Did Jon not move a lot and impress on night 1 of the tour? Perhaps night 2 as well. At least you are getting to see them in concert. Zero chance of them coming to Northern Ireland.

well, I certainly can NOT imagine Jon behaving like this today :lol:

and man, Jon must have been one sexually confusing for both sexes back in the day with all his dance moves and stuff ;D

According to Reba, "It was a great concert."

Yeah I forgot that Axl blew his knee out onstage and had multiple surgeries...

Not sure if there is sarcasm in here or a knock at Americans but this sums it PERFECTLY!!!!! Just how Rock and Roll doesn't need to be perfect!!!!

I was at the show! I loved it even Work For The Working Man. Had seniors (older than me) in my row on the floor so they sat the majority of the show but were smiling and singing for the most part. It was very loud from the crowd so not even going to begin to comment on vocals but loved the energy and fun that Phil and Everett brought. I had a ton of fun and am glad I have more shows ahead. Set lists may be static, Jon's voice not as good but damn it I still have the excitement I have had every tour since 1985.


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So glad you enjoyed your show!! :D

Not the knee but ankle and foot yes. And as recently as last year. Yeah he moved like a madman for both AC/DC and GNR.

And singing like it was 1985 again.

No, please do so... you want to say his struggles aren't as noticeable being there live in person...

That's true. I for one couldn't hone in on imperfections due to the roar of the instruments and crowd around me.


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Let me just clarify something... I think people are saying that I'm preaching that Jon's voice is better than it is in person verses You Tube... and that's NOT what I'm saying... I'm just saying that his struggles aren't as noticeable when you are there in person due to certain factors... It's a just a general observation that I think most who actually attend shows would agree with...

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Although I agree with everyone about Scars being a total snooze fest, it really is the perfect Nashville song (And Southern US States)...

That's true. I also notice that his voice is lower in the mix this year. If you add the noise, the energy, the acoustics of the room, you can easily not notice how bad or not is his voice. ;)

I like Scars but could see how it wouldn't go down well, especially in a block of 4 or 5 new songs.

It's been mentioned elsewhere, but he needs to sell it a bit more. This would have been perfect on The Circle walkway, the new songs need a USP to get people into them.

These past few shows have the noise and energy of a morgue. Unless you're drunk or high there's no way Jon doesn't sound bad.

Yes. He sounds bad. But you are in a concert where there is noise from the people around who is singing like karaoke, Jon's voice is low in the mix, they have 4 backing vocalists and you watch a show with moving lights, moving platforms, moving guitarists (Phil X), moving percussionists (Everett) and some big screens. Also, when they play Bad Medicine or other hits, you jump around and sing along. You say 'f@ck it that's bad medicine baby OOOOH shake it up just like etc etc'.

He does sound bad. But you can't notice it because of the above. This is a big difference I personally experienced. I was having great (sober and not high) fun at the concert. When I get home, I opened youtube and was like WTF is this from tonight? Of course in youtube you are not jumping around and have a more careful listen, maybe the source is better than your ears had in the side of the stage where you were seated etc.

Let me quote something form the other thread

Using the argument that YouTube videos make Jon sound worse than he really is doesn't add up at all. When he sings well it comes across in the videos well. When he sings bad it comes across bad.

There are so many old videos on YouTube where Jon has fantastic vocals. If you tube makes him sound worse then he wouldn't sound as great on them unless they have all been mixed and auto tuned.

Jon has lost all power in his voice for whatever reason and it sucks for all of us who love Jovi. YouTube isn't to blame for making him sound bad :(

It doesn't make him sound worse... that's not the argument... YouTube is how he sounds... The argument is, it's not as noticeable when you are there live because of multiple factors...

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While I agree that the factors mentioned can mask some of the flaws, you can't not notice it by now. You gotta be deaf in order not to hear that he has no voice left, even if you're there in person. When I saw them in Germany 2013 his vocal flaws were already noticeable and there he still was far above the level he has now. I had a great time and I'm not saying that people nowadays at concerts shouldn't, but even back then it was hard not to notice that he already had a hard time singing What The Water Made Me.

What I find funny is that I've read on multiple YT videos from the SWW tour that people had attended the gigs and were surprised as to how hoarse he had sounded. Given the energy level and showmanship they had back in the 80's, it was still obvious to fans, so I doubt that attendees don't notice it nowadays. Maybe we don't read much about it because they are the ones actually listening to the band and not surfing on social media raving about what a great time they're having :)

Can someone please plain what an audible is?

It's a song that they may or may not play, depending on whether Jon calls it or not. They are prepared for it, but it's not on the standard set for the night.

Just listened to IML from the SBD recording of that show and it's actually not as awful as I thought. At least in comparison to the two most recent shows. I really think that 3 shows in 4 days were just way too much strain on Jon's already more than damaged vocal chords. Why they kept the touring schedule so tight is not understandable to me since he certainly is aware that he needs a little bit of rest between the shows.

Agreed. They have two days off between Vegas and Sacramento and between San Jose and Phoenix and then a week off after LA so hopefully that will help.


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