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Captain_jovi 02-19-2017 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1218970)
Richie stopped smoking when he's father passed away in lung cancer. I don't know if he smoked much before that or even anything, but he was quite determined that he would never smoke after that.

Btw, is Jon still smoking?
There's promo photos from Crush era of Richie smoking but I have no idea how often or when/if he stopped. His voice definitely took a down turn too. Not as sharp though but for me 2004ish was when I noticed it.

Becky 02-19-2017 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DestinationJovi (Post 1218968)
Eveline, he doesn't.

He's an alcoholic and a drug addict, but he is not a smoker.
There are a lot of pictures of him through the years with cigarettes. He was certainly a smoker before, even if he has quit.

There's also a video of David smoking. I don't remember exactly what the source was. I do remember seeing it though and being floored.

Eveline 02-19-2017 06:00 PM
Nice. Putting so much attention to every detail, yet ruining your work tool. How responsible :rolleyes:

JackieBlue 02-19-2017 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1218947)
...there's no excuse for mainly standing still singing other parts. His age shouldn't be a huge factor. He's a fit 55...
I agree that age shouldn't be a factor, but I strongly disagree that Jon is fit. Regardless of age, someone who's "fit" wouldn't struggle with breathing like he appears to be doing. I mentioned before that I think there might be a pulmonary or respiratory issue involved. That could create a situation where he's forced to choose between using his breath to move around or using it to sing, because there doesn't seem to be enough for him to do both. It's just a guess, but that's what it looks like to me.

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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1218959)
Maybe if he hadn't smoked like a chimney for the last 20 years and had focused on protecting his most prized gift he would be in better shape.
I never had the impression that Jon "smoked like a chimney". Some of you who followed him more closely might have a better take on that, but it always seemed to me to be a casual habit.

Regardless, if it is a pulmonary condition, neither smoking nor misuse of his voice would necessarily have much to do with it. There are some things you simply can't avoid no matter how hard you try to stay in shape.

I know people who smoke like chimneys and they still sing like birds. I also have a friend who has never touched cigarettes, but she wears an oxygen mask 24/7 because she has COPD.

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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1218960)
As far as I know, Richie smokes too and yet, he can still sing.
IIRC, Richie quit smoking either shortly after his father's diagnosis of cancer or after his death. I'm not sure which was the catalyst; but I seem to remember reading something about it.

That aside, Richie and Jon are two different individuals, so what may affect one may have little or no affect on the other.


I will say this though, and it's just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. There's one thing Jon and Richie have in common. They both seem to have an abundant supply of critics who point out every little flaw they see in either of them, and who stand ready to offer suggestions about how they both should be living their lives.

It's not about critiquing their performances or set lists. That's totally different than assuming we know better than they do what their demons are and how they should deal with them.


I'm not trying to offend anyone or shut anybody down. I just think it's a risky proposition to sit in judgment of people, or their behavior, when all we have to go by is the limited information we receive through the internet or other secondary sources.

JMO

ticos_stick 02-19-2017 06:25 PM
Has Jon ever admitted to smoking a lot? I only ever saw him smoke in promo shots. Never in interviews or backstage footage. He's a sensible guy. I can't imagine that he smoked a excessively.

I think his voice problems stem from something else we don't know just yet.

Eveline 02-19-2017 06:30 PM
Good to know! This community seems to have a lot of knowledgeable boarders and it saves me a lot of time and effort to get into the very mysteries of the band :D Actually it's pretty rare to see the guys with a cig but then, I've also seen some pics/vids and read some comments suggesting it could be otherwise. Well ;)

Captain_jovi 02-19-2017 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1218978)

I will say this though, and it's just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. There's one thing Jon and Richie have in common. They both seem to have an abundant supply of critics who point out every little flaw they see in either of them, and who stand ready to offer suggestions about how they both should be living their lives.

It's not about critiquing their performances or set lists. That's totally different than assuming we know better than they do what their demons are and how they should deal with them.


I'm not trying to offend anyone or shut anybody down. I just think it's a risky proposition to sit in judgment of people, or their behavior, when all we have to go by is the limited information we receive through the internet or other secondary sources.

JMO
I don't think what you said was offensive in the slightest. It's dead on. We're trying to figure out how much someone smokes by looking at photos and thinking of interview mentions as if that determines anything. I agree it doesn't always comes down to cigarettes and there are lots of people that sing great even while smoking.

