a good time and I agree 100000% on What's Left of Me. One of his most underrated song. Love it.

Secondly, I think the problem- certainly for me- isn't that the show isn't good, it's just if you're planning on seeing multiple shows, then you're entitled to be upset. 3 shows within a reasonable radius in Atlanta and two in Florida- it's entirely plausable that there will be fans who would have done all three shows, and seen one different song and two identical setlists. Now will the show still be good? Yes. But it would be why pay the money plus travel, accommodation etc when there is little/no incentive in terms of variation, especially when he said he rehearsed 95 songs to 'keep it fresh'. Even if it was That's What the Water Made Me and What's Left of Me for WFTWM and WGIGO- even if it's changes for changes sake- just throw the multiple show goers a bone. That's the issue, not that the show isn't good. I'm going to LA in a couple of weeks and, while I'm there, I'm seeing Bon Jovi and will love it and am looking forward to it. But I wouldn't build a trip around it, nor would I go and see the one in San Diego days earlier, because it's not worth it to me. Bruce Springsteen, I generally see 5 times a tour, because of his setlist variation, plus I just think he's better overall tbh. I think there should be as few guarantees as possible when going to see a concert, and there are so many with Bon Jovi including the order that baring in mind the depth of his catalogue, he should be utilising more changes.

This is unaceptable.
Listen to btbmb and prayer, jon's voice is ridicolous.
Do you think that jon is in a good shape?
Ok, but you are clearly unreliable

Your expectations are obviously still high.

There are still many people, myself included, who are used to the state of Jon's voice and are happy with it.

Don't decide for others that it is 'unacceptable' or that they are 'clearly unreliable' for liking something which you don't.

What an incredibly rude post. Who are you to say how Becky should feel? If people have fun, friggin' let them.

I personally didn't see much wrong with the performance... Jon dodged some of the high notes, but he still sounded alright. However, I don't quite get why, nor do I like that they slowed it down

It's no use relying on other people's opinions if you haven't experienced the thing yourself. I've read ecstatic reviews with folks claiming that Jon's voice is back and he's in better shape than ever. God, I was listening to it on a good stereo system and cringing at the same time. It's bad! I know, expectations are maybe too high, as I got used to some pretty high standards, but there are musicians even older than Jon or Richie and they somehow managed to sound decent even today. The rock'n'roll style took its toll so they can blame only themselves for being reckless with their primary work tool overusing it or abusing with cigs and God knows what stuff. I DO enjoy BJ music and will be listening to their vast catalogue many years to come but the live thing isn't what I'm dying to experience. Too bad because BJ were stage animals back in the day and I'd give a lot to be able to attend their concert then... As I've already pointed out, I'm terribly late with good things but thank God for youtube and fan communities <3

Of course a you tube video taken with a phone with some variable parameter of quality is much more reliable than the real thing standing 40 feet in front of me. Your welcome to your opinion of a video, but don't assume I can't appraise the real deal in real time and real space.

Ok. I have seen many jovi's concert.
Do you know which concerts i judge worst?
The ones i ve been to.
Now we can buy their concert. Only few days..
BTW this video is clear enough
Bon Jovi - Born To Be My Baby @ BJCC, Birmingham, AL 02.16.2017 - YouTube

It's incredible rude but you haven't read It.
I don't talking about she feels.
I am talking about her judjements.
Jon isn't in a good shape. Jon is ill.

I agree.....

How she felt about the show IS her judgement. She's judging the show from being there and the experience she had. She had a good time, why are you taking that away from her by saying her opinion (keyword opinion. Not fact) is unreliable?

An opinion of my opinion is irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that I was there and I liked what I heard. So I'm happy to be going to another show next month. My only problem is I'm not an independently wealthy women who could go to more shows!!!

What show are you going to next Becky?


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It's obvious that most of you are internet fans... The fans that steal music and just watch concerts on YouTube... if that's your thing, cool...

However for those of you who actually attend live concerts, there is a certain magic that happens that can only be experienced being there live in person with decent seats... not the best but you can't sit-in the last row either...

When I saw GnR this past summer, I was sure as shit that Axl sounded exactly like the album... I mean every song was spot on... when I got home and watch the show on YouTube, I couldn't believe it was from the same show...

It's like watching a sports play in real time and then seeing it a second time in slow motion... not as captivating... or taking the professionally done make-up off a celebrity and wondering why she's not as pretty...

Call it an illusion, I call it magic but the voice we hear on YouTube is not good enough to fool 30 thousand people every night along with all critics... no one is that good... When you watch vids on YouTube you are stripping it back... You're taking the makeup off the model... True me, I know it's not perfect but it's tolerable...




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Perfectly said, I felt the exact same way when I saw Billy Joel a couple of years ago. Said to my friends that he sounded just like on the albums, then was amazed how different it was listening to the youtube clips.

To be honest I can't recall anyone stating that the current Bon Jovi isn't enjoyable in person. Of course a live concert by this big standard are great. I always have a great time on concerts. C'mon, you are in a stadium/arena with thousands of other people with the same musical taste, having a few beers, dancing and singing and witnessing a show with visuals in top class. How can you not love that? Of course, there are better and worser shows, Bon Jovi in Horsens 2011 were only OK for me, but I still had a good time.