JackieBlue 02-19-2017 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1218980)
... Actually it's pretty rare to see the guys with a cig but then, I've also seen some pics/vids and read some comments suggesting it could be otherwise. Well ;)
They both smoked in the past. How much or for how long, I don't know. But according to reports, neither of them smoke at present. Richie apparently quit because of his dad and I remember Jon saying he quit so his insurance premiums wouldn't be so high.

Becky 02-19-2017 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1218978)
I agree that age shouldn't be a factor, but I strongly disagree that Jon is fit. Regardless of age, someone who's "fit" wouldn't struggle with breathing like he appears to be doing. I mentioned before that I think there might be a pulmonary or respiratory issue involved. That could create a situation where he's forced to choose between using his breath to move around or using it to sing, because there doesn't seem to be enough for him to do both. It's just a guess, but that's what it looks like to me.



I never had the impression that Jon "smoked like a chimney". Some of you who followed him more closely might have a better take on that, but it always seemed to me to be a casual habit.

Regardless, if it is a pulmonary condition, neither smoking nor misuse of his voice would necessarily have much to do with it. There are some things you simply can't avoid no matter how hard you try to stay in shape.

I know people who smoke like chimneys and they still sing like birds. I also have a friend who has never touched cigarettes, but she wears an oxygen mask 24/7 because she has COPD.



IIRC, Richie quit smoking either shortly after his father's diagnosis of cancer or after his death. I'm not sure which was the catalyst; but I seem to remember reading something about it.

That aside, Richie and Jon are two different individuals, so what may affect one may have little or no affect on the other.


I will say this though, and it's just a general observation, not directed at anyone in particular. There's one thing Jon and Richie have in common. They both seem to have an abundant supply of critics who point out every little flaw they see in either of them, and who stand ready to offer suggestions about how they both should be living their lives.

It's not about critiquing their performances or set lists. That's totally different than assuming we know better than they do what their demons are and how they should deal with them.


I'm not trying to offend anyone or shut anybody down. I just think it's a risky proposition to sit in judgment of people, or their behavior, when all we have to go by is the limited information we receive through the internet or other secondary sources.

JMO
Nothing that you said was the least bit offensive.

I've been of the opinion that if smoking was the biggest problem someone who lived a rock star or Hollywood lifestyle picked up, they are doing pretty well.

I doubt any of us could pass the standards that are expected of these guys who have lived in a world we can't even begin to comprehend the reality of. Many people aren't even kind to each other around here and the guys might as well have targets painted on them.

Eveline 02-19-2017 07:11 PM
Well, now the whole discussion boiled down to the newly 'fact' that smoking has nothing/very little to do with damaging the voice? Ah, that must be some sort of contradictory to other scientific findings ;]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/23...cords-smoking/

Captmorgs 02-19-2017 07:16 PM
Is this still the thread for discussion of the Nashville show? [emoji1]


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Becky 02-19-2017 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1218987)
Is this still the thread for discussion of the Nashville show? [emoji1]


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To that end, Reba tweeted that she was there last night. Her view was lousy. Celebrity spotted! Everyone can start drinking early today by continuing to drink from last night. 😀

Captmorgs 02-19-2017 07:26 PM
February 18, 2017 Bridgestone Arena, Nashville
 
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Can anyone make out the first and third audibles? The second and fourth look like Saturday Night and Always.
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Edit: That's a pretty bad copy of the image. On Twitter, you can tell the last one is Always.
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JackieBlue 02-19-2017 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1218985)
Well, now the whole discussion boiled down to the newly 'fact' that smoking has nothing/very little to do with damaging the voice? Ah, that must be some sort of contradictory to other scientific findings ;]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/23...cords-smoking/

Read what I said again, luv.

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Regardless, if it is a pulmonary condition, neither smoking nor misuse of his voice would necessarily have much to do with it.
I didn't say that smoking had little or nothing to do with damaging a voice. I said that if some other issue is the primary cause of his breathing issues, smoking may have little to do with that.

It's a given that, generally speaking, smoking is an unhealthy habit and can contribute to all sorts of problems. It's also true that everyone is probably healthier if they don't smoke than if they do. But smoking is not the only thing that factors in and in some cases it's not even the primary cause of breathing or vocal issues.

Otherwise, people who never smoked would never have such issues and that simply is not the case.

Eveline 02-19-2017 07:46 PM
Nah, I know it's not the only and the most important factor but it does affect the voice badly and knowing that a lot of singing musicians smoke never ceases to surprise me.

And to go back to the topic: I wonder if/when BJ will play LWTG at last.

DestinationJovi 02-19-2017 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1218979)
Has Jon ever admitted to smoking a lot? I only ever saw him smoke in promo shots. Never in interviews or backstage footage. He's a sensible guy. I can't imagine that he smoked a excessively.

I think his voice problems stem from something else we don't know just yet.
Jon was a pretty heavy smoker. Not as heavy as Tico, but there are plenty of photos and videos of him smoking.

Just to name a couple... He smoked a few times throughout the WWWB doc. He was also smoking outside his trailer on the set of New Year's Eve. There's video of someone semi interviewing him.

Smoking definitely has an impact on one's voice. There may be something else going on there, but smoking for years did not help.

DestinationJovi 02-19-2017 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1218989)
Can anyone make out the first and third audibles? The second and fourth look like Saturday Night and Always.
Attachment 1533

Edit: That's a pretty bad copy of the image. On Twitter, you can tell the last one is Always.
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The third is RYH.

Becky 02-19-2017 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1218992)
And to go back to the topic: I wonder if/when BJ will play LWTG at last.
I will be surprised it does,TBH. If you've declared you're not living with the ghost, why would you sing the song every night and relive the feelings? Other than catharsis? Does he need that? We'll see.

steel_horse75 02-19-2017 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Eveline (Post 1218960)
As far as I know, Richie smokes too and yet, he can still sing.


Yeah but he's an alcoholic so he's shit live

steel_horse75 02-19-2017 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gabriele (Post 1218966)
Two days ago you said that Jon was in a good shape
Two days ago i said that Jon was ill
Now you say that Jon isn't as fit as he looks


You are twat.

Eveline 02-19-2017 09:00 PM
Yeah, we'll see. Perhaps it's not the best song emotionally at this stage but I'd like it to happen, though.

steel_horse75 02-19-2017 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1218952)
I don't get the whole obsession of Jon not running around... Not every artist runs around and they still put on great shows... The Beatles were like statues and they were amazing....


Agree.....

hackster73 02-19-2017 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1218989)
Can anyone make out the first and third audibles? The second and fourth look like Saturday Night and Always.
Attachment 1533

Edit: That's a pretty bad copy of the image. On Twitter, you can tell the last one is Always.
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Saturday night
Raise your hands
Always

TheOriginalJez 02-19-2017 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1218947)
His age shouldn't be a huge factor. He's a fit 55.
This. Axl Rose, 55, is a bloated sweaty pig of a mess who never could sing that well and yet he still spends the show running around giving it some. Slash, 51, has technically died, has a shit tonne of health problems thanks to his drug abuse and yet... yep all over the stage.

As has been said it's just such a sharp decline for Jon. I actually don't think the crowded stage helps either - makes it more difficult for anyone to get a good run on.

Walleris 02-19-2017 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by theoriginaljez (Post 1219002)
this. Axl rose, 55, is a bloated sweaty pig of a mess who never could sing that well and yet he still spends the show running around giving it some. Slash, 51, has technically died, has a shit tonne of health problems thanks to his drug abuse and yet... Yep all over the stage.

As has been said it's just such a sharp decline for jon. I actually don't think the crowded stage helps either - makes it more difficult for anyone to get a good run on.
oh come on it's not 1989 anymore stop living in the past you can't judge a concert from a youtube clip those who go to shows love it and that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so!!!

also nobody goes to bon jovi show for jon's voice that's a fact!!!

liljovi93 02-19-2017 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1219003)
oh come on it's not 1989 anymore stop living in the past you can't judge a concert from a youtube clip those who go to shows love it and that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so!!!

also nobody goes to bon jovi show for jon's voice that's a fact!!!
You can judge on the videos that JBJ doesn't move, though. Apart from the KTF outro, I've barely seen him move on ANY video.

I get that this isn't the 80's/90's or even 00's but as someone said earlier in this thread, Hyde Park 2011 seems like it was years ago. 6 years and the whole band has changed and the lead singer is completely ****ed. It's as simple as that.

I disagree with people saying he has no heart or passion. I personally think he has it now more than he has in years and years but is that enough? You could have the most passion in any job but if you aren't capable of doing it anymore then you move on.

I'm in love with This House Is Not For Sale and a day hasn't gone by since release date when I haven't listened to a song or two from it. I absolutely loved the Palladium show. So I don't know whether it's best to play 'them' type of shows. Ones that you now expect JBJ to be at his mic.

Maybe we are just being OTT. People who go the show enjoy it. I thought Palladium show on CD sounded quite shit but I loved it when I was there so maybe we are...