But this is a board for die hard fans, most people knows Bon Jovi better than any other band and have spent hundreds/thousands of hours watching and listening to BJ shows. How can it come as such a suprise that we watch and analyzes the shows? What's the meaning of having a PBP thread if it's only purpose is to praise every set list and every performance because the people whose there are enjoying it.
Of course people will react when Mr. Jon Bon Jovi is stuck behind his mic stand for almost the enitre show and actually sounding very poor on a lot of songs. It's not like we don't praise where praise is due. The Always clip from Greenville was highly regarded even though it doesn't sound that great. Of course we will react when we know that Bon Jovi has a catalog of songs to choose from that many bands would die for and still decides to play the same 24 songs each night.
I would love to be at one of the shows, I would have a great time but I'm not. I'm on the other side of the world and the best I can do is to the watch youtube videos and discuss them with you. And if the discussions are only meant to be a one way road, then I don't really see the point of a fan forum for die hards.

For me, it's just beating a topic to death... His vocal state absolutely deserves and mention or two... but it's just over the top for me now... We all know his pipes are gone and his technique is just odd... okay we said it... but do we need to keep saying it??? Becky had a good time at the show and I get why... for the very reasons you stated plus add in the acoustics, the overpowering instruments, etc... It's all good... I feel it's okay to beat up Jon for the negativity but it's not okay to defend the reality...

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This is my opinion, I think they are not doing so bad to be a beginning of tour, but the set list leaves much to be desired, they could easily change 4 or 5 songs by show using songs from their new album and making them rotate. It could also do the same with some classics such as runaway, in these arms, blaze of glory, ill be there for you or some more recent like make a memory.

At this point it is no longer worth the excuse that Phil can not learn the shenanigans, he is already fluent and has played a lot of the band's repertoire, and having a rare album (burnin bridges) with some great songs for the shows, i don't understand why Jon is content to play the same thing every night. We are not in 1995, we are in 2017, we have internet and youtube, if Jon and the boys want to surprise their American audience, just change some songs every night, is easy.

Speaking about the band, John Shanks is much better than Bobby, and Phil seems to be improving on his own, have a rather more solid sound and for the first in a long time I feel the guitars sound with a consistent volume. I will be patient and give the opportunity to see how it improves, since the real weakness of the show is the state of Jon's voice and its staging.

Pretty harsh and hurtful because the fans come and go, it's a constant flow! I can't see why the so called die-hard fans boast so much of being with the band almost from the beginning instead of being happy that the family is growing, not shrinking to the very same old faces. I joined the BJ community about two years ago when the band was obviously on a hiatus and the whole drama of Richie's leaving wasn't that much of a sore spot anymore. I AM catching up on everything, spending ridiculously a lot of time on reading/listening to/watching everything I could possibly do and trying to fit it this incredibly tight-knit fandom. It's not the first fandom I'm in and I can't lump all BJ fans together. I'm a bit disheartened at times, though, because I strongly believe that, unless somebody is trolling hard, we should embrace all individuals as they come, with their different opinions. Loving the band does not mean sugarcoating their every damn move, let alone igniting the fights among the community who is better at whatever. The band has succeeded in being together for 30+ years and this is longevity most fans can just dream of because as I've said, it's a constant flow!

What does this have to do with the tea in China?

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I quoted you my friend and answered your accusations directly, if you pardon my French.

See, now I was defending a fan who actually went to show, had a great time, gave her perspective, and was ridiculed because of it...

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Since when was it insulting? Good to know some fans still enjoy live concerts, there are many factors which contribute to overall enjoyment but it doesn't mean we can't disagree on this board for fear of being rude. I have no doubts the fandom won't die even if Jon's voice disappeared completely because you see, not everybody cares that much. Maybe we are too harsh on Jon, he's not 20-year-old anymore but hell, if you continue to perform with such limitations, you must be prepared for some form of criticism. Jon is fully aware of it, he voiced it loud and clear in GBTM lyrics. If I am NOT going to live BJ concert because it's not satisfying for me, doesn't it mean I'm less of a fan or my judgement is invalid? Let's agree on one thing: some people will take it as it is, others will criticise but we're all in the same place. I just hope the freedom of speech won't become political correctness, that's all.

I appreciate you and Matt and others doing so too. You get it. Being there is not the same as watching a video.

I saw Billy Joel last weekend and there were a couple of times that he was singing and the microphone was nowhere near his face. I don't mean the lag you see on the screen, I mean obvious incidents of vocals coming out of the speakers and they were not coming from him. I found out from a friend who is more informed on Billy Joel than me that he has an impersonator in his band who covers the notes he can't hit. So... no wonder he sounds so good for 67, right?

I think I'll take an honest Jon with his flaws who is making the effort and working to improve himself over leaving a show feeling like I've been duped.

P.S. I'm going to Memphis next month.

People can just the YouTube videos all they want but it's different when you say something about the show from actually being there and they are discrediting your option based on the YouTube video...

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But as you said yourselves, being in live concert is different because the bad vocals don't bother that much when the loud music is pumping up from the loudspeakers, people are a little dizzy from beer and excitement and there are a lot of visuals to keep you busy. Not all Youtube vids are bad quality and they are more revealing what the current status is plus a lot of actual concert goers confirmed it themselves.

It's nothing personal on any member of the board. I'm happy for those who can truly enjoy the live performance. I actually wish I did.

I'd worry more if the In concert experience is awful. That's what you look forward to, spend money on. If a YouTube clip is shit, it has no real impact on your day.


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The thing is ... no one is trying to tell you that you can't like Bon Jovi live anymore (except for that one rude guy a few posts ago). People are just saying that they think the show is not good enough for them anymore, and you refuse to accept their opinion. As I said earlier, if you like the current performances, good for you, I respect your opinion, have fun. But stop trying to became the new Seb and answer people like that just because they have a different opinion than yours. This is a discussion board about a band we all love, so there is no "there's no need to say this again" as you stated a few posts ago.

I feel happy for Becky that she had fun and enjoyed the show, but that doesn't mean I'm going to convince her that the band sucks nowadays. Take it easy and try to live in a world (or board) where people disagree on a lot of things.