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Eveline 02-19-2017 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1219003)
also nobody goes to bon jovi show for jon's voice that's a fact!!!
that's one keen observation ;]

ticos_stick 02-19-2017 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1219003)
oh come on it's not 1989 anymore stop living in the past you can't judge a concert from a youtube clip those who go to shows love it and that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so!!!

also nobody goes to bon jovi show for jon's voice that's a fact!!!
Exactly! As long as I can go to a show, get a hot dog and a cold beer and watch the lights and hear the loud sounds then I'm a happy man!

Since when has music been about singing anyway?

Also it's been scientifically proven that YouTube makes vocals sound 85% worse than if you're actually at the show.

hackster73 02-19-2017 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219001)
Saturday night
Raise your hands
Always
The first audible is the word audibles

hackster73 02-19-2017 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOriginalJez (Post 1219002)
This. Axl Rose, 55, is a bloated sweaty pig of a mess who never could sing that well and yet he still spends the show running around giving it some. Slash, 51, has technically died, has a shit tonne of health problems thanks to his drug abuse and yet... yep all over the stage.

As has been said it's just such a sharp decline for Jon. I actually don't think the crowded stage helps either - makes it more difficult for anyone to get a good run on.
The best thing about guns n roses is reliving those songs. The fact they have had so little output means a set list pretty close to when I saw them at Wembley in 1991. For me Axl sounds better than Jon on the audience recorded stuff I have heard. Being there again this summer and seeing Axl and Slash is not something I expected to see again. Excited? Yes I bloody am.

On the same note if Richie rejoined Bon Jovi for Europe next year I would get tickets without doubt. Are they past it? Yes but seeing them both on the same stage again...

hackster73 02-19-2017 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1219003)
oh come on it's not 1989 anymore stop living in the past you can't judge a concert from a youtube clip those who go to shows love it and that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so!!!

also nobody goes to bon jovi show for jon's voice that's a fact!!!
You weren't born back then! Nobody wants to go back in time but the fact is the set list is based on what he can sing to a degree. When he does try a song that is more challenging is sounds dreadful. It's sad but the band are well past their prime.

Walleris 02-19-2017 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1219006)
Exactly! As long as I can go to a show, get a hot dog and a cold beer and watch the lights and hear the loud sounds then I'm a happy man!

Since when has music been about singing anyway?

Also it's been scientifically proven that YouTube makes vocals sound 85% worse than if you're actually at the show.
Exactly!!! Spoken truly like the world's most knowledgeable Bon Jovi fan!!!

JackieBlue 02-19-2017 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219008)
...

On the same note if Richie rejoined Bon Jovi for Europe next year I would get tickets without doubt. Are they past it? Yes but seeing them both on the same stage again...
Quite frankly, if "Richie rejoined Bon Jovi" it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the stuff that's bothering ppl went away.
They're just better together.

DryCounty 02-19-2017 11:10 PM
My sister who lives in St Louis are heading for tonights show and she asked me if she would be allowed to bring her SLR camera for the show? Anyone with experience from US shows that knows what the rules are??

Kathleen 02-19-2017 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1219017)
My sister who lives in St Louis are heading for tonights show and she asked me if she would be allowed to bring her SLR camera for the show? Anyone with experience from US shows that knows what the rules are??
It used to be no cameras with interchangable lenses. The point and shoot digital cameras have been fine for a while.

Captmorgs 02-19-2017 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219007)
The first audible is the word audibles


Makes sense. Thanks!


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steel_horse75 02-20-2017 12:03 AM
February 18, 2017 Bridgestone Arena, Nashville
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOriginalJez (Post 1219002)
This. Axl Rose, 55, is a bloated sweaty pig of a mess who never could sing that well and yet he still spends the show running around giving it some. Slash, 51, has technically died, has a shit tonne of health problems thanks to his drug abuse and yet... yep all over the stage.



As has been said it's just such a sharp decline for Jon. I actually don't think the crowded stage helps either - makes it more difficult for anyone to get a good run on.


How many tours GNR done since 1993?

Bill23 02-20-2017 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1219020)
How many tours GNR done since 1993?
1994-2001- zero. 2001-2009- a few. 2011- now-pretty much non stop. And Axl did a dozen gigs with AC/DC. He actually looks decent/not as bloated as a few years ago.

gabriele 02-20-2017 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1218997)
You are twat.
Your Facebook profile is very funny.

gabriele 02-20-2017 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1219020)
How many tours GNR done since 1993?
Clever... :)


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